9-B Animal Tournament (16/16)

[Arceus0x]

Lowk why does it mention grizzly bears at all if they just scale to the protagonists

Old mediocre profiles, people have been working on updaing them but I think at least the Deatchclaws should be good enough since they're pretty simple in essence

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

Bump

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

Bump x2

 

[Friedoil11]

I don't think the gremilings are animals or even animal adjacent they are far too smart, they are more monsters then animals

Btw, if it helps Gremlins are the transformation that Mogwais go after activating their "Berserk Mode", as stated both in Gizmo's and Gremlin's profile.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Btw, if it helps Gremlins are the transformation that Mogwais go after activating their "Berserk Mode", as stated both in Gizmo's and Gremlin's profile.

not really

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

Bump x3
Btw I'll be going to 10 bumps before I let people use two Characters

 

[Friedoil11]

Mat I know if the restaurant's machinery (like lights and stoves) are functioning? And if so, are the lights automatically on?

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

Mat I know if the restaurant's machinery (like lights and stoves) are functioning? And if so, are the lights automatically on?

Yeah

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

Bump x4

 

[Comiphorous]

The Real World carrying the 9-B animal category.

 

[ARandomDude127]

If ONLY 9-B+ were allowed, then I could use best Isle 1 Boss aka Ribby and Croaks

 

[Psychomaster35]

Snaily Snail (2.33460401216 megajoules)

 

[Ninkan12]

Snaily Snail (2.33460401216 megajoules)

48× over the joule cap

 

[Comiphorous]

48× over the joule cap

Only a little off the top, i told my barber.

I was then shot 37 times.

 

[Ninkan12]

Snaily Snail (2.33460401216 megajoules)

Unfortunate cause its a funny af profile

 

[Psychomaster35]

I didn't notice that there was a cap, I only looked at the "No 9-B+" part especially since there is a character here that was submitted that is in the megajoule range. Good thing I have a backup.

NoLegs (124.716 kilojoules)

 

[Ninkan12]

I didn't notice that there was a cap, I only looked at the "No 9-B+" part. Good thing I have a backup.

NoLegs (124.716 kilojoules)

What a funny little guy

 

[Comiphorous]

I didn't notice that there was a cap, I only looked at the "No 9-B+" part especially since there is a character here that was submitted that is in the megajoule range. Good thing I have a backup.

NoLegs (124.716 kilojoules)

What goes on in an old flash game for a cat to be hitting numbers like that

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

I didn't notice that there was a cap, I only looked at the "No 9-B+" part especially since there is a character here that was submitted that is in the megajoule range. Good thing I have a backup.

NoLegs (124.716 kilojoules)

Sure, that works

 

[Ninkan12]

What I find funny is that if we're pairing by characters with a globally optimal pairing algorithm, we get:

Combatant 1	Combatant 2	Difference (J)
Bon the Rabbit (48,756.98 J)	The Wolf (121,765 J)	73,008 J
Giant Praying Mantis (150,527.98 J)	Ancient Sirehound (136,443.09 J)	14,084.89 J
Mr. Bull (129,009 J)	NoLegs (124,716 J)	4,293 J
Bonnie (394,773.55 J)	Eephant x5 (670,000 J)	275,226.45 J
Skavenslaves x25 (1,895,462.69 J)	Baboon hawk x8 (768,350 J)	1,127,112.69 J
Jeff the Land Shark (233,415.798 J)	White Spikes (279,685.934 J)	46,270.136 J
Coral Shoggoth (217,290 J)	Deathclaws x2 (217,000 J)	290 J

I think its hilarious that the Giant Mantis could go up against the tiny Sirehound

 

[Arceus0x]

might have to update the Deathclaw a bit since it has no radiation resistance despite being able to survive in Courier's road

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I didn't notice that there was a cap, I only looked at the "No 9-B+" part especially since there is a character here that was submitted that is in the megajoule range. Good thing I have a backup.

NoLegs (124.716 kilojoules)

Wneed to remove the battle aganst Puffball from his profile

 

[ARandomDude127]

Bonnie (394,773.55 J)	Eephant x5 (670,000 J)	275,226.45 J

“Bonnie vs 5 Elephants”

Horrific ahh hypothetical

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

What I find funny is that if we're pairing by characters with a globally optimal pairing algorithm, we get:

Combatant 1	Combatant 2	Difference (J)
Bon the Rabbit (48,756.98 J)	The Wolf (121,765 J)	73,008 J
Giant Praying Mantis (150,527.98 J)	Ancient Sirehound (136,443.09 J)	14,084.89 J
Mr. Bull (129,009 J)	NoLegs (124,716 J)	4,293 J
Bonnie (394,773.55 J)	Eephant x5 (670,000 J)	275,226.45 J
Skavenslaves x25 (1,895,462.69 J)	Baboon hawk x8 (768,350 J)	1,127,112.69 J
Jeff the Land Shark (233,415.798 J)	White Spikes (279,685.934 J)	46,270.136 J
Coral Shoggoth (217,290 J)	Deathclaws x2 (217,000 J)	290 J

I think its hilarious that the Giant Mantis could go up against the tiny Sirehound

Bonnie locking in to fight 5 Eephants:

 

[Arceus0x]

Fighters
1 Bon the Rabbit (@Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh) (48756.978 joules)
2 Giant Praying Mantis (@Oiguana2701) (150527.9832958 Joules and 6314.5435411 kgs)
3 Mr. Bull (@Ninkan12) (129,009 J & 119,686.808466 N)
4 Bonnie (@ARandomDude127) (394773.549 Joules in AP & 17.23 Metric Tons)
5 Skavenslaves x25 (@DaReaperMan) (1895462.68588 Joules)
6 Eephant x5 (@JustANormalLemon) (670,000 joules)
7 Jeff the Land Shark (Symbiote) (@IDK3465) (233.415798 KJ)
8 The Wolf (@MannyQ361) (121,765 joules)
9 Baboon hawk x8 (@Comiphorous) (768,350 joules)
10 Coral Shoggoth (@Tllmbrg) (217.29 kJ)
11 Ancient Sirehound (@Lou_change) (136443.0874 joules and upscales from 27 pounds)
12 White Spikes (1 Male, 1 Female) (@Friedoil11) (Joules & 14091.319666 kg)279685.934297
13 Deathclaws x2 (@Arceus0x ) (217 kilojoules & 2 tons)
14 NoLegs (@Psychomaster35) (124.716 kilojoules)

So uh, isn't the AP limit around 400kj? Why are there characters with 700 kj and 1.8 mj? Are they just listed together as a collective AP?

 

[Ninkan12]

So uh, isn't the AP limit around 400kj? Why are there characters with 700 kj and 1.8 mj? Are they just listed together as a collective AP?

Collective

 

[Ninkan12]

So uh, isn't the AP limit around 400kj? Why are there characters with 700 kj and 1.8 mj? Are they just listed together as a collective AP?

But obviously its not that simple because 1000 1 joule attacks doesn't equal a 1000 joule attack

 

[Arceus0x]

Collective

But obviously its not that simple because 1000 1 joule attacks doesn't equal a 1000 joule attack

It's just weird cause then deathclaws would be 435kj together

(maybe I should add another Deathclaw)

 

[Friedoil11]

It's just weird cause then deathclaws would be 435kj together

(maybe I should add another Deathclaw)

So now we are counting the combatants AP as a whole (for example, I have two combatants with 1000 Joules each and since they are two I should say 2000 Joules)?

 

[Ninkan12]

I could attempt to run a Square Law algorithm on it to see if anyone is still overpowered but i'd have to read up on it

 

[Ninkan12]

From what I can gather:

Based on Lanchester’s square law, where a group’s effectiveness scales with the square of its numbers.

To adjust for that, if a square root is introduced into the calculation to effectively reverse the advantage that comes purely from having more members. Then an estimate for a group’s true per-unit AP level rather than just its raw size-based strength.

In practice, this means taking the AP, dividing it by the size of the group, and then applying a square root to smooth the result. This way, the metric reduces the distortion caused by numbers and gives a clearer signal of underlying effectiveness.

Does this seem like something worth running?

 

[DaReaperMan]

From what I can gather:

Based on Lanchester’s square law, where a group’s effectiveness scales with the square of its numbers.

To adjust for that, if a square root is introduced into the calculation to effectively reverse the advantage that comes purely from having more members. Then an estimate for a group’s true per-unit AP level rather than just its raw size-based strength.

In practice, this means taking the AP, dividing it by the size of the group, and then applying a square root to smooth the result. This way, the metric reduces the distortion caused by numbers and gives a clearer signal of underlying effectiveness.

Does this seem like something worth running?

Not for Skavenslaves, you'd be multiplying their weapon AP, since it's per weapon lol

 

[Ninkan12]

Not for Skavenslaves, you'd be multiplying their weapon AP, since it's per weapon lol

The point is to assess the AP threat of an individual and the group, more just to see whether there's any huge outliers that should be addressed regarding the groups. I've actually ran it and spoiler alert the Skavens aren't the outlier.

 

[Ninkan12]

The point is to assess the AP threat of an individual and the group, more just to see whether there's any huge outliers that should be addressed regarding the groups. I've actually ran it and spoiler alert the Skavens aren't the outlier.

actually spoiler alert there aren't any outliers, but it gives a better understanding on who is on par with who even including the groups

 

[Ninkan12]

	Name	AP	Group Size	Individual AP	Lanchester Threat Level
1	Bonnie	394,773.55	1	394,773.55	394,773.55
2	Skavenslaves x25	1,895,462.69	25	75,818.51	379,092.54
3	Elephant x5	670,000.00	5	134,000.00	299,633.11
4	Baboon hawk x8	768,350.00	8	96,043.75	271,652.75
5	Jeff the Land Shark	233,415.80	1	233,415.80	233,415.80
6	Coral Shoggoth	217,290.00	1	217,290.00	217,290.00
7	White Spikes	279,685.93	2	139,842.97	197,767.77
8	Deathclaws x2	217,000.00	2	108,500.00	153,442.17
9	Giant Praying Mantis	150,527.98	1	150,527.98	150,527.98
10	Ancient Sirehound	136,443.09	1	136,443.09	136,443.09
11	Mr. Bull	129,009.00	1	129,009.00	129,009.00
12	NoLegs	124,716.00	1	124,716.00	124,716.00
13	The Wolf	121,765.00	1	121,765.00	121,765.00
14	Bon the Rabbit	48,756.98	1	48,756.98	48,756.98

Mathmatically Bonnie is the strongest lol

 

[Arceus0x]

	Name	AP	Group Size	Individual AP	Lanchester Threat Level
1	Bonnie	394,773.55	1	394,773.55	394,773.55
2	Skavenslaves x25	1,895,462.69	25	75,818.51	379,092.54
3	Elephant x5	670,000.00	5	134,000.00	299,633.11
4	Baboon hawk x8	768,350.00	8	96,043.75	271,652.75
5	Jeff the Land Shark	233,415.80	1	233,415.80	233,415.80
6	Coral Shoggoth	217,290.00	1	217,290.00	217,290.00
7	White Spikes	279,685.93	2	139,842.97	197,767.77
8	Deathclaws x2	217,000.00	2	108,500.00	153,442.17
9	Giant Praying Mantis	150,527.98	1	150,527.98	150,527.98
10	Ancient Sirehound	136,443.09	1	136,443.09	136,443.09
11	Mr. Bull	129,009.00	1	129,009.00	129,009.00
12	NoLegs	124,716.00	1	124,716.00	124,716.00
13	The Wolf	121,765.00	1	121,765.00	121,765.00
14	Bon the Rabbit	48,756.98	1	48,756.98	48,756.98

Mathmatically Bonnie is the strongest lol

again, Deathclaws scale to 217k individually, the list is just ass

 

[Ninkan12]

again, Deathclaws scale to 217k individually, the list is just ass

Sorry I missed it, they're 3rd place then. Its just a mathematical interpretation that ignores nuance to see if anything stomps through numbers, and to attempt to gauge exactly how much of a threat say, two 217k fighters are

 

[DaReaperMan]

The point is to assess the AP threat of an individual and the group, more just to see whether there's any huge outliers that should be addressed regarding the groups. I've actually ran it and spoiler alert the Skavens aren't the outlier.

No, as in EACH SKAVENSLAVE HAS 1.8 MEGAJOULE WEAPONS

 

[Ninkan12]

Oh
I misinterpreted
How come the original list has some totalled and some individualised?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh
I misinterpreted
How come the original list has some totalled and some individualised?

...all of them are per individual. Except for Deathclaws.