Removing HGR from Cyrene and changing it to low godly

[Zanesucksatlife]

As this CRT suggests,
HGR should be downgraded to low godly
We know for HGR High-Godly: The ability to regenerate after the erasure of body, mind, soul, and at least one other fundamental aspect of a character's existence. Such an aspect could be their place in the narrative, their history, their information (Type 2), their concept, or something else along those lines. For any aspect to qualify, destruction of that aspect must cause erasure of the character in some form, and evidence must exist that the character cannot exist without that fundamental aspect existing as well. In addition, it must not be something that regenerating the body, mind, or soul would ordinarily restore. As such, take care when evaluating Type 3 concepts, and aspects that are not sufficiently expanded upon to make a judgment will not qualify.



But what we're seeing here isn't the case.
And : This for the 3rd justification kills HGR..
I think HGR should be downgraded to low godly .


Agree: SuperNova55555 Hecky2222
Mr. East Statement Mbpoops ItsMeat FriendOfTheTeaParty Natsuki012 Apotheosis69 AyOgUys Planck69 ActuallySpaceMan42 Vietthai96
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[AyOgUyS]

following

 

[SuperNova55555]

Ok, so the minds were never erased, which is the requirement for Mid-Godly. And since Mind/Soul = Information in Honkai… likely speaking the “full information” of the people was never erased either.

So uh, I agree.

 

[Hecky2222]

Ok, so the minds were never erased, which is the requirement for Mid-Godly. And since Mind/Soul = Information in Honkai… likely speaking the “full information” of the people was never erased either.

So uh, I agree.

^ Agreeing cuz Lotm doesn't have HGR

 

[Planck69]

Makes sense. Agree.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Makes sense. Agree.

can you explain why? especially when there's literally NO justifications.

i dont even understand what this thread is arguing.

is this thread arguing that information reconstruction can't be high godly? why? information is the substrate of existence. she was re-instantiated from the same existential information she already is. this is quite literally self-regen. memory and information are causally active, shape reality and can recohere into a single being. since souls/minds are data then regen does not require biological self-repair.

 

[SuperNova55555]

can you explain why? especially when there's literally NO justifications.

i dont even understand what this thread is arguing.

is this thread arguing that information reconstruction can't be high godly? why? information is the substrate of existence. she was re-instantiated from the same existential information she already is. this is quite literally self-regen. memory and information are causally active, shape reality and can recohere into a single being. since souls/minds are data then regen does not require biological self-repair.

Noone's mind was ever destroyed, which is a requirement for the hax. Cyrene restored everything before that was allowed to actually happen. As for IM2, it likely only involves the physical information at this stage and not the fundamental information of the mind/soul.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Noone's mind was ever destroyed, which is a requirement for the hax. As for IM2, it likely only involves the physical information at this stage and not the fundamental information of the mind/soul.

The claim that only “physical information” is affected literally ignores the dialogue explicitly stating that the “memories” are the consciousnesses of the victims themselves and not separate physical residues. Cyrene is directly interacting with these consciousness-memories and recreting them (remembering them) which only makes sense if consciousness already exists as manipulable informational structure within the destruction event

 

[Planck69]

can you explain why? especially when there's literally NO justifications.

i dont even understand what this thread is arguing.

is this thread arguing that information reconstruction can't be high godly? why? information is the substrate of existence. she was re-instantiated from the same existential information she already is. this is quite literally self-regen. memory and information are causally active, shape reality and can recohere into a single being. since souls/minds are data then regen does not require biological self-repair.

Going by what was posted, her mind still exists, which automatically disqualifies her from High-Godly. And since her mind, soul and information are one and the same, it can't be Mid-Godly either.

 

[Mr._East_Statement]

I agree with the thread, it is pretty clear it cannot be HGR

can you explain why? especially when there's literally NO justifications.

i dont even understand what this thread is arguing.

is this thread arguing that information reconstruction can't be high godly? why? information is the substrate of existence. she was re-instantiated from the same existential information she already is. this is quite literally self-regen. memory and information are causally active, shape reality and can recohere into a single being. since souls/minds are data then regen does not require biological self-repair.

It's not about Information not being a metaphysical aspect, but it is the character being able to regenerate from complete destruction of it. For example, it would be High Godly only if it was stated that the information itself is completely erased into nothingness, and then it regenerated anyway despite there be no information (nothing to restore from).

However, the case here is that when the universe was destroyed, Cyrene used remembrance to restore it, the stored "information" to say, it cannot be High Godly, it cannot be Mid Godly either since it requires Mind/Soul destruction, and since soul/mind in HoYo is basically information… yeah, it cannot be anything other than Low Godly.

 

[SuperNova55555]

The claim that only “physical information” is affected literally ignores the dialogue explicitly stating that the “memories” are the consciousnesses of the victims themselves and not separate physical residues. Cyrene is directly interacting with these consciousness-memories and recreting them (remembering them) which only makes sense if consciousness already exists as manipulable informational structure within the destruction event

What are you even talking about? Elaborate more

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

I agree with the thread, it is pretty clear it cannot be HGR



It's not about Information not being a metaphysical aspect, but it is the character being able to regenerate from complete destruction of it. For example, it would be High Godly only if it was stated that the information itself is completely erased into nothingness, and then it regenerated anyway despite there be no information (nothing to restore from).

However, the case here is that when the universe was destroyed, Cyrene used remembrance to restore it, the stored "information" to say, it cannot be High Godly, it cannot be Mid Godly either since it requires Mind/Soul destruction, and since soul/mind in HoYo is basically information… yeah, it cannot be anything other than Low Godly.

Are you assuming that nothing can ever be truly gone unless its Remembrance is gone as well?

The stored information happened through and within her own memory. Besides, Remembrance has never before been shown to be able to "put someone back together" through scattered residual fragments. Cyrene managed to do that by going into the Fuli state and reconstructing herself along with the universe acausally.

Tbh this thread was made cuz Aeons lost their high godly regen and it doesn't make sense for Cyrene to have it alone. Except, the arguments here are literally nothing. Like there's no arguments. You posted 1 video and that's it...?

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Going by what was posted, her mind still exists, which automatically disqualifies her from High-Godly. And since her mind, soul and information are one and the same, it can't be Mid-Godly either.

Her mind exists because she recreated it by remembering herself by acausally becoming the Fuli (god of memories) of the Past.

Try to remember all of cosmic life together with Cyrene​

You entered An Eternal Page. Everything was frozen in the most beautiful moment. This garden was Cyrene's "memory"...

"you/i were/weren't once progeny of deities cast/fallen to the mortal realm for blessings/sins the verses written/erased by your/my hands were/shall be your/my remembrance/oblivion in the Eden of blessed insight."

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

This is quite literally what the Eden of Blessed Insight is. A place where she recreated herself and remembered the world.

"you were once progeny of deities cast to the mortal realm for blessings[,] the verses written by your hands were your remembrance in the eden of blessed insight."

(Trailblazer): Everything's frozen in the most beautiful moment. This garden is your "memory"...

Herta: "I finally get it now. The 'Instants' Droidhead calculated aren't about the Destruction..."
Herta: "What THEY want to prove is how the cosmos would 'come back after being destroyed.'"

 

[SuperNova55555]

Her mind exists because she recreated it by remembering herself by acausally becoming the Fuli (god of memories) of the Past.

This is quite literally what the Eden of Blessed Insight is. A place where she recreated herself and remembered the world.

The mind and memories are prior to the past. The past exists because beings remember it, thus the minds need to exist for her in order to re-create everything. Because, after all, you can't remember something without a mind. The Cyrene of the past is the memory of the one in the future, whose mind still exists. So do the the minds of everyone else (explicitly so, as shown above), since their memories are what are used to re-create the world. In any case, I wonder if this would even qualify as regen/resurrection regardless lmao.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

The mind and memories are prior to the past. The past exists because beings remember it, thus the minds need to exist for her in order to re-create everything. Because, after all, you can't remember something without a mind. The Cyrene of the past is the memory of the one in the future, whose mind still exists. So do the the minds of everyone else (explicitly so, as shown above), since their memories are what are used to re-create the world. In any case, I wonder if this would even qualify as regen/resurrection regardless lmao.

Idk what you define as "the past". It exists because it's information.

??? Memories exist without minds being required to remember them. Especially when Remembrance is explicitly stated to be acausal.

Besides, the text shows consciousnesses existing as “memories” post-nuke meaning that Cyrene is interacting with residual ontological information and doesn't require intact pre-existing minds to reconstruct reality at all?

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Unless you mean it required her own mind. Which is also wrong because she already existed as Fuli up until that point.

 

[Mbpoops]

Ok bro the 3000 year shit is getting old ill read ina bit

 

[Mbpoops]

But before i read i just wanna say; we can literally hear herta and her scientist’s cognitions which leads mento believe their souls werent destroyed. According to the current info 2 justification the soul includes the mind so their minds were also intact the only thing lost was the body which has nothing to do with hoyoverse’s info2 and so therefore this should just be low godly at most

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

But before i read i just wanna say; we can literally hear herta and her scientist’s cognitions which leads mento believe their souls were destroyed. According to the current info 2 justification the soul includes the mind so their minds were also intact the only thing lost was the body which has nothing to do with hoyoverse’s info2 and so therefore this should just be low godly at most

This part happened before the actual self-coronation.

A powerful pulse emerged at the center of the battlefield, and Irontomb was about to complete its Self-Coronation. Herta connected the Audience System to the Scepter and initiated overclocking the hardware.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Idk what you define as "the past". It exists because it's information.

The past is the act of being remembering it. This isn't metaphorical at all. It's literally what happens.

Thoughts equals existence. Thus, memory is the evidence of existence.
The Aeon that presides over the Path of Remembrance records all that has been forgotten and prepares for the rebirth of the universe.

Herta:That is why there is a concept in biology called "lignification." Soft sprigs form a hardened shell and fuse with the trunk.
Herta: For the universe, that process is what we call "memory."
Herta: Under Fuli's record-keeping, the "past" becomes "memory." In the corners THEY forget, even the events of the "present" become fruit without roots.
Cyrene: So it is the opposite of the Erudition... One calculates what is to come, and the other holds on to what came before.

Remembrance or memory is literally the act of the past being preserved inside of the Imaginary Tree's trunk.

??? Memories exist without minds being required to remember them. Especially when Remembrance is explicitly stated to be acausal.

Huh? Do you even know how her acausality works?

Let's say, I, Nova, have a memory of my past 5 year old self. Under Remembrance, that "past self" that I just remembered actually becomes a real existent, and then that memory of mine will grow up to be me in the future, just to remember my 5 year old self once again. This is how the causality loop works; because I only exist because I remember myself in the future, but that future self of mine requires my past self to grow up, which can only happen because the future self remember my past self, so on and so forth.

But what you'll notice is that my mind is the necessary component to making this work. Without it to remember myself, the loop never begins, thusly it necessitates I have it, and thusly it necessitates Cyrene has it. Which she explicitly does.

 

[Mbpoops]

This part happened before the actual self-coronation.

Ah yes because herta’s scientist self coronated with nous.

2-A arlan FRA

 

[Mbpoops]

The past is the act of being remembering it. This isn't metaphorical at all. It's literally what happens.


Remembrance or memory is literally the act of the past being preserved inside of the Imaginary Tree's trunk.


Huh? Do you even know how her acausality works?

Let's say, I, Nova, have a memory of my past 5 year old self. Under Remembrance, that "past self" that I just remembered actually becomes a real existent, and then that memory of mine will grow up to be me in the future, just to remember my 5 year old self once again. This is how the causality loop works; because I only exist because I remember myself in the future, but that future self of mine requires my past self to grow up, which can only happen because the future self remember my past self, so on and so forth.

But what you'll notice is that my mind is the necessary component to making this work. Without it to remember myself, the loop never begins, thusly it necessitates I have it, and thusly it necessitates Cyrene has it. Which she explicitly does.

Btw this is literally explained on THEIR page nigh word for word and ive sent it multiple times on the acheron acausality thread so this is just even more proof you arent taking the time to understand our arguments. You might be mythus’s real emanator.. even stronger than myself

 

[SuperNova55555]

Btw this is literally explained on THEIR page nigh word for word

I know. I wrote that.

 

[Mbpoops]

I know. I wrote that.

Sorry pooks that was for nighting

 

[Mbpoops]

That is to say i agree with this crt, unless the opposition is genuienly arguing herta scientists can self coronate with Nous.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

The past is the act of being remembering it. This isn't metaphorical at all. It's literally what happens.
Remembrance or memory is literally the act of the past being preserved inside of the Imaginary Tree's trunk.

This doesn't mean that things only exist because they are currently being remembered. What you are saying creates some weird dependency loop that isn't mentioned or implied anywhere.

Fuli exists in the present as a result of a decision that a future being will make in the past. Because THEIR entire point is to be the convergence point of all the infinite possibilities that shape the universe, past present and future, so as to preserve a memory of all the infinite decisions that were made, are made and will be made in the face of those infinite possibilities.

The point is, that Cyrene as the Fuli of the past, reconstructed herself and the universe by recreating a mini Eden.

You have created some made-up cosmology of the observer effect in your mind by larping philosophical ideas and putting rules into this verse and get mad when it doesn't work that way...

Ah yes because herta’s scientist self coronated with nous.

I can't tell if you're constantly ragebaiting or you're just larping Skott IQ

 

[Mbpoops]

This doesn't mean that things only exist because they are currently being remembered. What you are saying creates some weird dependency loop that isn't mentioned or implied anywhere.

Fuli exists in the present as a result of a decision that a future being will make in the past. Because THEIR entire point is to be the convergence point of all the infinite possibilities that shape the universe, past present and future, so as to preserve a memory of all the infinite decisions that were made, are made and will be made in the face of those infinite possibilities.

The point is, that Cyrene as the Fuli of the past, reconstructed herself and the universe by recreating a mini Eden.

You have created some made-up cosmology of the observer effect in your mind by larping philosophical ideas and putting rules into this verse and get mad when it doesn't work that way...

I can't tell if you're constantly ragebaiting or you're just larping Skott IQ

@packgod end him.

 

[SuperNova55555]

This doesn't mean that things only exist because they are currently being remembered. What you are saying creates some weird dependency loop that isn't mentioned or implied anywhere.

"Remembrance is causality that transcends time."

Fuli exists in the present as a result of a decision that a future being will make in the past. Because THEIR entire point is to be the convergence point of all the infinite possibilities that shape the universe, past present and future, so as to preserve a memory of all the infinite decisions that were made, are made and will be made in the face of those infinite possibilities.

The point is, that Cyrene as the Fuli of the past, reconstructed herself and the universe by recreating a mini Eden.

Wow. Low-Godly feat.

You have created some made-up cosmology of the observer effect in your mind by larping philosophical ideas and putting rules into this verse and get mad when it doesn't work that way...

No it works perfectly actually. Like even excluding the references to those "philosophical ideas", we have enough proof to, well, prove that it works as such. You're just stubborn cuz it means you can't wank.

 

[Mbpoops]

I can't tell if you're constantly ragebaiting or you're just larping Skott IQ

hopefully this will jog your Remembrance

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

"Remembrance is causality that transcends time."

Yeah I agree. I was the one posting this constantly in tons of these debates.

Issue is, you can't prove Cyrene's mind wasn't destroyed.

Wow. Low-Godly feat.

Sure.

No it works perfectly actually. Like even excluding the references to those "philosophical ideas", we have enough proof to, well, prove that it works as such. You're just stubborn cuz it means you can't wank.

Mind you, you are the one accusing people of "writing fanfics" or "headcanons" or "larping" but when you do it, "it works perfectly" even if it's a theory connected by wooden sticks and some rotten string. Man you're the epitome of hypocrisy no offense. I ain't gonna say it's not true or that it's not a nice theory, but you can't argue feats and justify things using it.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

hopefully this will jog your Remembrance

Bro is posting the video contrary to his point.

Its coronation is nearly complete. All existence within the galaxy has already been formatted by it. However, in the final split second before the universe's destruction, I wake up in a silent void...

A powerful pulse emerged at the center of the battlefield, and Irontomb was about to complete its Self-Coronation. Herta connected the Audience System to the Scepter and initiated overclocking the hardware.

Herta: █ Nous's extrapolation did not stop █ The final battle is still going on █ Quick █ Return to reality █

You still haven't realised that the initial explosion wasn't the one that nuked the cosmos.

 

[Mbpoops]

btw wouldnt this affect irontomb's Info 2 EE since hes not actually destroying the mind or soul?

 

[Mbpoops]

Bro is posting the video contrary to his point.



You still haven't realised that the initial explosion wasn't the one that nuked the cosmos.

look at the timestamps. please tell me you arent being serious.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Issue is, you can't prove Cyrene's mind wasn't destroyed.

Noone's mind was ever destroyed, which is a requirement for the hax. Cyrene restored everything before that was allowed to actually happen. As for IM2, it likely only involves the physical information at this stage and not the fundamental information of the mind/soul.

Yes bro. Everyone lived EXCEPT Cyrene.

Mind you, you are the one accusing people of "writing fanfics" or "headcanons" or "larping" but when you do it, "it works perfectly" even if it's a theory connected by wooden sticks and some rotten string. Man you're the epitome of hypocrisy no offense. I ain't gonna say it's not true or that it's not a nice theory, but you can't argue feats and justify things using it.

 

[Mbpoops]

Nova is always right.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

btw wouldnt this affect irontomb's Info 2 EE since hes not actually destroying the mind or soul?

It should yea. Unless there's a second justification for that

 

[Mbpoops]

Bro is posting the video contrary to his point.



You still haven't realised that the initial explosion wasn't the one that nuked the cosmos.

also... if that isnt the blast that nuked the universe then which one is it????? did irontomb even nuke the universe???? are we seriously going down the route of 3-B irontomb MAX???? is he an asat and zephyro victim?????????

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

I'll say it just this once and gtfo cuz I am bored and I aint wasting an evening fighting w your bum asses

1) We fight IT
2) IT gets angry and

" Composed Space Station Researcher: It's Irontomb's █▄"Destruction" Equation▄█▄It's about to complete "Self-Coronation"! ██▄▀▄▄▄█▄█▄▀▄"

begins the self-coronation progress
3) first nuke drops which does affect the entire universe and beings near the epicenter are insta deleted the rest of the data and cosmos are marked for deletion. herta delays the process and connects us to nous
4) tb and cyrene r deleted too but cyrene preserves us and recreates us
5) we talk to nous
6) the cosmos is almost entirely deleted
7) we escape to path space before it happens
8) we talk in there
9) universe is deleted and "goes silent for a moment"
10) we do stuff in the eden
11) we do more stuff
12) after thirteen heartbeats love and light will create the heavens and earth
13) love and light re-create the earth

Yes bro. Everyone lived EXCEPT Cyrene.

idk why u have these minions r worshipping u its so corny

 

[SuperNova55555]

4) tb and cyrene r deleted too but cyrene preserves us and recreates us

No proof.

9) universe is deleted and "goes silent for a moment"

This happens during 3)

idk why u have these minions r worshipping u its so corny

It’s called aura