Degradation? More like a change in wording (Tensura)

[Eikichi_Sensei]

I never thought I'd start this thread, but it seems some concepts are being misunderstood.

According to this thread, the following happened:

Ressurection (High-Godly), Immortality (Type 2, 4, and 8; Can survive complete physical destruction, and is capable of reincarnating if he somehow dies due to being a Spiritual Lifeform. Can resurrect as long as Veldora exist. Rimuru believed he could be revived from an attack that "killed" Diablo, despite him being able to instantly come back from having his information destroyed. Soul Corridor are implied to be better than Infinite Regeneration that makes him capable of regenerating from complete information erasure. On top of that, Veldora stated that he finally has become "immortal" only after gaining Soul Corridor, although he can come back from concept destruction before)

I don't really have a problem with what was obtained, but with the way it was written.

It suggests that anyone who has a "soul corridor" between them will have this immortality, as in the recent thread that has been created.

They use the description of the "soul corridor" to give the characters this ability that Veldora and Velgrynd simply have with Rimuru.

Bro...
The Regen thing is from soul corridor
That's already accepted as HGR on concept and information lol
Same with type 6, 8, 9.

It is already accepted that soul corridor grants HGR.

Soul corridor is already accepted as HGR in demon slime key

This was the crt that approve hgr for soul corridor. You are welcome

Okay, the skill description will be corrected. Because it seems that Tensura supporters believe that having "Soul Corridor" grants you the skill that was accepted in that thread.

The situation: You don't simply need to be a "Soul Corridor" to gain this ability.

You need two things: a "Soul Corridor" and that character's ability. It sounds strange, but that's how you get the benefits.

The reason it was only included in the "Soul Corridor" section is because of this scan.

Anyone reading this would think the wording is accurate, but the truth is the context has been omitted.

Here is the full context.

He skipped the entire explanation of the "Veldora Ability."

If you look closely, it's not just about being a "Soul Corridor," but also about possessing that person's ability.

Although one could also argue that the "Veldora Ability," with its detailed explanation at the beginning, is responsible for everything.

It also benefits the other party, which is "ability," and it also benefits the caster, who is Rimuru.

Finally, apart from Veldora, we have no case of immortality benefits through "Soul Corridor," the only similar situation being Velgrynd, which also had to become an ability.

After that, there's no mention of Rimuru, Ciel, or anyone else being able to revive through the Soul Corridor.

Rimuru always mentions that he can revive if Veldora is safe.

Why doesn't the story mention that he can do it for any of his subordinates and vice versa?

I plan to change the wording as follows:

Resurrection (High-Godly), Immortality (Types 2, 4, and 8; Can survive complete physical destruction and is capable of reincarnating if he somehow dies due to being a Spiritual Lifeform. Can resurrect as long as Veldora exists through the Ultimate Skill "Veldora, Lord of the Storm", which grants him the same restoration benefits as Veldora. Rimuru believed he could be revived from an attack that "killed" Diablo, despite being able to instantly recover from the destruction of his information. On top of that, Veldora stated that he only became "immortal" after obtaining this restoration mechanism, despite previously being capable of returning from conceptual destruction.)

It was about time for a downgrade

Agree:

Neutral:

Disagree: Astral_Trinity439 (The reason will be revealed later)

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

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I'll give my input later, but yeah I heavily disagree with this
Edit: it'll be sleeping time soon. So I may reply tomorrow instead. Just putting this as a reminder here in case staff come.

 

[Ultimuru]

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Waiting for Astral's input so I can nod and say he is right like a good larper.

 

[Noobish2006]

the thing is we have only ever seen soul corridor from rimuru's perspective

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

the thing is we have only ever seen soul corridor from rimuru's perspective

Is that enough to grant the same benefits to others through "Soul Corridor"?

We need a statement from at least one of his subordinates, not from Veldora, who I've already shown is not just "Soul Corridor."

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Agree for now.

 

[Mizuki67]

You really can be annoying sometimes you know ?

The logic here is that the soul corridor is what made resurrection possible im the first place so i disagree with this

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

You really can be annoying sometimes you know ?

The logic here is that the soul corridor is what made resurrection possible im the first place so i disagree with this

First, the scans never mention a "soul corridor" for Rimuru to revive.

Second, by that logic, you'd be granting this ability to any character with HGR through a Soul Corridor.

Do you understand that logic?

Give me a scan where Rimuru's subordinates are mentioned as being resurrected through it, or vice versa, and not a statement from Veldora that it's a benefit of two things, as the OP says.

If you give it to me, I'll admit my mistake and close the thread.

 

[Mizuki67]

First, the scans never mention a "soul corridor" for Rimuru to revive.

Second, by that logic, you'd be granting this ability to any character with HGR through a Soul Corridor.

Do you understand that logic?

Give me a scan where Rimuru's subordinates are mentioned as being resurrected through it, or vice versa, and not a statement from Veldora that it's a benefit of two things, as the OP says.

If you give it to me, I'll admit my mistake and close the thread.

Go search where there is a skill called resurrection through veldora smart guy

https://tensura.fandom.com/wiki/Rimuru_Tempest/Abilities_%26_gear

The logic here is that either Shub niggurath/ciel/raphael stores a backup for information and soul

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

It is your burden to prove how veldora had a resurrection skill in the first place


Go search where there is a skill called resurrection through veldora smart guy

Do you read the scans?

Veldora can be resurrected because it is a part of Rimuru's ability, Ultimate Skill [Veldora: Lord of the Storm].

One of her sub-skills: Restore Storm Dragon copied Veldora's memories into my own mind. In other words, if Veldora died for some reason, I could replace him-or, to put it another way, the "real" Veldora would reside within my own soul. That was what allowed me to summon him whenever I wanted, I supposed.

Rimuru can resurrect if Veldora is safe because they are essentially one.

This can be understood because Veldora is a sub-ability of the Ultimate Skill [Veldora: Lord of the Storm], which is Rimuru's ability, and is also a slime "Enhanced Replication", granting him the same benefit.

I don't need to go to the wiki to look up something the scans say, bro .

Why don't you send the scan I requested about the subordinates instead of repeating the same thing over and over?

 

[Mizuki67]

Do you read the scans?

Veldora can be resurrected because it is a part of Rimuru's ability, Ultimate Skill [Veldora: Lord of the Storm].


Rimuru can resurrect if Veldora is safe because they are essentially one.

This can be understood because Veldora is a sub-ability of the Ultimate Skill [Veldora: Lord of the Storm], which is Rimuru's ability, and is also a slime "Enhanced Replication", granting him the same benefit.

I don't need to go to the wiki to look up something the scans say, bro .

Why don't you send the scan I requested about the subordinates instead of repeating the same thing over and over?

No you give us the scan where rimuru was using veldora skill during the confrontation with Michael

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

The logic here is that Shub niggurath stores a backup for information and soul

What is this logic? What does this ability have to do with the supposed "Soul Corridor" that makes resurrection possible according to Tensura's supporters?

Besides, only Rimuru has that ability, so why are you trying to argue this for everyone?

No you give us the scan where rimuru was using veldora skill during the confrontation with Michael

What does that have to do with "Soul Corridor"?



Bro is trying to change the subject. Just admit you don't have any evidence to refute it.

Whether Rimuru uses the skill or not is up to him; skill descriptions don't just disappear.

 

[Mizuki67]

What is this logic? What does this ability have to do with the supposed "Soul Corridor" that makes resurrection possible according to Tensura's supporters?

Besides, only Rimuru has that ability, so why are you trying to argue this for everyone?

That is literally because the skill is connected to all of his suboordinates through the soul corridor. How does it only apply to Rimuru ??

What does that have to do with "Soul Corridor"?



Bro is trying to change the subject. Just admit you don't have any evidence to refute it.

Whether Rimuru uses the skill or not is up to him; skill descriptions don't just disappear.

Regardless it needed the soul corridor for it to work. There are others that are capable of manipulating these information on a fundamental level making resurrection possible. It is not only because of storm dragon release he is capable of doing that

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

That is literally because the skill is connected to all of his suboordinates. How does it only apply to Rimuru ??


Regardless it needed the soul corridor for it to work. There are others that are capable of manipulating these information on a fundamental level making resurrection possible. It is not only because of storm dragon release he is capable of doing that

If that's the case, why don't you provide a scan of what you're saying?

I still don't understand what this ability has to do with "Soul Corridor" In any case, you're using two things, not just "Soul Corridor" Any random character with "Soul Corridor" wouldn't have these benefits.

You haven't yet proven that just with "Soul Corridor" you get the benefits of HGR or another type of immortality; most examples always involve another skill + "Soul Corridor," not just "Soul Corridor."

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

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I'll give my input later, but yeah I heavily disagree with this
Edit: it'll be sleeping time soon. So I may reply tomorrow instead. Just putting this as a reminder here in case staff come.

Anyway, if you reply, I'll read the argument tomorrow in my local time zone.

(Different time zones are frustrating.)

 

[WorthyRhinoceros951]

Following! Gonna wait for astral

 

[Beezlebuth]

The contention being soul corridor alone isnt granting HGR or immortality?

I Think there is a sort of misunderstanding, soul corridor NEVER did such things alone; Ciel does all of it.

First and foremost, Veldora can revive rimuru without an ultimate skill and the scan does show Veldora attributing the feat to soul corridor.

But through soul corridor, Ciel can give anyone skills, access them or 'know' them through analyzing their very being. Meaning they can just grant them HGR (unsure if vswiki still considers perfect memory high or not), just recreate them because Ciel can just do that (being able to almost perfectly recreate the 'world' 10,000 times over would be including those with or without soul corridor.)

I'd say the bigger contest to all of this would be if considering the soul corridor as outside help or not for those that have access. Benimaru, Diablo, Zegion, Veldora and more have all asked ciel through the corridor as well as practically everyone that matters in his branch having been contacted by Ciel for evolutions and skill granting. If yes, it does and is illegal for fights, if no, because soul corridor can go outside of universal boundaries, then i'd say it's fair.

I'll just disagree for the fact that it's all based on skills, since skills are just information and are pseudo authority over reality as level varied by the power/rarity of the skill. From literal smelling and webbing to, well, creation of all things and concepts. "They need soul corridor and a skill to perform feat." Yep, just as steel string and sticky string made sticky steel string or whatever the official name is.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Alright, now time to address this.

It suggests that anyone who has a "soul corridor" between them will have this immortality, as in the recent thread that has been created.

Which is true

They use the description of the "soul corridor" to give the characters this ability that Veldora and Velgrynd simply have with Rimuru.

Because it is obtained through a Soul Corridor.

Okay, the skill description will be corrected. Because it seems that Tensura supporters believe that having "Soul Corridor" grants you the skill that was accepted in that thread.

Because it is true

The situation: You don't simply need to be a "Soul Corridor" to gain this ability.

You need two things: a "Soul Corridor" and that character's ability. It sounds strange, but that's how you get the benefits.

Prove that

The reason it was only included in the "Soul Corridor" section is because of this scan.

Which legit has Veldora saying Soul corridor grants the user immorality more potent than what he already has.

Anyone reading this would think the wording is accurate, but the truth is the context has been omitted.

Here is the full context.

He skipped the entire explanation of the "Veldora Ability."

If you look closely, it's not just about being a "Soul Corridor," but also about pos.sessing that person's ability.

Wrong. Notice how the skill itself doesn't have "soul corridor" under its sub skills. Why? Because aiad ability itself is a by-product obtained because of the soul corridor. Raphael even says this outright, so there's nothing hard to understand here:

Report. I have confirmed the establishment of a “soul corridor” between my master and the individual Veldora. After consuming the remains of the individual Veldora and analyzing them, I have obtained the ultimate skill Veldora, Lord of the Storm.
V5C5

Heck, right after this page, in the next page we get this statement:

“A ‘soul corridor’?” Veldora asked. “So all my memories and experiences are gathered in your mind, regardless of where we are in time and space. As long as you do not cease to exist, I am immortal. If I am subjected to Unlimited Imprisonment, you can simply resummon me to spring me out. I was once nearly invincible, but now I see I’ve been granted eternal life as well.”

Wow. Really? Like, that totally seems like cheating. Although it assumes I’ll manage to keep myself alive going forward. Still, crazy. I could create these situations, like— Ha-ha! You thought you could take me? Well, check out this storm dragon I just happened to have bumping around in my pocket! Heh-hehheh. I almost felt bad for my rivals. Talk about the ultimate ace in the hole.

With that soul-corridor connection, changes began to occur within Veldora. With his heart linked up to my soul, he had lost all his vulnerabilities. In a single moment, both his astral and spiritual bodies were regenerated, giving him new life in his original, complete form.
V5C5

Veldora literally does not even consider the "Skill" you mention. He outright just talks about soul corridor. And just later due to that very soul corridor, he loses all his vulnerabilities and regenerates his astral and spiritual bodies.

Another proof of this is the fact that destroying the soul corridor results in Rimuru losing the skill, NOT the other way around...

Report. The soul corridor between my master and the subject Veldora Tempest has been compromised. As a result, the skills Summon Storm Dragon and Restore Storm Dragon, derived from the ultimate skill Veldora, Lord of the Storm, are no longer available.
V14E

Although one could also argue that the "Veldora Ability," with its detailed explanation at the beginning, is responsible for everything.

No. Anyone who's read the entire thing and understands how Veldora treats the skill and the soul corridor would not say that.

Finally, apart from Veldora, we have no case of immortality benefits through "Soul Corridor," the only similar situation being Velgrynd, which also had to become an ability.

Sigh
Someone needs to do their research -_-

Spoiler: Working of Soul Corridors

A soul corridor is simply the act of placing a projection of your consciousness in a target. That can be an ally, or even a doll or object. That act creates an "avatar" with its own projected will.

The idea for this came from the homunculus Archduke Erald used earlier. I figured that having access to temporary bodies would let you do some pretty neat stuff.

“What’s this?”
“Never seen this before. Do I eat it?”
“Hmm… To me, it looks like a vessel for the soul—or the like.”

Milim, Ramiris, and Veldora seemed equally curious. No, Ramiris, it wasn’t food. Did she think everything I brought over for her was food? Oh, well.

Veldora was fairly close to the right answer. These items were quasi-compartments for souls. When transferring your consciousness to a homunculus, a corridor is established between it and your soul using some magic. I had Analyzed and Assessed the core components of that magic, revising them for my own needs. This was what I gave to Treyni—a vessel for her chaos core. I called it a pseudo-soul.

“Veldora’s almost got it. This device imitates a soul vessel. I can’t provide a soul itself, so instead, I tried to create a substitute that mimics one.”

Then, all at once:
“““Possess!”””

The moment we all said it together, the pseudo-souls in our hands lit up as they were absorbed into the monsters, fusing with the master cores inside them. This resulted in a complete avatar core—and when it was done, my consciousness blacked out.

In another moment, my view had changed. My Magic Sense, something I had on at all times, immediately shrank down its range, drastically affecting my vision. I had my five simulated senses now, so it was still far better than my first few days in this world, but the other three had never experienced anything like that, so it must’ve been a bear to deal with.

I looked around as I thought about this. In my hazy vision, I could see a skeleton stretching out its legs, a slime zooming around at surprising speed, and a suit of living armor methodically toddling around like a classic wind-up robot. All three of them had successfully “possessed” their monster.

(Both scans from V10).

For Veldora it's reverse; his core is already in Rimuru from the start, in Rimuru's stomach (cuz Rimuru literally absorbed him from point 1). When Rimuru then created a body/vessel inside which Veldora could project his consciousnesscand Veldora possessed it, that act made a soul corridor between Veldora (body) and Rimuru (or specifically, the true core of Veldora inside Rimuru).

The relation between Veldora and Rimuru is quite literally classified as a general example of what having a Soul Corridor is like:

Anyway. As of right then, I had around two hundred fifty thousand extra souls on me, which would let me awaken two people. My pool of qualified subordinates: Ranga, Benimaru, Shion, Gabil, Geld, Diablo, Testarossa, Ultima, Carrera, Kumara, Zegion, and Adalmann—twelve in all.

…Create a soul corridor to evolve a subordinate?
Yes
No

Based on how Raphael put it, I guess I could awaken people even if I wasn’t physically nearby. A soul corridor would allow my target and me to be unaffected by time and space, kind of like how Veldora and I used to be; it would also strengthen the bond between us, which wasn’t a bad thing, either.
V13C3

Again, an empathize on how the revival is something possible due to a Soul corridor:

Despite all this, Veldora was relaxed. He knew that he and Rimuru were connected through a soul corridor, which would allow him to be revived at any time. As long as Rimuru remained alive, Veldora was immortal. There was no need for alarm.

Not a problem. All information related to the skill has been retained, so once a soul corridor is reconnected to Veldora’s core, the ultimate ability can be restored.

Veldora and I were both safe, and it made both of us quite happy. And if we were chatting like this, I assumed Veldora’s core was unscathed as well. All that remained was to reconnect our soul corridor and regenerate the ultimate skill Veldora, Lord of the Storm.

(V15)
There is NO MENTION of this being due Veldora's own natural powers as a true dragon.

Spoiler: Examples of Soul Corridors

1:

Normally, a visitor from another world could only fully manifest themselves if their magicule count fit within the size of the Underworld Gate. If they couldn’t, they’d have to keep their main body in their original world, send over a separate body connected by a soul corridor, and gradually build up their powers on the other side.

This, however, didn’t apply to the Three Mystic Leaders. So power-laden were their souls that your average Underworld Gate meant little to them. You’d need a Gate rated for an EP of at least a million to even manifest them at all.

If you left your main body in the other world, by the way, you could revive your separate body even if it died—but since it had never fully manifested, it would lose a great deal of its strength, perhaps over half. The only things passed on to the new manifestation were its memories and experiences, and you’d need to find another physical body to possess.
V17C2

2:

Yes, inside Veldora. Veldora and I were connected by a Soul Corridor, and it was a state in which we each had a backup within the other. (V23)

You cannot ask for a better statement than this. It literally says a soul corridor is a state in whic both sides have back ups inside each other.

3:

《It is also possible to reproduce all memories of those who were connected to Master, as well as the world's environment, and intentionally create a world that is as close as possible to that time. What will you do?》(V21)

It literally says Rimuru can recreate all memories of those connected/involved with him

After that, there's no mention of Rimuru, Ciel, or anyone else being able to revive through the Soul Corridor.

Incorrect as I pointed out above. Kindly do your research ..

Rimuru always mentions that he can revive if Veldora is safe.

Why doesn't the story mention that he can do it for any of his subordinates and vice versa?

Because there's no point in that? If they already established the corridor thing can revive someone, why do they need to mention it every time they mention a soul corridor? You're asking for an author to take an approach that isn't found in normal novels.

And because they never died, except for at the end of time, and there Ciel DID mention she could revive them...

So for the reasons mentioned above, I disagree with the thread.

 

[Ultimuru]

Alright, now time to address this.

Which is true

Because it is obtained through a Soul Corridor.

Because it is true

Prove that

Which legit has Veldora saying Soul corridor grants the user immorality more potent than what he already has.

Wrong. Notice how the skill itself doesn't have "soul corridor" under its sub skills. Why? Because aiad ability itself is a by-product obtained because of the soul corridor. Raphael even says this outright, so there's nothing hard to understand here:

Heck, right after this page, in the next page we get this statement:


Veldora literally does not even consider the "Skill" you mention. He outright just talks about soul corridor. And just later due to that very soul corridor, he loses all his vulnerabilities and regenerates his astral and spiritual bodies.

Another proof of this is the fact that destroying the soul corridor results in Rimuru losing the skill, NOT the other way around...


No. Anyone who's read the entire thing and understands how Veldora treats the skill and the soul corridor would not say that.

Sigh
Someone needs to do their research -_-

Spoiler: Working of Soul Corridors

A soul corridor is simply the act of placing a projection of your consciousness in a target. That can be an ally, or even a doll or object. That act creates an "avatar" with its own projected will.


(Both scans from V10).

For Veldora it's reverse; his core is already in Rimuru from the start, in Rimuru's stomach (cuz Rimuru literally absorbed him from point 1). When Rimuru then created a body/vessel inside which Veldora could project his consciousnesscand Veldora possessed it, that act made a soul corridor between Veldora (body) and Rimuru (or specifically, the true core of Veldora inside Rimuru).

The relation between Veldora and Rimuru is quite literally classified as a general example of what having a Soul Corridor is like:


Again, an empathize on how the revival is something possible due to a Soul corridor:



(V15)
There is NO MENTION of this being due Veldora's own natural powers as a true dragon.

Spoiler: Examples of Soul Corridors

1:

2:

You cannot ask for a better statement than this. It literally says a soul corridor is a state in whic both sides have back ups inside each other.

3:

It literally says Rimuru can recreate all memories of those connected/involved with him

Incorrect as I pointed out above. Kindly do your research ..

Because there's no point in that? If they already established the corridor thing can revive someone, why do they need to mention it every time they mention a soul corridor? You're asking for an author to take an approach that isn't found in normal novels.

And because they never died, except for at the end of time, and there Ciel DID mention she could revive them...

So for the reasons mentioned above, I disagree with the thread.

Nods
Very true, yes.

 

[Mizuki67]

Alright, now time to address this.

Which is true

Because it is obtained through a Soul Corridor.

Because it is true

Prove that

Which legit has Veldora saying Soul corridor grants the user immorality more potent than what he already has.

Wrong. Notice how the skill itself doesn't have "soul corridor" under its sub skills. Why? Because aiad ability itself is a by-product obtained because of the soul corridor. Raphael even says this outright, so there's nothing hard to understand here:

Heck, right after this page, in the next page we get this statement:


Veldora literally does not even consider the "Skill" you mention. He outright just talks about soul corridor. And just later due to that very soul corridor, he loses all his vulnerabilities and regenerates his astral and spiritual bodies.

Another proof of this is the fact that destroying the soul corridor results in Rimuru losing the skill, NOT the other way around...


No. Anyone who's read the entire thing and understands how Veldora treats the skill and the soul corridor would not say that.

Sigh
Someone needs to do their research -_-

Spoiler: Working of Soul Corridors

A soul corridor is simply the act of placing a projection of your consciousness in a target. That can be an ally, or even a doll or object. That act creates an "avatar" with its own projected will.


(Both scans from V10).

For Veldora it's reverse; his core is already in Rimuru from the start, in Rimuru's stomach (cuz Rimuru literally absorbed him from point 1). When Rimuru then created a body/vessel inside which Veldora could project his consciousnesscand Veldora possessed it, that act made a soul corridor between Veldora (body) and Rimuru (or specifically, the true core of Veldora inside Rimuru).

The relation between Veldora and Rimuru is quite literally classified as a general example of what having a Soul Corridor is like:


Again, an empathize on how the revival is something possible due to a Soul corridor:



(V15)
There is NO MENTION of this being due Veldora's own natural powers as a true dragon.

Spoiler: Examples of Soul Corridors

1:

2:

You cannot ask for a better statement than this. It literally says a soul corridor is a state in whic both sides have back ups inside each other.

3:

It literally says Rimuru can recreate all memories of those connected/involved with him

Incorrect as I pointed out above. Kindly do your research ..

Because there's no point in that? If they already established the corridor thing can revive someone, why do they need to mention it every time they mention a soul corridor? You're asking for an author to take an approach that isn't found in normal novels.

And because they never died, except for at the end of time, and there Ciel DID mention she could revive them...

So for the reasons mentioned above, I disagree with the thread.

Thank you bro. I dont really have time to find scans for this newbie and it is really giving me a headache

 

[WorthyRhinoceros951]

Alright, now time to address this.

Which is true

Because it is obtained through a Soul Corridor.

Because it is true

Prove that

Which legit has Veldora saying Soul corridor grants the user immorality more potent than what he already has.

Wrong. Notice how the skill itself doesn't have "soul corridor" under its sub skills. Why? Because aiad ability itself is a by-product obtained because of the soul corridor. Raphael even says this outright, so there's nothing hard to understand here:

Heck, right after this page, in the next page we get this statement:


Veldora literally does not even consider the "Skill" you mention. He outright just talks about soul corridor. And just later due to that very soul corridor, he loses all his vulnerabilities and regenerates his astral and spiritual bodies.

Another proof of this is the fact that destroying the soul corridor results in Rimuru losing the skill, NOT the other way around...


No. Anyone who's read the entire thing and understands how Veldora treats the skill and the soul corridor would not say that.

Sigh
Someone needs to do their research -_-

Spoiler: Working of Soul Corridors

A soul corridor is simply the act of placing a projection of your consciousness in a target. That can be an ally, or even a doll or object. That act creates an "avatar" with its own projected will.


(Both scans from V10).

For Veldora it's reverse; his core is already in Rimuru from the start, in Rimuru's stomach (cuz Rimuru literally absorbed him from point 1). When Rimuru then created a body/vessel inside which Veldora could project his consciousnesscand Veldora possessed it, that act made a soul corridor between Veldora (body) and Rimuru (or specifically, the true core of Veldora inside Rimuru).

The relation between Veldora and Rimuru is quite literally classified as a general example of what having a Soul Corridor is like:


Again, an empathize on how the revival is something possible due to a Soul corridor:



(V15)
There is NO MENTION of this being due Veldora's own natural powers as a true dragon.

Spoiler: Examples of Soul Corridors

1:

2:

You cannot ask for a better statement than this. It literally says a soul corridor is a state in whic both sides have back ups inside each other.

3:

It literally says Rimuru can recreate all memories of those connected/involved with him

Incorrect as I pointed out above. Kindly do your research ..

Because there's no point in that? If they already established the corridor thing can revive someone, why do they need to mention it every time they mention a soul corridor? You're asking for an author to take an approach that isn't found in normal novels.

And because they never died, except for at the end of time, and there Ciel DID mention she could revive them...

So for the reasons mentioned above, I disagree with the thread.

GOATED TRINITY! AGREED

 

[Ronaldinhxt1]

Muito bem, agora é hora de abordar isso.

O que é verdade

Porque é obtido através de um Corredor da Alma.

Porque é verdade

Prove que

O que justifica a afirmação de Veldora de que o Corredor da Alma concede ao usuário uma imortalidade mais potente do que a que ele já possui.

Errado. Observe que a habilidade em si não possui "corredor da alma" em suas sub-habilidades. Por quê? Porque a habilidade Aiad é um subproduto obtido graças ao corredor da alma. Raphael até menciona isso explicitamente, então não há nada difícil de entender aqui:

Ora, logo depois desta página, na página seguinte, encontramos esta afirmação:


Veldora simplesmente ignora a "Habilidade" que você mencionou. Ele fala abertamente sobre o corredor da alma. E logo depois, graças a esse mesmo corredor da alma, ele perde todas as suas vulnerabilidades e regenera seus corpos astral e espiritual.

Outra prova disso é o fato de que destruir o corredor das almas resulta na perda da habilidade por Rimuru, e não o contrário...


Não. Qualquer pessoa que tenha lido tudo e entenda como Veldora aborda a habilidade e o corredor da alma não diria isso.

Suspirar
Alguém precisa fazer a pesquisa -_-

Spoiler: Funcionamento dos Corredores da Alma

Um corredor da alma é simplesmente o ato de projetar sua consciência em um alvo. Esse alvo pode ser um aliado, ou até mesmo uma boneca ou um objeto. Esse ato cria um "avatar" com sua própria vontade projetada.


(Ambas as digitalizações são da versão 10).

Para Veldora, é o inverso; seu núcleo já está em Rimuru desde o início, no estômago de Rimuru (porque Rimuru o absorveu literalmente desde o ponto 1). Quando Rimuru criou um corpo/receptáculo dentro do qual Veldora pudesse projetar sua consciência e Veldora o possuiu, esse ato criou um corredor de almas entre Veldora (corpo) e Rimuru (ou, mais especificamente, o verdadeiro núcleo de Veldora dentro de Rimuru).

A relação entre Veldora e Rimuru pode ser literalmente classificada como um exemplo geral do que significa ter um Corredor da Alma:


Mais uma vez, demonstro empatia por como o renascimento é algo possível graças a um corredor da alma:



(V15)
Não há qualquer menção de que isso se deva aos poderes naturais de Veldora como um verdadeiro dragão.

Spoiler: Exemplos de Corredores da Alma

1:

2:

Não há definição melhor do que esta. Ela afirma literalmente que um corredor da alma é um estado em que ambos os lados possuem backups internos.

3:

Diz literalmente que Rimuru pode recriar todas as memórias daqueles que estão conectados/envolvidos com ele.

Incorreto, como mencionei acima. Por favor, faça sua pesquisa.

Porque não faz sentido? Se eles já estabeleceram que o corredor pode reviver alguém, por que precisam mencionar isso toda vez que falam de um corredor da alma? Você está pedindo para o autor adotar uma abordagem que não se encontra em romances comuns.

E porque eles nunca morreram, exceto no fim dos tempos, e lá Ciel mencionou que poderia ressuscitá-los...

Portanto, pelas razões mencionadas acima, discordo da discussão.

Seeing it that way, I agree.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Alright, now time to address this.

Which is true

No, that's not true, it doesn't give the same benefits as Rimuru or Veldora .

Because it is obtained through a Soul Corridor.

Soul Corridor + ability, not just Soul Corridor, how many times do I have to repeat it?

Because it is true

No, bro...

Prove that

I already did it bro, you have to use Soul Corridor but you also have to get that character's ability .

Which legit has Veldora saying Soul corridor grants the user immorality more potent than what he already has.

Because Veldora skips over the entire context.

Wrong. Notice how the skill itself doesn't have "soul corridor" under its sub skills. Why? Because aiad ability itself is a by-product obtained because of the soul corridor. Raphael even says this outright, so there's nothing hard to understand here:

Heck, right after this page, in the next page we get this statement:

Veldora literally does not even consider the "Skill" you mention. He outright just talks about soul corridor. And just later due to that very soul corridor, he loses all his vulnerabilities and regenerates his astral and spiritual bodies.

Another proof of this is the fact that destroying the soul corridor results in Rimuru losing the skill, NOT the other way around...

None of that statement refutes the fact about the ability, bro. It's well explained. Veldora's connection to the soul corridor stems from a lack of knowledge.

Does Veldora have more knowledge than Raphael, who created the ability, or is it Veldora, who had never created a soul corridor with anyone up to that point?

Giving Veldora's word is like agreeing with a baby who's going to know the future.

No. Anyone who's read the entire thing and understands how Veldora treats the skill and the soul corridor would not say that.

It seems like a translation error when I ran it.

Sigh
Someone needs to do their research -_-

Spoiler: Working of Soul Corridors

A soul corridor is simply the act of placing a projection of your consciousness in a target. That can be an ally, or even a doll or object. That act creates an "avatar" with its own projected will.


(Both scans from V10).

For Veldora it's reverse; his core is already in Rimuru from the start, in Rimuru's stomach (cuz Rimuru literally absorbed him from point 1). When Rimuru then created a body/vessel inside which Veldora could project his consciousnesscand Veldora possessed it, that act made a soul corridor between Veldora (body) and Rimuru (or specifically, the true core of Veldora inside Rimuru).

The relation between Veldora and Rimuru is quite literally classified as a general example of what having a Soul Corridor is like:


Again, an empathize on how the revival is something possible due to a Soul corridor:

I'm talking about the benefits of the immortality that was proposed in that thread, not other types of immortality from the wiki .

Anyway. As of right then, I had around two hundred fifty thousand extra souls on me, which would let me awaken two people. My pool of qualified subordinates: Ranga, Benimaru, Shion, Gabil, Geld, Diablo, Testarossa, Ultima, Carrera, Kumara, Zegion, and Adalmann—twelve in all.

…Create a soul corridor to evolve a subordinate?
Yes
No

Based on how Raphael put it, I guess I could awaken people even if I wasn’t physically nearby. A soul corridor would allow my target and me to be unaffected by time and space, kind of like how Veldora and I used to be; it would also strengthen the bond between us, which wasn’t a bad thing, either.

If you're going to take something into account, do it completely. He doesn't say anything about it having the same benefits as Veldora or Rimuru; he just explains something and compares it to Veldora and himself, not about the benefits, bro...

Despite all this, Veldora was relaxed. He knew that he and Rimuru were connected through a soul corridor, which would allow him to be revived at any time. As long as Rimuru remained alive, Veldora was immortal. There was no need for alarm.

Not a problem. All information related to the skill has been retained, so once a soul corridor is reconnected to Veldora’s core, the ultimate ability can be restored.

Veldora and I were both safe, and it made both of us quite happy. And if we were chatting like this, I assumed Veldora’s core was unscathed as well. All that remained was to reconnect our soul corridor and regenerate the ultimate skill Veldora, Lord of the Storm.

Are you mentioning Veldora again?

Veldora is a sub-skill of the Ultimate Skill [Veldora: Lord of the Storm].

You have this scan.

It says they're like one, which explains why:

Rimuru can resurrect if Veldora is safe because they are essentially one.

This can be understood because Veldora is a sub-ability of the Ultimate Skill [Veldora: Lord of the Storm], which is Rimuru's ability, and is also a slime "Enhanced Replication", granting him the same benefit.

(V15)
There is NO MENTION of this being due Veldora's own natural powers as a true dragon.

1:

[/SPOILER]

A different kind of immortality than Rimuru's, a fake body and a real one, different from Rimuru and Veldora, wow.

2:

You cannot ask for a better statement than this. It literally says a soul corridor is a state in whic both sides have back ups inside each otherRimuru can resurrect if Veldora is safe because they are essentially one.

And another one with Veldora .

This can be understood because Veldora is a sub-ability of the Ultimate Skill [Veldora: Lord of the Storm], which is Rimuru's ability, and is also a slime "Enhanced Replication", granting him the same benefit.

3:

It literally says Rimuru can recreate all memories of those connected/involved with him

[/SPOILER]
Thanks Astral. Ellen, Alice, Kenya, etc. won't be revived, since you only consider as acquaintances those who have a soul corridor with him.

Incorrect as I pointed out above. Kindly do your research ..

And again, no.

Because there's no point in that? If they already established the corridor thing can revive someone, why do they need to mention it every time they mention a soul corridor? You're asking for an author to take an approach that isn't found in normal novels.

And because they never died, except for at the end of time, and there Ciel DID mention she could revive them...

So for the reasons mentioned above, I disagree with the thread.

You know it's not just "Soul Corridor," stop wanking the verse. Besides, you need to prove that those benefits are for everyone, not just two characters who actually have a confession, for God's sake.

The worst part is that Rimuru's subordinates shouldn't die, and it's never mentioned in the story, except at the very end (which would make him practically a god), that he can recreate the memories of his acquaintances, which, according to you, would only be those of the Soul Corridor (thanks, Astal, you killed half the cast with those words, goodbye Milim ).

Anyway, you know you can search the entire novel for the "Soul Corridor" and you'll never find the same benefits as Veldora and Rimuru with any other character, right?

I'll wait for the staff's opinion.

 

[Vesxpura]

agree with the OP

 

[Mizuki67]

agree with the OP

Why do i have the feeling that you are not even serious about giving your opinion on this matter

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

No, that's not true, it doesn't give the same benefits as Rimuru or Veldora .

No

Soul Corridor + ability, not just Soul Corridor, how many times do I have to repeat it

The ability is derived from soul corridor, not the other way around

No, bro...

Yes bro

I already did it bro, you have to use Soul Corridor but you also have to get that character's ability .

You don't "have to", that's a headcanon form you that you haven't proven. You ONLY sent scans of "hey, he got this ability as a by product when he made a soul corridor", you didn't prove "you have to have the character ability for the corridor to work".

Because Veldora skips over the entire context.

Great, so because the character is proving you wrong he doesn't address the "context"? Said context being interpreted wrongly by you at that? What a great argument...

None of that statement refutes the fact about the ability, bro. It's well explained.

It is well explained but your interpretation of it is blatantly wrong.

Veldora's connection to the soul corridor stems from a lack of knowledge.

Prove he lacks knowledge, when he was literally the one describing the soul corridor. You're making massive positive claims from a wrong interpretation of barely 2 scans, and using that as refutation for every single exam I gave

In fact, you didn't even prove Rapahel's own statement of the corridor being a by-product lol

Does Veldora have more knowledge than Raphael, who created the ability, or is it Veldora, who had never created a soul corridor with anyone up to that point?

Veldora and Raphael never contradicted each other tho? I even gave proof in the form of Rapahel's statement that the skill is a BY PRODUCT of the corridor, not the other way around

Giving Veldora's word is like agreeing with a baby who's going to know the future.

Bad example when Veldora has the google called Inquirer in his head. If Rimuru has the strongest Ai in his head then Veldora has Gemini. He's not a "baby" fyi, it seems you haven't touched the Veldora's Journal in the manga, which repeatedly shows how knowledgeable he is.

It seems like a translation error when I ran it.

Could be. You're translating an English scan to Spanish (your language) and using your interpretation of that Spanish translation to argue against the English translation.... That's just bad...

I'm talking about the benefits of the immortality that was proposed in that thread, not other types of immortality from the wiki .

I'm aware, and these are the framework of those same benefits.

If you're going to take something into account, do it completely. He doesn't say anything about it having the same benefits as Veldora or Rimuru; he just explains something and compares it to Veldora and himself, not about the benefits, bro...

Damn, imagine picking up a single scan from an explanation and telling the explainer to do it properly... Not the way to argue mate

Are you mentioning Veldora again?

Veldora is a sub-skill of the Ultimate Skill [Veldora: Lord of the Storm].

And said sub skills is?? It's a by product, it's not the corridor itself

Veldora himself says the soul corridor is the one that gives th benefits, not the damn skill:

Despite all this, Veldora was relaxed. He knew that he and Rimuru were connected through a soul corridor, which would allow him to be revived at any time. As long as Rimuru remained alive, Veldora was immortal. There was no need for alarm.

Hell, I already explained how the skill is a by product of the corridor, not the other way around, REPEATEDLY. If I had to explain it even more, the skill is a way for Ciel to control the soul corridor. It does not grant "additional" benefits.

You have this scan.

^refer to the above^

It says they're like one, which explains why:

Sihh
They are essentially one because?? Because they have backups inside each other! And what is the act of having backups inside each other called?? A soul corridor!

It's that simple to understand.

A different kind of immortality than Rimuru's, a fake body and a real one, different from Rimuru and Veldora, wow.

Not really. It's the same. As long as one side is alive, because both are body doubles of each other, they can revive each other as both possess the original "Ego".

And another one with Veldora .

Your argument is essentially about "Veldora's an exception to the general use of soul corridors" when the proof of that is... Nill.

Your only counter agaisnt statements of it being a general soul corridor thing is... "It's said by Veldora, who's a baby", like damn bro, behaving like a baby does not make someone a baby in knowledge. Milim is a prime example.

Hell, the "goofy but inhumanly high intelligence" is not a rare troupe in fiction.

This can be understood because Veldora is a sub-ability of the Ultimate Skill [Veldora: Lord of the Storm], which is Rimuru's ability, and is also a slime "Enhanced Replication", granting him the same benefit.

Incorrect once again. The skill is derived from the soul corridor, not the other way around.

Thanks Astral. Ellen, Alice, Kenya, etc. won't be revived, since you only consider as acquaintances those who have a soul corridor with him.

Wasnt that obvious?
My bad. Ciel specifically said she can recreate a world close to what Rimuru knew before, not 1:1.... I thought that was a generally known fact

And again, no.

You do know that... By saying "no" to that quoted part, you're basically refusing to do your own research?

You know it's not just "Soul Corridor," stop wanking the verse. Besides, you need to prove that those benefits are for everyone, not just two characters who actually have a confession, for God's sake.

How about you read the English Translations before calling other people's opinions "wank"? Way to go...

I already prices repeatedly that soul corridor benefits is a general thing. It's your counter arguments that are universally bad.

The worst part is that Rimuru's subordinates shouldn't die, and it's never mentioned in the story, except at the very end (which would make him practically a god), that he can recreate the memories of his acquaintances, which, according to you, would only be those of the Soul Corridor (thanks, Astal, you killed half the cast with those words, goodbye Milim ).

Holy argument from ignorance. You're arguing the same as those yt arguments like "my character is a God so he solos yours" when the "god" character is 8C in a tier 9 verse versus a 5-B...

How about trying to understand the logic behind what makes him "a god"? It's his powers, and that includes the soul corridor benefits.

Thr scans legit Ciel can recreate those "connected" to Rimuru. If that doesn't mean a soul corridor connection then idk what it means. Yeah, Ciel said she can recreate it close to what it was before, not 1:1 level of close. So how about calming down your appeal to emotion on others not being revived?

Anyway, you know you can search the entire novel for the "Soul Corridor" and you'll never find the same benefits as Veldora and Rimuru with any other character, right?

Same as what I said Before.

I'll wait for the staff's opinion.

Sure.

 

[Explosion-Proximity]

I will stay neutral for this one, and read this entire thread so wait for later inputs from me

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

No

Yes

The ability is derived from soul corridor, not the other way around

Can you send me the scan showing the abilities "Shuna," "Diablo," "Benimaru," etc.? These abilities are required by a "Soul Corridor", and his skill isn't just "Soul Corridor."

Yes bro

No bro

You don't "have to", that's a headcanon form you that you haven't proven. You ONLY sent scans of "hey, he got this ability as a by product when he made a soul corridor", you didn't prove "you have to have the character ability for the corridor to work".

He literally needs to create a soul corridor and turn it into an ultimate ability like Velgrynd.

Great, so because the character is proving you wrong he doesn't address the "context"? Said context being interpreted wrongly by you at that? What a great argument...

It is well explained but your interpretation of it is blatantly wrong.

Prove he lacks knowledge, when he was literally the one describing the soul corridor. You're making massive positive claims from a wrong interpretation of barely 2 scans, and using that as refutation for every single exam I gave

In fact, you didn't even prove Rapahel's own statement of the corridor being a by-product lol
Veldora and Raphael never contradicted each other tho? I even gave proof in the form of Rapahel's statement that the skill is a BY PRODUCT of the corridor, not the other way around

Bad example when Veldora has the google called Inquirer in his head. If Rimuru has the strongest Ai in his head then Veldora has Gemini. He's not a "baby" fyi, it seems you haven't touched the Veldora's Journal in the manga, which repeatedly shows how knowledgeable he is.

Could be. You're translating an English scan to Spanish (your language) and using your interpretation of that Spanish translation to argue against the English translation.... That's just bad...

You're misinterpreting this scan. It says: It creates a "Soul Corridor," yes, but not only that, it also gains an ability because it uses a combination of several things, gaining the "Veldora" ability.

Why bother explaining it if, according to you, "Soul Corridor" is enough?

The same applies to Velgrynd, and an explanation of how it's in the same situation as Veldora: it combines "Soul Corridor" and creates an ability from it.

Not just "Soul Corridor."

If that's the case, Rimuru would have to possess abilities like "Shuna," "Benimaru," "Zegion," etc. Something that was never hinted at in the story.

I'm aware, and these are the framework of those same benefits.

Damn, imagine picking up a single scan from an explanation and telling the explainer to do it properly... Not the way to argue mate

And said sub skills is?? It's a by product, it's not the corridor itself

Veldora himself says the soul corridor is the one that gives th benefits, not the damn skill:


Hell, I already explained how the skill is a by product of the corridor, not the other way around, REPEATEDLY. If I had to explain it even more, the skill is a way for Ciel to control the soul corridor. It does not grant "additional" benefits.

^refer to the above^

Sihh
They are essentially one because?? Because they have backups inside each other! And what is the act of having backups inside each other called?? A soul corridor!

It's that simple to understand.

Not really. It's the same. As long as one side is alive, because both are body doubles of each other, they can revive each other as both possess the original "Ego".

Your argument is essentially about "Veldora's an exception to the general use of soul corridors" when the proof of that is... Nill.

Your only counter agaisnt statements of it being a general soul corridor thing is... "It's said by Veldora, who's a baby", like damn bro, behaving like a baby does not make someone a baby in knowledge. Milim is a prime example.

Hell, the "goofy but inhumanly high intelligence" is not a rare troupe in fiction.

Incorrect once again. The skill is derived from the soul corridor, not the other way around.

Wasnt that obvious?
My bad. Ciel specifically said she can recreate a world close to what Rimuru knew before, not 1:1.... I thought that was a generally known fact

Repeating what I said before, there are only two examples (Veldora and Velgrynd, which does mention the same benefit despite being unknown) that we have regarding Soul Corridor + ability; we don't have Soul Corridor and abilities for Rimuru's subordinates.

Only "Soul Corridor."

Veldora is literally a baby compared to Raphael.

Raphael explained the benefits he gained with the "Veldora" ability.

The fact that Veldora is associated with "Soul Corridor" is not an argument to reject the benefits that the "Veldora" ability provides, which is the same thing Veldora explained in "Soul Corridor," only it's a baby .

Nor does Veldora's explanation with Soul Corridor apply any more to him than to everyone else with "Soul Corridor."

You do know that... By saying "no" to that quoted part, you're basically refusing to do your own research?

How about you read the English Translations before calling other people's opinions "wank"? Way to go...

I already prices repeatedly that soul corridor benefits is a general thing. It's your counter arguments that are universally bad.

I'll ignore this because it's irrelevant.

Holy argument from ignorance. You're arguing the same as those yt arguments like "my character is a God so he solos yours" when the "god" character is 8C in a tier 9 verse versus a 5-B...

How about trying to understand the logic behind what makes him "a god"? It's his powers, and that includes the soul corridor benefits.

Thr scans legit Ciel can recreate those "connected" to Rimuru. If that doesn't mean a soul corridor connection then idk what it means. Yeah, Ciel said she can recreate it close to what it was before, not 1:1 level of close. So how about calming down your appeal to emotion on others not being revived?

Same as what I said Before.

If you cropped half the scan, I'd obviously agree with you. Unfortunately, that's not the case.

Now prove that Milim, Guy, etc., have a Soul Corridor with Rimuru and that the word "connection" simply refers to a Soul Corridor and not to a connection with people he met .

Sure.

Will this be your final message, or do you want to add something else? I'm going to index the main counterargument and the argument to the original post to make it easier to read. I'll provide a more detailed explanation later.

 

[Explosion-Proximity]

So after reading the thread i will go and disagree with this change Via. Astral's explanation.

 

[Ultimuru]

After reading allat I disagree with the thread too

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

So after reading the thread i will go and disagree with this change Via. Astral's explanation.

After reading allat I disagree with the thread too

Random goblin with HGR, no way.

 

[Mizuki67]

This might actually make sense
Perhaps it should be a staff discussion thread due to the controversy

 

[Mizuki67]

Veldora and Velgrynd got their core copied
Rimuru couldn't do this up until he actually devoured both of them, the others is more like power and energy exchange, so I agree since diablo wouldn't worry about returning to hell if rimuru could just reform him

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Brother, what's wrong with you? Are you trolling?

Anyway, if the argument is that Soul Corridor, which Veldora claims grants the same benefits to everyone, I'll have to refute that statement, which is throughout the entire novel, for God's sak

Veldora and Velgrynd got their core copied
Rimuru couldn't do this up until he actually devoured both of them, the others is more like power and energy exchange, so I agree since diablo wouldn't worry about returning to hell if rimuru could just reform him

 

[Catpija]

Yeah this makes sense.
Rimuru can only rely for Veldora to ressurect despite having Soul Corridor with most of his underlings.
Thats my bad for not specifying it.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Thanks bro.

Yeah this makes sense.
Rimuru can only rely for Veldora to ressurect despite having Soul Corridor with most of his underlings.
Thats my bad for not specifying it.

 

[Mizuki67]

Brother, what's wrong with you? Are you trolling?

Anyway, if the argument is that Soul Corridor, which Veldora claims grants the same benefits to everyone, I'll have to refute that statement, which is throughout the entire novel, for God's sak

No, it just has been genuinely showe to only work with veldora and velgrynd whom he devoured their hearts or soul core or whatever, so if they do die they can come back immediately with their memories and personalities just fine
Its not ever implied nor shown to work with others because in volume 23 rimuru worried about diablo dying despite the soul corridor
So soul corridor can make rimuru
Aware of their location in space-time
Collect abilites and energy
But not regenerate them from NEP

 

[Hecky2222]

After reading allat I disagree with the thread too

Bro DB fan can read?

 

[Ultimuru]

Bro DB fan can read?

I gained this ability few days ago. I finally don't need Astral to read me his CRTs to sleep and I can do this myself.

 

[Hecky2222]

I gained this ability few days ago. I finally don't need Astral to read me his CRTs to sleep and I can do this myself.

Read JJK bro and you will join us again