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Stats Rework
Vader stats rework
add More precognition scans
Votes:
Agree: (2) @LephyrTheRevanchist (Option 1), @Planck69 (Option 1)
Neutral: (0)
Disagree: (0)
In Star Wars, the format of the statistics is completely unregulated, just look at Kylo Ren, Vader, Yoda, and Cere. As you can see, the format of statistics using “Force Amplification” is not standardized, each one uses a different style. Profiles such as Vader and Yoda do not have an AP division like Kylo and Cere.
So first, I'm going to create a standardized format for ALL Force users (Except for the untrained category, but I'll deal with that later):
Naturally
It seems that this was discussed in that old CRT, which I don't think ever reached a concrete conclusion? In any case, I will use it as a way to respond to possible questions.
First, there is the question of Force Users vs. Non-Force Users. Nothing prevents non-Force Users from being comparable to Force Users; nothing prevents them from performing superhuman feats. For example: Fett (a non-Force User human) destroyed a metal door with a kick, Cad Bane dodged a blaster shot (0:17). This is worse for characters like Bane who aren't even human, so they might be naturally superhuman.
It's a HUGE assumption to say that Jedi/Sith are never Force-amplified when facing non-Force users; it's much simpler to say that they scale (of course, when they present a challenge to Force users like the Mandalorians). Speaking of the Mandalorians, they went to war with Jedi, so is anyone going to say that throughout the entire war they chose not to be Force-amplified?
- "But what about 9-A Blasters? Much weaker characters like the Clones can injure Jedi with this."
Honestly, whether Blasters are tier 9, 8, etc. doesn't matter. Their primary means of damage is heat, and Jedi don't naturally have resistance to it. Speed isn't exactly a drawback either, because there's no established canonical speed.
Of course, this does NOT mean that all non-Force users will escalate to Force users, but it's just an indication that this is entirely possible.
Unknown
You can basically see that I changed everything to unknown, right? Why? It's simple. We have no idea when a Force User is amplified or not. There's no color around them, no special sound effect, nothing like that. It's a totally subjective and interpretive matter, so I thought leaving it unknown was the best option.
There's also the option of just indexing "X with Force Amplification" without the "naturally" since Force is UES and we basically don't do that with other verses, but idk.
You choose which is best.
Option 1: Ignore "naturally" and keep only the classification while they are amplified.
Option 2: Add a "naturally" option and set it to unknown because we don't know when they are amplified.
Option 3: Well, any extra options someone suggests in the thread.
So first, I'm going to create a standardized format for ALL Force users (Except for the untrained category, but I'll deal with that later):
AP: Unknown naturally, X with Force Amplification and Telekinesis (Justification), higher when guided by the Force, much higher with Empowerment and Rage Power.
Striking Strength: Unknown naturally, X with Force Amplification (Justification), higher when guided by the Force, much higher with Empowerment and Rage Power.
Lifting Strength : Unknown naturally, X with Force Amplification and Telekinesis (Justification), higher when guided by the Force, much higher with Empowerment and Rage Power.
Speed: Unknown naturally, X with Force Amplification (Justification), higher when guided by the Force and Force Speed, much higher with Empowerment and Rage Power
See the “Force Manipulation” page to learn more about being guided by the Force, Empowerment, and Rage Power.Durability: Unknown naturally, X with Force Amplification (Justification), higher when guided by the Force, much higher with Empowerment and Rage Power
Naturally
It seems that this was discussed in that old CRT, which I don't think ever reached a concrete conclusion? In any case, I will use it as a way to respond to possible questions.
First, there is the question of Force Users vs. Non-Force Users. Nothing prevents non-Force Users from being comparable to Force Users; nothing prevents them from performing superhuman feats. For example: Fett (a non-Force User human) destroyed a metal door with a kick, Cad Bane dodged a blaster shot (0:17). This is worse for characters like Bane who aren't even human, so they might be naturally superhuman.
It's a HUGE assumption to say that Jedi/Sith are never Force-amplified when facing non-Force users; it's much simpler to say that they scale (of course, when they present a challenge to Force users like the Mandalorians). Speaking of the Mandalorians, they went to war with Jedi, so is anyone going to say that throughout the entire war they chose not to be Force-amplified?
- "But what about 9-A Blasters? Much weaker characters like the Clones can injure Jedi with this."
Honestly, whether Blasters are tier 9, 8, etc. doesn't matter. Their primary means of damage is heat, and Jedi don't naturally have resistance to it. Speed isn't exactly a drawback either, because there's no established canonical speed.
Of course, this does NOT mean that all non-Force users will escalate to Force users, but it's just an indication that this is entirely possible.
Unknown
You can basically see that I changed everything to unknown, right? Why? It's simple. We have no idea when a Force User is amplified or not. There's no color around them, no special sound effect, nothing like that. It's a totally subjective and interpretive matter, so I thought leaving it unknown was the best option.
There's also the option of just indexing "X with Force Amplification" without the "naturally" since Force is UES and we basically don't do that with other verses, but idk.
You choose which is best.
Option 1: Ignore "naturally" and keep only the classification while they are amplified.
Option 2: Add a "naturally" option and set it to unknown because we don't know when they are amplified.
Option 3: Well, any extra options someone suggests in the thread.
add More precognition scans
Votes:
Agree: (2) @LephyrTheRevanchist (Option 1), @Planck69 (Option 1)
Neutral: (0)
Disagree: (0)
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