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Yuji Itadori vs Pochita [0-0-0-1-1]

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in before the downgrade + denjis too weak

Yuji Itadori (Shinjuku Showdown)
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Attack Potency: 382.57 Kilotons, higher with Black Flash
Durability: 382.57 Kilotons
Lifting Strength: >125,959.279 Metric Tons


Pochita (Part 1)
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Attack Potency: possibly >128.18 Kilotons
Durability: possibly >128.18 Kilotons
Lifting Strength: 925,664,855 Metric Tons

Speed is equalized

Scissors:
Chainsaw:
Inconclusive:
Teenage Aura Farmer: DragoZeroNova
The Honored One: Arceus0x
 
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Either we've done this already or I am in another universe. Voting Pochita bzzz bzzz and themes.
 
Yuji has less than a 3x AP/Dura advantage, and he actually has feats of being resilient to cutting attacks unlike most people Pochita goes up against. So he should actually be receiving very minimal damage by comparison.

Soul attacks at the best are going to be separating Pochita from Deni, and at worst are going to be inflicting soul damage which will cause Pochita's physicals to start dropping rapidly (It didn't take long to drop Mahito to 40% and below. Pochita's going to be dropped to a fraction of his physical stats in no time). This will of course make Yuji's starting advantage an even larger gulf and make Pochita's chainsaw effectively useless.

Then there's Black Flash which Yuji can now consistently land after landing it even once (Which is very likely in a prolonged battle like this). And with each Black Flash, he's going to be obviously 2.5x more damage on top of his starting AP advantage, but also getting a 20% increase to his physical stats. Further widening the gulf with each one he lands. Pochita's going to be tickling Yuji pretty early on into the fight as a result.

Pochita's main advantage is LS, but he doesn't spam use that in-character anywho, so it's not a big issue. Yuji also has a huge skill advantage (Pochita's not skilled, but he has tactics), so he's not going to be getting caught or hit a lot to begin with compared to Pochita.

Not voting, just listing the advantages I see.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Pochita's main advantage is LS, but he doesn't spam use that in-character anywho, so it's not a big issue.
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LaserPrecision said:
Yuji also has a huge skill advantage (Pochita's not skilled, but he has tactics), so he's not going to be getting caught or hit a lot to begin with compared to Pochita.
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Yeah, no. They're both in the same combat skill tier here on the wiki. You'd have to give a real argument to assert what you just said, and even then they would still remain in the same tier without a CRT.
LaserPrecision said:
Yuji has less than a 3x AP/Dura advantage, and he actually has feats of being resilient to cutting attacks unlike most people Pochita goes up against. So he should actually be receiving very minimal damage by comparison.
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higher with chainsaws (After reawakening within Denji, his chainsaws pierce through his main body and are capable of easily one-shotting the Hell Devil. Makima, and all the other hybrids in Special Division 5. In the latter fight, a single kick launched Quanxi and Miri through multiple skyscrapers, killing them both)
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Yeah, no. Pochita's Chainsaws oneshots the value he scales, Yuji will be cut.
LaserPrecision said:
Soul attacks at the best are going to be separating Pochita from Deni
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Nothing changes, Pochita can act separately from Denji without any consequences. All this will do is make it more likely that Pochita will rip out his own heart to create a clone and turn it into a 2v1.
 
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Lynieryz said:
Yeah, no. They're both in the same combat skill tier here on the wiki. You'd have to give a real argument to assert what you just said, and even then they would still remain in the same tier without a CRT.
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Same tier of skill doesn't mean they're equal. Both aren't skilled much though, and Yuji's lack of mobility is the bigger issue I'd say.
 
Lynieryz said:
Yeah, no. They're both in the same combat skill tier here on the wiki. You'd have to give a real argument to assert what you just said, and even then they would still remain in the same tier without a CRT.
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Skill isn't rated in tiers anymore. You do know that right? It's separate from intelligence after a CRT from DaReaper IIRC. Also arguing they're in the same tier doesn't mean anything even if we used the old rating system because there can be a gulf between two people in the same tier. That's like saying two people who have the same regen tier on the wiki have the exact same level of regen despite tiers of regen still having a range of potency. An example:
High: The ability to regenerate from a few scattered or lone molecules, atoms, sub-atomic particles, or pure physical energy units.
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This counter-argument doesn't mean anything. If you want to go feat for feat we can or smth, but anyone who's read both series can easily tell the difference. This same difference applies to intelligence. Sharing a tier doesn't mean combatants are equal, you need to prove that.
Lynieryz said:
Yeah, no. Pochita's Chainsaws oneshots the value he scales, Yuji will be cut.
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It one shots a value nearly 3x below Yuji's value. And not to mention the reason it can one shot is because it's cutting damage which has a smaller area, something I already said Yuji has been shown to withstand countless times against Sukuna. Pochita's saws will leave surface level cuts, that's it. And that's before he gets his physicals nerfed and Yuji buffs himself.
Lynieryz said:
Nothing changes, Pochita can act separately from Denji without any consequences. All this will do is make it more likely that Pochita will rip out his own heart to create a clone and turn it into a 2v1.
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Which is fine. He'd still whoop Pochita's ass regardless. But you also ignored the other half because I obviously glossed over that part because that's not a big deal for Pochita.
 
Great and fun matchup idea, it will be even more fun when both verses get their scaling all patched up. Speaking of, I have been meaning to nix Pochita's Part 1 High 7-C for a good while now and from what I have heard, Shinjuku Yuji might be hitting the downgrade slammer once more.

Either way, both character pages are a load of inaccuracies, best not to waste time on a matchup that will not serve even the thinnest slice of bread and best we hold this off. I can definitely argue Pochita here, but it is not really looking all that valiant with those values, which are inaccurate. My exams are wrapping up, so I figure I will soon get to work again on the verse. Lots to do and etcetera, you'll have Denji-Man by the time I'm done.
 
GunshyFever said:
Great and fun matchup idea, it will be even more fun when both verses get their scaling all patched up. Speaking of, I have been meaning to nix Pochita's Part 1 High 7-C for a good while now and from what I have heard, Shinjuku Yuji might be hitting the downgrade slammer once more.

Either way, both character pages are a load of inaccuracies, best not to waste time on a matchup that will not serve even the thinnest slice of bread and best we hold this off. I can definitely argue Pochita here, but it is not really looking all that valiant with those values, which are inaccurate. My exams are wrapping up, so I figure I will soon get to work again on the verse. Lots to do and etcetera, you'll have Denji-Man by the time I'm done.
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🥀 🥀 🥀

we can larp the matchup instead
 
MochOath said:
Denji no diffed Yoru, a reality warper.
That puts him at least 1 layer above reality (low 2-C as a lowball)
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Yuji (That one cosplayer) beat up that one guy within the real world. Our world views CSM as fictional thus Yuji has an R>F level above CSM and is thus 1-A. Yuji has also appeared in both Marvel and DC thus giving him their scaling as well.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Yuji (That one cosplayer) beat up that one guy within the real world. Our world views CSM as fictional thus Yuji has an R>F level above CSM and is thus 1-A. Yuji has also appeared in both Marvel and DC thus giving him their scaling as well.
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Fujimoto stated he's attracted to dominant women such as Power and Makima. Denji is multiple oneshot tiers above Power. Devils in CSM are amped by emotions, and attraction/love is the strongest emotion.

This means, Fiction < Reality <= Yuji <= Fujimoto < Fujimoto's feeling for women like Power << Power herself <<< Denji << Denji (Fear Boost) << Denji (Love Boost)
That puts Denji comfortably above Tier 0 if we want to be conservative
 
MochOath said:
Fujimoto stated he's attracted to dominant women such as Power and Makima. Denji is multiple oneshot tiers above Power. Devils in CSM are amped by emotions, and attraction/love is the strongest emotion.

This means, Fiction < Reality <= Yuji <= Fujimoto < Fujimoto's feeling for women like Power << Power herself <<< Denji << Denji (Fear Boost) << Denji (Love Boost)
That puts Denji comfortably above Tier 0 if we want to be conservative
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You never established why Fujimoto would be > Yuji or be anywhere near him in the scaling chain 🤔
 
MochOath said:
Therefore: Yuji <= Gege <= Fujimoto
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Idk, that last scan seems like a Gege upscale. Fujimoto created a bigger uproar in one ending than Gege did in two, making him worse. Not only that, but Yuji beats Gege at the end of JJK. So it'd go Yuji > Gege > Fujimoto tbh.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Idk, that last scan seems like a Gege upscale. Fujimoto created a bigger uproar in one ending than Gege did in two, making him worse.
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Its the opposite.
As Sun Tzu famously said, "There's no such thing as bad publicity." This means Fujimoto causing a greater emotional impact on the audience with half the number of endings puts him as at least twice as powerful as Gege.
LaserPrecision said:
Yuji beats Gege at the end of JJK.
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Scans?

Yuji is still subordinate to Gege till the end of JJK modulo and actually works under him.
Yuji even admits inferiority to Gege and states it took him going all out and "running full speed with no sleep" to keep up with Gege's casual movements
 
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