STRONGEST ARCHBISHOP VERSUS STRONGEST MONSTER OF ALL TIME (Regulus Corneas Versus Gobta | 3 - 4 - 0 )

[Mickey1940]

CM 1 with tons of shit

and NPI for tons of shit.

you're gonna have to dumb that down several notches cuz from my perspective idk what those letters means and I feel like even if I did that would still explain next to nothing

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

you're gonna have to dumb that down several notches cuz from my perspective idk what those letters means and I feel like even if I did that would still explain next to nothing

magic in tensura has conceptual manipulation type 1, this means it can affect things on a more abstract level than Regulus has shown to be uninteractable to, since his fire magic would have that too, then the fire knife in gobta's possesion would be capable of bypassing his authority

which is why its a stomp

 

[Mickey1940]

magic in tensura has conceptual manipulation type 1, this means it can affect things on a more abstract level than Regulus has shown to be uninteractable to, since his fire magic would have that too, then the fire knife in gobta's possesion would be capable of bypassing his authority

which is why its a stomp

First of all:

(Type 1; Magic is an idea projected into Reality and used to turn imagination into Reality and influence the laws of the world, the world itself. Magic abides by the World Language that turns nonphysical phenomena into real life in the same way magic could rewrite the laws of the world. Attributes are Laws that govern the Logic/Principles of the World. The concept of magic also applies to Spiritual Lifeforms who are also magic themselves)

Gobuta's knife "rewrites the laws of the world"... by setting a knife on fire.

How does the knife itself stab into Regulus just because it breaks reality to make fire

the action of breaking reality to make something as basic as fire shouldn't bypass Lion's Heart since neither the knife nor the fire are law-warping forces. The knife breaks reality to MAKE fire, but the result is just... a knife that's on fire. The process would bypass Lion's Heart, but the result really shouldn't

At the end of the day, it's just a knife that's on fire. I see no reason why that should bypass Lion's Heart


Second of all:

even if we assume the knife DOES work, wouldn't Regulus immediately kill Gobuta if he gets stabbed

like why is Gobuta stabbing him in the chest or smthn an instant death

Regulus has gotten up from way way WAY worse.

Gobuta's flaming knife might have some lawbreaking power that bypasses Regulus's invul, but at the end of the day, it's still a knife that stabs people. It's not Death Manip or anything of the sort. Why would that kill Regulus?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

First of all:

(Type 1; Magic is an idea projected into Reality and used to turn imagination into Reality and influence the laws of the world, the world itself. Magic abides by the World Language that turns nonphysical phenomena into real life in the same way magic could rewrite the laws of the world. Attributes are Laws that govern the Logic/Principles of the World. The concept of magic also applies to Spiritual Lifeforms who are also magic themselves)

Gobuta's knife "rewrites the laws of the world"... by setting a knife on fire.

How does the knife itself stab into Regulus just because it breaks reality to make fire

the action of breaking reality to make something as basic as fire shouldn't bypass Lion's Heart since neither the knife nor the fire are law-warping forces. The knife breaks reality to MAKE fire, but the result is just... a knife that's on fire. The process would bypass Lion's Heart, but the result really shouldn't

At the end of the day, it's just a knife that's on fire. I see no reason why that should bypass Lion's Heart


Second of all:

even if we assume the knife DOES work, wouldn't Regulus immediately kill Gobuta if he gets stabbed

like why is Gobuta stabbing him in the chest or smthn an instant death

Regulus has gotten up from way way WAY worse.

Gobuta's flaming knife might have some lawbreaking power that bypasses Regulus's invul, but at the end of the day, it's still a knife that stabs people. It's not Death Manip or anything of the sort. Why would that kill Regulus?

if it isnt then this matchup would be a stomp the other way, so i just assumed that it did kill him instantly, if it doesn't then uhh

Gobta is cooked

 

[AlexSamDen]

Gobuta's knife "rewrites the laws of the world"... by setting a knife on fire.

How does the knife itself stab into Regulus just because it breaks reality to make fire

the action of breaking reality to make something as basic as fire shouldn't bypass Lion's Heart since neither the knife nor the fire are law-warping forces. The knife breaks reality to MAKE fire, but the result is just... a knife that's on fire. The process would bypass Lion's Heart, but the result really shouldn't

At the end of the day, it's just a knife that's on fire. I see no reason why that should bypass Lion's Heart

First of all, it would be better if someone learned to look at the whole page before making statements

For example you missed this

Magic ｢魔ま法ほう Mahō｣ is the embodiment of an "idea" that produces some effect in accordance with a specified law. As an example, a magic releases images that "take away heat" or "burn things", in the form of energy, and as an ancillary effect, physical phenomena such as ice and fireballs are generated. Since the physical phenomena are not the main focus and the main subject is the embodied image, the effect is extended to Spiritual Lifeforms.

Physical "fire" is just a representation of the idea that gets applied to the opponent

Just reinforcing your sword with magic is already the same as applying the concepts of "severing" and "destruction"

Second of all:

even if we assume the knife DOES work, wouldn't Regulus immediately kill Gobuta if he gets stabbed

like why is Gobuta stabbing him in the chest or smthn an instant death

Regulus has gotten up from way way WAY worse.

Gobuta's flaming knife might have some lawbreaking power that bypasses Regulus's invul, but at the end of the day, it's still a knife that stabs people. It's not Death Manip or anything of the sort. Why would that kill Regulus?

The fact that Regulus will immediately be on fire that will burn him to a crisp?

Or that the fire may genuinely reach his soul?

• Non-Physical Interaction (Magic can work on a conceptual level<a and it could interact and damage Spiritual Lifeforms, inculding demons, who have no physical body.)
  • Abstractions (Type 1: Law & Concept [Type 1] & Information [Type 2]);
  • Nonexistence (Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 [Other: Space, Time, Life, Death, Causality & Law]);
  • Intangibility & Incorporeality

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

First of all:

(Type 1; Magic is an idea projected into Reality and used to turn imagination into Reality and influence the laws of the world, the world itself. Magic abides by the World Language that turns nonphysical phenomena into real life in the same way magic could rewrite the laws of the world. Attributes are Laws that govern the Logic/Principles of the World. The concept of magic also applies to Spiritual Lifeforms who are also magic themselves)

Gobuta's knife "rewrites the laws of the world"... by setting a knife on fire.

How does the knife itself stab into Regulus just because it breaks reality to make fire

the action of breaking reality to make something as basic as fire shouldn't bypass Lion's Heart since neither the knife nor the fire are law-warping forces. The knife breaks reality to MAKE fire, but the result is just... a knife that's on fire. The process would bypass Lion's Heart, but the result really shouldn't

At the end of the day, it's just a knife that's on fire. I see no reason why that should bypass Lion's Heart

Not exactly. To explain it properly, Tensura magic works by manipulating the Laws of the World to bring a specific effect into reality. Once that effect is manifested, it produces a physical phenomenon, which serves only as a carrier for the effect.
For example, with Ice Lance, the effect being brought into reality is not the creation of an ice spear, but rather the concept of "shaping away heat." This effect forms an ice lance through the surrounding atmosphere, but the lance is merely a physical vessel. When it strikes a target, the energy or the effect of "shaping away heat", is transferred to the target. This is because the physical manifestation is only a medium, while the true focus is the effect or energy contained within it.
The same principle applies to fire magic. Fire magic carries the effect of burning and manifests as physical flames. However, just like Ice Lance, the flames themselves are only a carrier. The actual essence of the magic is the burning effect, the energy or imagined phenomenon embodied within the physical fire.

Second of all:

even if we assume the knife DOES work, wouldn't Regulus immediately kill Gobuta if he gets stabbed

like why is Gobuta stabbing him in the chest or smthn an instant death

Regulus has gotten up from way way WAY worse.

Gobuta's flaming knife might have some lawbreaking power that bypasses Regulus's invul, but at the end of the day, it's still a knife that stabs people. It's not Death Manip or anything of the sort. Why would that kill Regulus?

"Burn"

 

[Explosion-Proximity]

Gobta FRA

 

[Mickey1940]

Not exactly. To explain it properly, Tensura magic works by manipulating the Laws of the World to bring a specific effect into reality. Once that effect is manifested, it produces a physical phenomenon, which serves only as a carrier for the effect.
For example, with Ice Lance, the effect being brought into reality is not the creation of an ice spear, but rather the concept of "shaping away heat." This effect forms an ice lance through the surrounding atmosphere, but the lance is merely a physical vessel. When it strikes a target, the energy or the effect of "shaping away heat", is transferred to the target. This is because the physical manifestation is only a medium, while the true focus is the effect or energy contained within it.
The same principle applies to fire magic. Fire magic carries the effect of burning and manifests as physical flames. However, just like Ice Lance, the flames themselves are only a carrier. The actual essence of the magic is the burning effect, the energy or imagined phenomenon embodied within the physical fire.

I see

so then Gobuta just sets Regulus on fire

the instant Regulus gets set on fire he panics and waves his hand sending an air shockwave at Gobuta, splattering him instantly

"Burn"

if this doesn't instantly turn Regulus to ashes then Gobuta also dies.


I vote Regulus. Regulus lets himself get hit, gets set on fire, instantly kills Gobuta, then prob just runs away to a body of water and puts out the fire. He'll probably have some severe burns but he'll still be alive

There's also the small possibility that Regulus sees some ugly half naked green thing in front of him and just splatters him on the spot

Gobuta dies no matter what he does. Regulus can survive sometimes. Therefore I vote Regulus

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

I vote Regulus. Regulus lets himself get hit, gets set on fire, instantly kills Gobuta, then prob just runs away to a body of water and puts out the fire. He'll probably have some severe burns but he'll still be alive

The fire created by magic cannot be put out with water (likely because the effect itself does not disappear).

There's also the small possibility that Regulus sees some ugly half naked green thing in front of him and just splatters him on the spot

Is that even in his character, tho? Does he instantly kill people who aren't a threat to him? And besides, Gobta does have SL.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I see

so then Gobuta just sets Regulus on fire

the instant Regulus gets set on fire he panics and waves his hand sending an air shockwave at Gobuta, splattering him instantly

if this doesn't instantly turn Regulus to ashes then Gobuta also dies.


I vote Regulus. Regulus lets himself get hit, gets set on fire, instantly kills Gobuta, then prob just runs away to a body of water and puts out the fire. He'll probably have some severe burns but he'll still be alive

There's also the small possibility that Regulus sees some ugly half naked green thing in front of him and just splatters him on the spot

Gobuta dies no matter what he does. Regulus can survive sometimes. Therefore I vote Regulus

I think you misunderstood something; it doesn't just set the "physical body" on fire, but also the spiritual one, burning them on a Metaphysical level. SO yes, this would be an instant one-shot.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

The fire created by magic cannot be put out with water (likely because the effect itself does not disappear).

Is that even in his character, tho? Does he instantly kill people who aren't a threat to him? And besides, Gobta does have SL.

SI is never working on Regulus, idk if that key has it or not

either way, if the fire isnt insta killing Regulus then yeah he did turn him to a bloody spat similar to what he did to Pandora

 

[AlexSamDen]

SI is never working on Regulus, idk if that key has it or not

SL

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

SI is never working on Regulus, idk if that key has it or not

either way, if the fire isnt insta killing Regulus then yeah he did turn him to a bloody spat similar to what he did to Pandora

He meant Supernatural luck, not social influence... (But yeah, I have never seen the shortening before either)

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

SL

Solo leveling...

 

[BoastJr]

Regulus would destroy SL Universe no questions asked

Gobta on the other hand negs it

 

[AlexSamDen]

Solo leveling...

Solos both Tensura and Re:Zero in writing btw

(According to @PHANtomFELdway )

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Solos both Tensura and Re:Zero in writing btw

(According to @PHANtomFELdway )

Feldway propaganda!! (highkey how does one even get to that conclusion )

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Solos both Tensura and Re:Zero in writing btw

Hard disagree, what kinda bias-

(According to @PHANtomFELdway )

Oh, that explains the entire thing.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Feldway propaganda!! (highkey how does one even get to that conclusion)

A hard Solo leveling wanker, that believe ragnarok and in turn Solo leveling is High 1A, and is the best written work in fiction.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

A hard Solo leveling wanker, that believe ragnarok and in turn Solo leveling is High 1A, and is the best written work in fiction.

 

[BoastJr]

Where are all your rezero debaters Satella

They need to defend regulus from slander asap. This mu kinda peak

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Knowing how both characters behave in-character, if Regulus starts going on one of his usual rants, Gobta is unlikely to immediately attack him. More likely, he would end up provoking or rage-baiting Regulus, which would only aggravate him further and prompt Regulus to make the first move. I'm not sure why Satella didn't bring that up.

In any case, I'm voting for Regulus.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Knowing how both characters behave in-character, if Regulus starts going on one of his usual rants, Gobta is unlikely to immediately attack him. More likely, he would end up provoking or rage-baiting Regulus, which would only aggravate him further and prompt Regulus to make the first move. I'm not sure why Satella didn't bring that up.

Regulus has a fear aura, and while it isn't enough to incapacitate Gobta, it's enough to make him panic and use the knife immediately

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Regulus has a fear aura, and while it isn't enough to incapacitate Gobta, it's enough to make him panic and use the knife immediately

it was mentioned above that it wouldn't work on Gobta, and thats a fair assessment considering the monsters in Tensura have it too with the same description.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

it was mentioned above that it wouldn't work on Gobta, and thats a fair assessment considering the monsters in Tensura have it too with the same description.

I think you misunderstand. He can still react, but he just won't get any negative effects due to it. (Gobta is also naturally scared of humans, due to his experiences with them, and will instantly assume Regeulus is an advantage, and the "aura" will only strengthen that belief.)

SO yeah, it thus "work" just not in the intended way, not how it's suppose to work...

 

[AlexSamDen]

it was mentioned above that it wouldn't work on Gobta, and thats a fair assessment considering the monsters in Tensura have it too with the same description.

It wouldn't work in the sense of incapacitation, since he is rather accustomed to meeting powerful monsters with those auras

However, that will still tell him that the dude in front of him is f*cking powerful and dangerous, which will cause panic of the non-supernatural kind

 

[Trxyway]

Regulus wins. Because i said so

 

[Mickey1940]

I think you misunderstood something; it doesn't just set the "physical body" on fire, but also the spiritual one, burning them on a Metaphysical level. SO yes, this would be an instant one-shot.

Regulus' Lion's Heart allows him to stop the time of himself and objects, granting them invincibility. With his time stopped, Regulus is unable to experience change. Lion's Heart makes Regulus immune to effects from all physical phenomena, granting him the ultimate liberation from all concepts. This extends beyond the physical, as Shamak which manipulates the senses doesn't work on him, and he was unaffected while interacting with Sirius, whose Authority manipulates the soul itself and activates by merely knowing she exists. Regulus, if he so chooses, can ignore all of the world's laws, making those who are bound by concepts no match for him

even if this does work, this is classified as Non Physical Interaction, NOT soul manipulation. So it doesn't do what you say it does.

 

[AlexSamDen]

(Regulus' Lion's Heart allows him to stop the time of himself and objects,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Regulus_Corneas#cite_note-V19C3-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> granting them invincibility. With his time stopped, Regulus is unable to experience change.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Regulus_Corneas#cite_note-V19C3-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> Lion's Heart makes Regulus immune to effects from all physical phenomena, granting him the ultimate liberation from all concepts.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Regulus_Corneas#cite_note-V19C3-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> This extends beyond the physical, as Shamak which manipulates the senses<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Regulus_Corneas#cite_note-V17C2-7"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a> doesn't work on him, and he was unaffected while interacting with<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Regulus_Corneas#cite_note-V17C2-7"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a> Sirius, whose Authority manipulates the soul itself and activates by merely knowing she exists. Regulus, if he so chooses, can ignore all of the world's laws, making those who are bound by concepts no match for him<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Regulus_Corneas#cite_note-V19C6-8"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a>)

If it already overrides his authority on the physical part, what makes you think it wouldn't do the same on metaphysical?

 

[Mickey1940]

If it already overrides his authority on the physical part, what makes you think it wouldn't do the same on metaphysical?

because it's not soul manipulation. It's not stated to be on his profile.

 

[AlexSamDen]

because it's not soul manipulation. It's not stated to be on his profile.

The NPI part

It damages Spiritual Lifeforms who are souls and a couple more things

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Regulus' Lion's Heart allows him to stop the time of himself and objects, granting them invincibility. With his time stopped, Regulus is unable to experience change. Lion's Heart makes Regulus immune to effects from all physical phenomena, granting him the ultimate liberation from all concepts. This extends beyond the physical, as Shamak which manipulates the senses doesn't work on him, and he was unaffected while interacting with Sirius, whose Authority manipulates the soul itself and activates by merely knowing she exists. Regulus, if he so chooses, can ignore all of the world's laws, making those who are bound by concepts no match for him

I think you misunderstood what we are saying, the Magic in Tensura is an "higher authority" than "re zero authorities", thus they can be overwritten.

even if this does work, this is classified as Non Physical Interaction, NOT soul manipulation. So it doesn't do what you say it does.

???
It's NPI since it attacks the ""spiritual body", not manipulates it. That is directly stated on our page, so I don't understand what you are talking about.

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Regulus, by himself, is just a regular guy. Sure, he talks a lot, but he is still a non-combatant, and even Subaru treats his actual combat strength as nothing noteworthy. He is described as the kind of ordinary person you could find anywhere, and this version of Gobta especially would not just throw a knife at some random man while he is talking.

 

[Trxyway]

It's NPI since it attacks the ""spiritual body", not manipulates it. That is directly stated on our page, so I don't understand what you are talking about

Maybe i'm missing something but I don't see how that establishes Gobta's fire reaching Regulus's soul. The statement on his profile only says magic can harm Spiritual Life Forms that lack a physical body. That's a Non Physical Interaction feat as it demonstrates that magic can affect non corporeal beings. It does not automatically grant soul manipulation or prove that every spell directly targets the soul itself no? I mean Regulus isn't a Spiritual Life Form and he isn't a non-physical entity either so i'm confused as to why a feat about interacting with spiritual beings that have no physical body being applied to him in the first place?

Can someone explain?

 

[AlexSamDen]

Regulus, by himself, is just a regular guy. Sure, he talks a lot, but he is still a non-combatant, and even Subaru treats his actual combat strength as nothing noteworthy. He is described as the kind of ordinary person you could find anywhere, and this version of Gobta especially would not just throw a knife at some random man while he is talking.

This is combat skills and general appearance

Not the fact that he has an aura for himself

Plus, Gobta is generally apprehensive of humans

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Can someone explain?

I have explained this before, but basically the spiritual body that is explained here.

Non-Physical Interaction (Magic can work on a conceptual level and it could interact and damage Spiritual Lifeforms, inculding demons, who have no physical body.)

In a way, SPiritual bodies and spiritual life forms are the same (at least when it comes to bodily properties), so what they can do to spiritual life forms they can also do to the spiritual body.

The Spiritual body includes IM 2, CM1, soul, mind ect. We are currently working on a much better explanation for it on the site, but I hope I explained it well enough.

SO attacking the spiritual body is attacking their souls and metaphysical aspects and other spiritual stuff.

 

[Hecky2222]

Solos both Tensura and Re:Zero in writing btw

(According to @PHANtomFELdway )

Slop Leveling wank is crazy

 

[Trxyway]

SPiritual bodies and spiritual life forms are the same

There is still a distinction between a spiritual body and a physical body. The reason i initially treated spiritual bodies and spiritual life forms as the same is because the feat you cited was specifically about magic harming Spiritual Life Forms that lack a physical body so in that context the interaction is being demonstrated on entities whose existence is fundamentally spiritual/non physical so when you brought up that feat i assumed the relevance came from the target being a spiritual life form, not from an ability to specifically attack souls so that's why i guess im asking for the connection.

Is there no difference between a Spiritual body to a Physical body in tensura?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

There is still a distinction between a spiritual body and a physical body. The reason i initially treated spiritual bodies and spiritual life forms as the same is because the feat you cited was specifically about magic harming Spiritual Life Forms that lack a physical body so in that context the interaction is being demonstrated on entities whose existence is fundamentally spiritual/non physical so when you brought up that feat i assumed the relevance came from the target being a spiritual life form, not from an ability to specifically attack souls so that's why i guess im asking for the connection.

Is there no difference between a Spiritual body to a Physical body in tensura?

Basically, the spiritual body is directly inside the "Physical one," so by attacking the physical body, you also attack the spiritual one.

 

[Trxyway]

Basically, the spiritual body is directly inside the "Physical one," so by attacking the physical body, you also attack the spiritual one.

I see, so it happens simultaneously, with tensura magic, attacking a physical body also automatically targets the spiritual body