An Attempt to bring back a Verse (Terrible Mouse)

[Antvasima]

@Mr. Bambu @Agnaa @FinePoint @LephyrTheRevanchist @KLOL506 @DaReaperMan @Tllmbrg @SomebodyData

Sannse thinks that the following text seems good to add under level 4 in our Acceptable Content Rating Scale page.

"Content that features extreme levels of gore targeted towards minors, and intentionally endorses such horrific actions, is not allowed in this wiki. Note that most horror content that features minors as victims generally doesn't fit into this category, both due to a typically lower level of gore and due to the behaviour almost always being condemned by the story rather than endorsed. This would mostly refer to content that nihilistically encourages horrific violence towards minors."

Should we do so now and conclude this thread then?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I'd like to ask something. Are the rules based solely on what the vsbattle staff deems acceptable to index (in this case, you guys), or are we still basing them on the Fandom Wiki rules? Because according to the Fandom Wiki rules, well, Terrible Mouse has a wiki on Fandom so far.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'd like to ask something. Are the rules based solely on what the vsbattle staff deems acceptable to index (in this case, you guys), or are we still basing them on the Fandom Wiki rules? Because according to the Fandom Wiki rules, well, Terrible Mouse has a wiki on Fandom so far.

Fandom, and I'd take the direct word of Fandom staff over a very small wiki they probably haven't really recognized. Fandom staff aren't directly involved in the creation of wikis, users can just do it. Sannse is probably aware of it by now, but they seem to imply they have an internal process for working that stuff out that probably takes time, given what they said about YanSim being something Fandom is going to discuss internally.

 

[Antvasima]

I'd like to ask something. Are the rules based solely on what the vsbattle staff deems acceptable to index (in this case, you guys), or are we still basing them on the Fandom Wiki rules? Because according to the Fandom Wiki rules, well, Terrible Mouse has a wiki on Fandom so far.

I would like us to base our conclusions here on our agreement with Sannse, which I doubt will affect more than a handful of verses in our wiki at most.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

@Mr. Bambu @Agnaa @FinePoint @LephyrTheRevanchist @KLOL506 @DaReaperMan @Tllmbrg @SomebodyData

Sannse thinks that the following text seems good to add under level 4 in our Acceptable Content Rating Scale page.

"Content that features extreme levels of gore targeted towards minors, and intentionally endorses such horrific actions, is not allowed in this wiki. Note that most horror content that features minors as victims generally doesn't fit into this category, both due to a typically lower level of gore and due to the behaviour almost always being condemned by the story rather than endorsed. This would mostly refer to content that nihilistically encourages horrific violence towards minors."

Should we do so now and conclude this thread then?

I think there the phrasing is odd and will still require a level of personal interpretation (how can we determine whether something is nihilistic? Does Terrible Mouse really encourage the violence it depicts? etc), but at the very least, if Sannse is in agreement that Terrible Mouse does indeed fall past the threshold of reckoning, then we can use it as a measuring stick, I guess.

 

[Antvasima]

The text in question does not say that we should ban all nihilistic content. It is just using it as an extra descriptive adjective for content that clearly endorses turture and murder of children.

 

[DaReaperMan]

@Mr. Bambu @Agnaa @FinePoint @LephyrTheRevanchist @KLOL506 @DaReaperMan @Tllmbrg @SomebodyData

Sannse thinks that the following text seems good to add under level 4 in our Acceptable Content Rating Scale page.

"Content that features extreme levels of gore targeted towards minors, and intentionally endorses such horrific actions, is not allowed in this wiki. Note that most horror content that features minors as victims generally doesn't fit into this category, both due to a typically lower level of gore and due to the behaviour almost always being condemned by the story rather than endorsed. This would mostly refer to content that nihilistically encourages horrific violence towards minors."

Should we do so now and conclude this thread then?

I didn't know I was considered to be high enough ranking to have a say in this matter, Ant...

Anywho, yeah it's mostly fine, I'd remove "nihilistically" for the record, and rewrite the last sentence entirely, since it seems up to personal interpretation. We need objective standards, not personal bias.

 

[Antvasima]

I don't mind if we remove the word "nihilistically", but think that the last sentence seems fine otherwise.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I don't mind if we remove the word "nihilistically", but think that the last sentence seems fine otherwise.

It still portrays biased intent, in my eyes. Hence my wanting to rewrite it.

 

[Antvasima]

It clearly describes the kind of content that should be avoided, and Sannse agreed with it. The redundant word can be removed, but not the context.

 

[DaReaperMan]

It clearly describes the kind of content that should be avoided, and Sannse agreed with it. The redundant word can be removed, but not the context.

It does, the problem is is it's left to interpretation what "encourages horrific violence towards minors" actually entails. If a rule is up to personal interpretation, you'll find you'll have rulebreakers who don't even think they're rulebreaking because they interpreted it different than how you did.

 

[Tllmbrg]

@Mr. Bambu @Agnaa @FinePoint @LephyrTheRevanchist @KLOL506 @DaReaperMan @Tllmbrg @SomebodyData

Sannse thinks that the following text seems good to add under level 4 in our Acceptable Content Rating Scale page.

"Content that features extreme levels of gore targeted towards minors, and intentionally endorses such horrific actions, is not allowed in this wiki. Note that most horror content that features minors as victims generally doesn't fit into this category, both due to a typically lower level of gore and due to the behaviour almost always being condemned by the story rather than endorsed. This would mostly refer to content that nihilistically encourages horrific violence towards minors."

Should we do so now and conclude this thread then?

Idk if Terrible Mouth even falls under that last sentence to begin with considering what Agnaa reported regarding it, really I'm with Reaper about the last sentence being useless for our purpose.

 

[Antvasima]

It does, the problem is is it's left to interpretation what "encourages horrific violence towards minors" actually entails. If a rule is up to personal interpretation, you'll find you'll have rulebreakers who don't even think they're rulebreaking because they interpreted it different than how you did.

There are limits to how specific we can reasonably get with limited space available, and if we provide a long list of horrible acts committed against children, it would both turn morbid and ridiculous.

 

[Antvasima]

Idk if Terrible Mouth even falls under that last sentence to begin with considering what Agnaa reported regarding it, really I'm with Reaper about the last sentence being useless for our purpose.

Well, I suppose that the earlier sentences technically already say roughly the same thing.

 

[FinePoint]

Should we do so now and conclude this thread then?

My numerous personal complaints with the way it's worded aside, if they specifically approved it then I don't really have room to argue since our entire goal is to align with their preferences.

So, yes, I think it's fine to apply that. If we encounter an incident where we're unsure we can have another discussion about it specifically.

I do think we should add some examples though.

 

[Antvasima]

Does somebody here have any suggested examples?

 

[FinePoint]

Does somebody here have any suggested examples?

Well Terrible Mouse is the obvious one.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, but are there others? Does Yandere Simulator count?

 

[FinePoint]

Yes, but are there others? Does Yandere Simulator count?

I have no idea, they said they had to look into it, but it's still up.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Does anybody else here know about any useful examples?

 

[Random-Helper323]

Swapping nihilistically for directly or blatantly might be better. That was a first draft, meant to be edited, after all.

The last line isn't all that necessary, I suppose. The part about endorsement does seem necessary though, given many films now feature extreme violence towards everyone including children but treat it very seriously.

I had a couple of film examples in mind while typing the draft, such as how Scream, Nightmare on Elm Street and other slashers feature extreme gore targeted towards 17 year olds but also strongly condemn the perpetrators.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. I think that this seems fine to add.

"Content that features extreme levels of gore targeted towards minors, and intentionally endorses such horrific actions, is not allowed in this wiki. Note that most horror content that features minors as victims generally doesn't fit into this category, both due to a typically lower level of gore and due to the behaviour almost always being condemned by the story rather than endorsed. This would mostly refer to content that blatantly encourages horrific violence towards minors."