Lookism Discussion Thread

[XxZetsuxX]

I recommend starting with the easiest things first

Something like this;

1 - Verse Specific Pages
2 - Adding missing abilities
3 - Scaling

From easiest to hardest

 

[Pyro9278]

Dang, tbf, the last thing yall should worry about is calculations

The profiles needs to have it's scaling fixed and abilities missing added

That's like... the only thing you guys have been doing all this time, would be nice if you focused on what's really important for once

I haven't finished indexing the information yet, as I mainly prefer to wait for more data, but I have several profiles:

• Jinyoung Park
• Charles Choi
• Yugang Ha
• James Lee

 

[CatLover313]

I haven't finished indexing the information yet, as I mainly prefer to wait for more data, but I have several profiles:

• Jinyoung Park
• Charles Choi
• Yugang Ha
• James Lee

I also plan on making an LS revamp scale for the characters too (within the next month though), but kind of waiting for my Doom Calc to be evaluated as that could upscale a ton of characters.

Edit: actually, looking at the other LS stuff, it probably doesn’t change anything. Maybe I can start on it sometime when this Calc debate is done.

 

[Pyro9278]

I also plan on making an LS revamp scale for the characters too (within the next month though), but kind of waiting for my Doom Calc to be evaluated as that could upscale a ton of characters.

There may be feats with even higher results, but in general the LS of several characters also needs to be corrected

 

[CatLover313]

I gotta change mine using a new reference, so it's going to be different later when I get on my pc

Updated my calc using the references I was given by the other side, not all that different tbh. Hopefully, I don't need to keep debating now and can just wait for a CGM

(here is the calc to view; the last portion is showing I got my pixel calculations so hopefully there aren't anymore questions)

 

[Supreme_chaos18]

Updated my calc using the references I was given by the other side, not all that different tbh. Hopefully, I don't need to keep debating now and can just wait for a CGM

(here is the calc to view)

Looks good

 

[Viott]

The calculation has been updated.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Viott/Lookism_-_Powerful_Shockwave

 

[Supreme_chaos18]

I wonder whos clac is gonna get accepted first.

 

[Keshirou]

If 2-3 calcs would be accepted, theres needed calc group discussion, because debate in calc comment section is pointless.

 

[Pyro9278]

If 2-3 calcs would be accepted, theres needed calc group discussion, because pointless debate in calc comment section is pointless.

Finally, someone with logic

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Welp, on the goodside, one way or another we are crossing the current AP cap tho

 

[Pyro9278]

Welp, on the goodside, one way or another we are crossing the current AP cap tho

The bad news. Nobody's going to be able to save us from the James Glazers

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

LOOKISM BROS ITS SO OVER. TOKYO REVENGERS SWEEPS THE VERSE:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Viott/Lookism_-_Powerful_Shockwave

 

[Sigmagoon14]

The bad news. Nobody's going to be able to save us from the James Glazers

Nah the Slander Lee is still alive, Bum used Speed Mastery to end a Half-beaten dead man
(Agenda is important)

 

[Sigmagoon14]

LOOKISM BROS ITS SO OVER. TOKYO REVENGERS SWEEPS THE VERSE:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Viott/Lookism_-_Powerful_Shoc

The last thing Mikey will see before getting one tapped by James (Possessed by Ayanokoji)

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[Supreme_chaos18]

Nah the Slander Lee is still alive, Bum used Speed Mastery to end a Half-beaten dead man
(Agenda is important)

Maintaining the agenda is the top priority

 

[Supreme_chaos18]

The last thing Mikey will see before getting one tapped by James (Possessed by Ayanokoji)

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[XxZetsuxX]

James would no diff the verse in skill if he copies Koji btw

 

[Powerscalingcat]

I haven't finished indexing the information yet, as I mainly prefer to wait for more data, but I have several profiles:

• Jinyoung Park
• Charles Choi
• Yugang Ha
• James Lee

Please let Pyro do all of the character pages reading that Jinyoung page was beautiful

Also I noticed we have an actual page for masteries? Since when? :0 (when are we gonna add signature moves?)

Idk what the term for thjs is but when are we gonna add a scaling chain? (You can look at the one at the bottom of the RQ page as an example of what I am talking about) I have the entire narrative chain scaling saved as PDF that I can share a copy of (since my version is indexed with the stats that I believe the characters to have)

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Welp, on the goodside, one way or another we are crossing the current AP cap tho

I can't believe the lowest calc went from 1 ton to 5 tons

I may not like James but that sure as hell won't stop me from using it in crossverse debates, RQ scalers will never hear the end of it LMAOOOO (watch them get like a multi city block level feat in 2 days and I am forced to go back into coping and seething)

 

[CatLover313]

If 2-3 calcs would be accepted, theres needed calc group discussion, because debate in calc comment section is pointless.

Another debate started in Viott's comment section lol. I'm tapped out and just want to wait for a CGM

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Another debate started in Viott's comment section lol. I'm tapped out and just want to wait for a CGM

PTJ and his inability to draw character heights consistently is gonna be the death of us lol

 

[CatLover313]

Also I noticed we have an actual page for masteries? Since when? :0 (when are we gonna add signature moves?)

Pyro made it a couple weeks ago. Probably won't have a section for signature moves as they're too different from one another to really find a commonality. Best to just add each individual signature move to the personal character's page.

Idk what the term for thjs is but when are we gonna add a scaling chain? (You can look at the one at the bottom of the RQ page as an example of what I am talking about) I have the entire narrative chain scaling saved as PDF that I can share a copy of (since my version is indexed with the stats that I believe the characters to have)

Keep hearing about a scaling chain, not against it, but I definitely don't want to be a part of it lol. If we think this calc discussion was long and bad, I feel like a scaling chain thread will reach 10 pages.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Pyro made it a couple weeks ago. Probably won't have a section for signature moves as they're too different from one another to really find a commonality. Best to just add each individual signature move to the personal character's page.

Keep hearing about a scaling chain, not against it, but I definitely don't want to be a part of it lol. If we think this calc discussion was long and bad, I feel like a scaling chain thread will reach 10 pages.

To be fair that's just the top tier scaling lol

Early series is really easy because PTJ used the trope of "new villain beats old villain to establish how strong they are" (Jin Jang < old boys < hostel uncle < hostel uncle duo) etc

It isn't until one night III and onward where we get actual narrative title scaling (King level) and 2A that things start to get a lot more vague and debateable) because everyone and their mom is king level but they are also not

Not like early series lookism was any better with crew head level but at least it made more sense with (16 year old crew head level < 17 year old crewhead level < 18 year old crewhead level to explain how apparently everyone is crewhead level yet still weaker than the actual crewheads lol)

 

[CatLover313]

To be fair that's just the top tier scaling lol

Early series is really easy because PTJ used the trope of "new villain beats old villain to establish how strong they are" (Jin Jang < old boys < hostel uncle < hostel uncle duo) etc

It isn't until one night III and onward where we get actual narrative title scaling (King level) and 2A that things start to get a lot more vague and debateable) because everyone and their mom is king level but they are also not

Not like early series lookism was any better with crew head level but at least it made more sense with (16 year old crew head level < 17 year old crewhead level < 18 year old crewhead level to explain how apparently everyone is crewhead level yet still weaker than the actual crewheads lol)

Yeah early series will probably be easy (or people wouldn't care too much tbh).

 

[Sigmagoon14]

I can't believe the lowest calc went from 1 ton to 5 tons

I may not like James but that sure as hell won't stop me from using it in crossverse debates, RQ scalers will never hear the end of it LMAOOOO (watch them get like a multi city block level feat in 2 days and I am forced to go back into coping and seething)

Wait, isn't their AP cap is still below 1 ToT? I thought RQ is only winning via haxes and Speed not in Pure AP brawls

 

[CatLover313]

Wait, isn't their AP cap is still below 1 ToT? I thought RQ is only winning via haxes and Speed not in Pure AP brawls

Even the speed is exaggerated tbh, it was mostly hax and the LS gap

 

[XxZetsuxX]

What is RQ?

 

[Sigmagoon14]

What is RQ?

Reality Quest Manhwa

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Reality Quest Manhwa

Ah

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Even the speed is exaggerated tbh, it was mostly hax and the LS gap

Damn I always thought their LS isn't effective cause of AP Gap

 

[CatLover313]

Damn I always thought their LS isn't effective cause of AP Gap

LS gap is effective if the AP-to-Durability gap wasn't too wide (Commonly seen you can crush/tear if the gap is within 5x and than 10x is controversial. Pinning/Holding/Throwing/Choking is always fair game no matter the gap though), but that might just be me on the VSBW LS Meta Community

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Wait, isn't their AP cap is still below 1 ToT? I thought RQ is only winning via haxes and Speed not in Pure AP brawls

Not according to their subreddit it isn't

I remember when we got the dumpster vapoeization feat and people were using to argue that chargeshot scales to the air pressure of a punch therfore his base AP is large building level (yes actual genuine argument I had with someone)

Or that shockwave at the end of S1 inside the warehouse was large building level (because shockwave inside big building = destroying large building)

Or people scaling all of them to massively hypersonic when the XXX fight came out because they assumed that dowan blitzing him with boosters happened in the same time frame as his assumed supersonic reaction time (which is NOT how blizting someone works because otherwise you could probably get lookism to MFTL speeds)

Or people scaling the garden feat to large building based on it looking impressive and somehow scaling the new cathedral feat to building (shattering a bunch of thick glass = large building, vaporzing a large cathedral so hard it forms a God damm mushroom cloud of doom and despair (LITERALLY) = building level)

Or trying to argue that Kitae/James and Jinyoung/Tom being 8-C doesn't make sense because their feats prior to the church feat are not consistent with 8-C (even though LITERALLY every single top tier in RQ's scaling hinges on the garden feat because they don't have feats of their own except Sunjae's small building feat in S1)

Though the hax is genuinely insane I'll give them that lol (PTJ PLEASE GIVE PB DANIEL PATH COPYING PLEASE I BEG YOU ON MY HANDS AND KNEEEEEES)

Sorry I've just been dealing with this for years and I wanted to get it out of my system

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Even the speed is exaggerated tbh, it was mostly hax and the LS gap

Speaking of since the speed thread FINALLY got approved after 6 months when are we gonna update the page's calc chain? Its really outdated because it still has Sunjae at MHS lol

 

[CatLover313]

Speaking of since the speed thread FINALLY got approved after 6 months when are we gonna update the page's calc chain? Its really outdated because it still has Sunjae at MHS lol

It should, I've just ignored it lol, no one reads/uses it anyway

 

[Sigmagoon14]

LS gap is effective if the AP-to-Durability gap wasn't too wide (Commonly seen you can crush/tear if the gap is within 5x and than 10x is controversial. Pinning/Holding/Throwing/Choking is always fair game no matter the gap though), but that might just be me on the VSBW LS Meta Community

My bad, I formed that thought from Dalesean's comment, if AP isn't relative, then higher LS is just compression.and didn't checked for how much gap is needed

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Not according to their subreddit it isn't

I remember when we got the dumpster vapoeization feat and people were using to argue that chargeshot scales to the air pressure of a punch therfore his base AP is large building level (yes actual genuine argument I had with someone)

Or that shockwave at the end of S1 inside the warehouse was large building level (because shockwave inside big building = destroying large building)

Or people scaling all of them to massively hypersonic when the XXX fight came out because they assumed that dowan blitzing him with boosters happened in the same time frame as his assumed supersonic reaction time (which is NOT how blizting someone works because otherwise you could probably get lookism to MFTL speeds)

Or people scaling the garden feat to large building based on it looking impressive and somehow scaling the new cathedral feat to building (shattering a bunch of thick glass = large building, vaporzing a large cathedral so hard it forms a God damm mushroom cloud of doom and despair (LITERALLY) = building level)

Or trying to argue that Kitae/James and Jinyoung/Tom being 8-C doesn't make sense because their feats prior to the church feat are not consistent with 8-C (even though LITERALLY every single top tier in RQ's scaling hinges on the garden feat because they don't have feats of their own except Sunjae's small building feat in S1)

Though the hax is genuinely insane I'll give them that lol (PTJ PLEASE GIVE PB DANIEL PATH COPYING PLEASE I BEG YOU ON MY HANDS AND KNEEEEEES)

Sorry I've just been dealing with this for years and I wanted to get it out of my system

Well, your first mistake is taking Reddit seriously. Not just RQ, but any manhwa subreddit shouldn't be taken seriously. For example, even in our own Lookism community there's genuinely a crowd who believes Samdak is a gag character and that the feats he showed in the non-canon chapter are real, despite the author literally saying those things aren't canon.

That's why I only go on that platform to ragebait others and rarely have genuine debates.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

It should, I've just ignored it lol, no one reads/uses it anyway

What about meeee

 

[CatLover313]

What about meeee

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Well, your first mistake is taking Reddit seriously. Not just RQ, but any manhwa subreddit shouldn't be taken seriously. For example, even in our own Lookism community there's genuinely a crowd who believes Samdak is a gag character and that the feats he showed in the non-canon chapter are real, despite the author literally saying those things aren't canon.

That's why I only go on that platform to ragebait others and rarely have genuine debates.

Fair enough, I hate how the reddit communities treat our site, I am not gonna pretend we here power scalers at vsbattleswiki.com.forum HQ are some objective unbiased judges (I am the greatest low baller to have ever lived, I personally still have most of the lookism cast at wall level except for the top tiers who range from small building to large building+/city block, but you won't hear me bitching about it just because the rest of the wiki has a different consesus because I know its my own personal opinion based on my own personal metrics and scaling rules that don't follow the forum rules), but reddit's consesus on whether or not we are biased/unbiased depends entierly on how high we scale the verse and it pisses me off because people cherry pick calcs from here (sometimes rejected ones)

If its high and suits their agenda = objective and true

If its low and doesn't suit their agenda = "vswiki is biased anyway..."