Is using subsonic reaction for these characters fine?

[Qurbonboev]

For calculation of blitzing feats, we usually use peak human or superhuman reaction time. To use anything higher, you would need some inverse statement for character having higher speed. Using calculated speed of the character would be calc stacking.
Susie is stated by narrator to be able to block sound waves from Ralsei nouth before they reach Lancer. She could react to it only after Ralsei starts talking, so it's not "aimdodging".
Can this narrator statement be considered as ingame statement of Susie having at least low end subsonic (reaction and movement) speed? (Which is 0.0291s)

If CGM, disagree with this notion, some calcs should be changed, since they use this justification to use 0.033s reaction timeframe for calculations.
If they do agree, following chars should have subsonic reactions:
1. Susie herself
2. Other Delta Warriors, who fight together with her.
3. SOUL (in battlebox only), since it representation of Delta Warriors (including Susie) in such segments. Note that if this CRT fails, I still would be interested in question of whether it should be allowed to assume for SOUL (in battlebox segments) to have at least superhuman movement speed using reasoning above.
4. Major antagonists, fight against whom has narrative importance.
5. Roaring Knight and Gerson
, who both blitz Susie with ease

 

[ElJoaki5]

Uhh first and foremost where is the 0.033 s even coming from

 

[Qurbonboev]

Uhh first and foremost where is the 0.033 s even coming from

I don't know. @Edutyn used it, CGM approved it.
I assume it makes some sense to use it in this calc, since Gerson appears simultaneously (within 1 frame) in many places, and it's clearly done via sheer speed. But not for other calcs. For these it should be either downgraded to superhuman reaction time, or upgraded to low end subsonic

 

[Qurbonboev]

Added new things to the OP

 

[Breadbear83]

In Chapter 4 there's more of this statements, dunno if for chapter 1 calcs you could as its only that statement supporting it

also, would significant speed blitz that fits Faster than Eye ratings count as direct showings of Subsonic speed even without statements nor calcs tho? theres likely some feats around that

 

[Edutyn]

I don't know. @Edutyn used it, CGM approved it.
I assume it makes some sense to use it in this calc, since Gerson appears simultaneously (within 1 frame) in many places, and it's clearly done via sheer speed. But not for other calcs. For these it should be either downgraded to superhuman reaction time, or upgraded to low end subsonic

My bad—when I was doing the calculation, I saw how strym did it on the other wiki and copied and pasted some parts, forgetting to change them afterward. If you’d like, I can recalc it.

 

[Qurbonboev]

In Chapter 4 there's more of this statements

What speed statements? Could you present them?

 

[Breadbear83]

What speed statements? Could you present them?

i meant rather the whole Chapter being related to Sound in the gameplay, and the sound of justice using sound, and all, dunno if its outright said in the chapter ´´i blocked a sound wave!´´ but sound of justice having that name and using sound counts, thats for Chapter 4 characters

i have seen verses like Demon Slayer being accepted for using assumed Transonic speed for Characters due to a character being stated to use sound a few times, and low tier characters dodging them

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

 

[Qurbonboev]

How it's relevant to us?

i meant rather the whole Chapter being related to Sound in the gameplay,

Not in the way we need here. Char could be shown to be faster than soundwaves, but you would still need statement

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

How it's relevant to us?

Not in the way we need here. Char could be shown to be faster than soundwaves, but you would still need statement

Divided the tornado speed by three

 

[Qurbonboev]

Divided the tornado speed by three

Even if it was considered real tornado, their speed vary considerably. And it wouldn't scale to reaction speed anyway

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Even if it was considered real tornado, their speed vary considerably. And it wouldn't scale to reaction speed anyway

What about Winglade attacks ?

 

[Qurbonboev]

What about Winglade attacks ?

Nothing.
Echidna, if you want to add something to this debate, please, first post it in discussion thread. I don't want this thread to be cluttered.

 

[Qurbonboev]

i have seen verses like Demon Slayer being accepted for using assumed Transonic speed for Characters due to a character being stated to use sound a few times, and low tier characters dodging them

In case if it considered as at least supporting evidence, many enemies do use sound based attacks, which we can dodge.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Bump

 

[ElJoaki5]

No, i dont agree with anything here working as a justification to use anything beyond 0.08 s for blitzing these characters

 

[Breadbear83]

No, i dont agree with anything here working as a justification to use anything beyond 0.08 s for blitzing these characters

Are there pages in the wiki about when it's really allowed using reactions beyond 0.08 s? Or it's informal?

 

[Qurbonboev]

No, i dont agree with anything here working as a justification to use anything beyond 0.08 s for blitzing these characters

Ok.
(In case of potential misunderstanding, Knight and Gerson would get subsonic reaction timeframe for blitzing Susie, only if she gets it herself).
I would wait for another CGM opinion just in case.

Also, this part

SOUL (in battlebox only), since it representation of Delta Warriors (including Susie) in such segments. Note that if this CRT fails, I still would be interested in question of whether it should be allowed to assume for SOUL (in battlebox segments) to have at least superhuman movement speed using reasoning above.

So if some projectile shown to be x8 faster than SOUL in battlebox, should it be ok to calculate it's speed as 12.43 * 8 = 99.44 m/s

 

[ElJoaki5]

Are there pages in the wiki about when it's really allowed using reactions beyond 0.08 s? Or it's informal?

There arent really. But you need like actual statements with a given time rather than "reacted to x which has y speed so has this perception speed" as an example of something valid maki perceiving stuff in 1/24 of a second.

 

[Qurbonboev]

snip

Opinion on this part

Also, this part

To add arguments SOUL is the thing that "does" most of the superhuman speed stuff (dodging sound, electric attacks, lasers, bullets)

 

[ElJoaki5]

Well i guess so yeah. I want more cgm input.