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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

From what I can remember First Order troopers had somewhat better training, and Finn definitely wasn’t the average stormtrooper either way. He was hitting 35 targets with 36 shots, so he was pretty exceptional.

That said, he probably should be 9-A from his movie feats.
Ehh Han and Chewy should scale to him regardless. So OT and PT folks should similarly get 9A scaing
 
The Mando movie is a solid adventure film; it's not a great movie, but all the biggest complaints I've seen are about the film not being about a major event that affects the rest of the galaxy (which the film never intended to do), and instead being a self-contained adventure.

The highlights of the film for me were the action sequences, the practical effects, and the part of the film focused on Grogu having to take care of Mando in the forest.
 
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Ehh Han and Chewy should scale to him regardless. So OT and PT folks should similarly get 9A scaing
What is the reasoning for Han Solo scaling to Finn? I’m not against it per se, but I don’t know if there are any direct comparisons between Han and Finn.

From the pages, Old Stormtrooper armor had a higher resistance specifically against blasters. Chewbacca already scales to 9-A.

Either way, knocking out a stormtrooper isn’t 9-A, since we’ve seen them KO’d by less. You’d need to break the armor.
 
The Mando movie is a solid adventure film; it's not a great movie, but all the biggest complaints I've seen are about the film not being about a major event that affects the rest of the galaxy (which the film never intended to do), and instead being a self-contained adventure.

The highlights of the film for me were the action sequences, the practical effects, and the part of the film focused on Grogu having to take care of Mando in the forest.
Lol my favorite non-action parts just happened not to involve Din. I loved Grogu’s mini character arc, and it was very interesting seeing him doing things independently from Din, instead of just being an cutesy pandering toy merchandise character. I would’ve liked more emotional scenes with Din (when he’s actually active).
My favorite scene in the movie, is actually a small moment in the larger sequence of Grogu taking care of Din, while he’s poisoned. I loved his response when Mando seemed like he was dead after he getting the antidote, was to remain by his side. It was probably the most moving scene within live action Star Wars, in a while.
 
You mean the guy with his second move being innefective? Yeah good meme...

You mean the guy with huge AoEs just like Yoda?
Do they have resistance to lightsabers? Furthermore, the TK can be used to lift them into the air and pull them towards Vader. Vader also has a large AoE.
 
For the record, I'm probably gonna set out to redo both Maul and Qui-Gon next. Maul because I get to make fun of his Shadow Lord/Rebels key for being inquisitor-tier and getting dunked on by Year 1 Vader with aid on Maul's end, and to really hammer in his overconfidence as a weakness for why he got his ass cut in half by a ******* Jedi Knight-tier character, amps or no.

And Qui-Gon because favorite Jedi period.
 
Can a lightsaber ever hit them?

Class M vs Class G. If they don't want to go, they are not at all required to. And even then, have fun hitting them even in that way.

That he uses basically never.
Considering precognition, sense reading, and mind reading/memory, I think so.

Unless they can fly, that's irrelevant. Their superior LS doesn't prevent Vader from lifting them off the ground and pulling them (as he did other times). This has been discussed several times in vsthreads.

But the point is that he uses it, even much more than Yoda, as far as I remember. He can even use Force Stasis to paralyze them.
 
Considering precognition, sense reading, and mind reading/memory, I think so.
I want you to look at the Roaring Knight fight and tell me with a straight face that that shit is happening lmfao
Unless they can fly, that's irrelevant. Their superior LS doesn't prevent Vader from lifting them off the ground and pulling them (as he did other times). This has been discussed several times in vsthreads.
Yes indeedy, all of them can fly(or at least mimick that, in Gerson's case.)
But the point is that he uses it, even much more than Yoda, as far as I remember. He can even use Force Stasis to paralyze them.
I know he does in Legends, but he's mostly a melee brick with some force powers to use in canon
 
For the record, I'm probably gonna set out to redo both Maul and Qui-Gon next. Maul because I get to make fun of his Shadow Lord/Rebels key for being inquisitor-tier and getting dunked on by Year 1 Vader with aid on Maul's end, and to really hammer in his overconfidence as a weakness for why he got his ass cut in half by a ******* Jedi Knight-tier character, amps or no.

And Qui-Gon because favorite Jedi period.
To be fair, in Rebels Maul was very weakened, and yet he fought against 3 Inquisitors at the same time and subdued the Seventh Sister with TK.
 
To be fair, in Rebels Maul was very weakened, and yet he fought against 3 Inquisitors at the same time and subdued the Seventh Sister with TK.
They mostly came at him one at a time, and remember what you said about Dooku TKing Kenobi? And honestly, I mainly want to get that ******* "cOmPaRaBlE tO aHsOkA" off his profile, cause he went through like 3 nerfs since season 7, and he LOST that fight lmfao
 
I know he does in Legends, but he's mostly a melee brick with some force powers to use in canon
He actually uses the Force and TK powers quite a bit in the comics and novels.

He's not much of a wall.

Unless he wants to farm aura, like against the Ender.

They mostly came at him one at a time, and remember what you said about Dooku TKing Kenobi? And honestly, I mainly want to get that ******* "cOmPaRaBlE tO aHsOkA" off his profile, cause he went through like 3 nerfs since season 7, and he LOST that fight lmfao
The thing is, in the case of the seventh sister, she was trapped in the Force Choke for quite a long time. Much longer than other characters like Kenobi and Dooku, Vader and Sidious, Vader and Kirak, etc. So either she was stupid not to even try, or she couldn't break free. Like Cal in Fallen Order, even if he tried, he couldn't break free from the Force Choke; this is further highlighted by the scene where he tries to pull his lightsaber away and Vader subdues it with telekinesis.

If you're going to rework Dooku, it would be important to have an AoTc key since Dooku ~ Yoda in the movie. It's important for downscaling.
 
He actually uses the Force and TK powers quite a bit in the comics and novels.

He's not much of a wall.

Unless he wants to farm aura, like against the Ender.
Maybe. Like I said when you asked me if I wanted to do papa palps, Empire era slash Vader stuff is more your thing.
The thing is, in the case of the seventh sister, she was trapped in the Force Choke for quite a long time. Much longer than other characters like Kenobi and Dooku, Vader and Sidious, Vader and Kirak, etc. So either she was stupid not to even try,
It's the Seventh Sister. She grinned like an idiot when Ezra refused to kill her. She's pretty stupid.
If you're going to rework Dooku, it would be important to have an AoTc key since Dooku ~ Yoda in the movie. It's important for downscaling.
Was that stated? Cause they fought for quite literally 30 seconds and Dooku went nope and distracted Yoda so he could escape. And Dooku was hardcore sweating after the fact.
 
It's the Seventh Sister. She grinned like an idiot when Ezra refused to kill her. She's pretty stupid.
True

Was that stated? Cause they fought for quite literally 30 seconds and Dooku went nope and distracted Yoda so he could escape.
Yes.
(Dooku was one of the Jedi most skilled with a sword, on par with Yoda and Mace Windu)

(Dooku and Yoda were too evenly matched)

There's also an add-on on Disney+.

They say that in the film's audio description, during the fight between the two, the following is described:
"Their savers momentarily lock - criss crossed - as they match each other's strength"
But I don't have Disney+ so I can't check.

It's a situation where, despite being comparable, he couldn't defeat Yoda. Like, Yoda vs. Sidious. There are statements saying one is stronger, and the other is stronger, but there's one particularly interesting one that says they were so evenly matched that neither could defeat the other. I think it's a similar case.
 
'''Key:''' '''The Phantom Menace''' | '''Clone Wars''' | '''Maul: Shadow Lord''' | '''Rebels'''

This is Maul's key section since Qui-Gon doesn't have enough to warrant one. I was tempted to separate Seasons 4-6 from Season 7 for Clone Wars, but I don't particularly think his power changes enough to warrant it. I also need to do Savage because funni 2v1 matches (Nobody is gonna be able to 2v1 or them outside of in-verse...)

Not really interested in Savage but I'm doing Maul anyways, and I don't really need to go out of my way to get to the few things Savage does that Maul isn't a part of.
 
'''Key:''' '''The Phantom Menace''' | '''Clone Wars''' | '''Maul: Shadow Lord''' | '''Rebels'''

This is Maul's key section since Qui-Gon doesn't have enough to warrant one. I was tempted to separate Seasons 4-6 from Season 7 for Clone Wars, but I don't particularly think his power changes enough to warrant it. I also need to do Savage because funni 2v1 matches (Nobody is gonna be able to 2v1 or them outside of in-verse...)

Not really interested in Savage but I'm doing Maul anyways, and I don't really need to go out of my way to get to the few things Savage does that Maul isn't a part of.
From what I remember, it has a small power increase during TCW derived from the databank, but I can see that when I do the gallery. Besides that, not much enough for new keys.
 
From what I remember, it has a small power increase during TCW derived from the databank, but I can see that when I do the gallery. Besides that, not much enough for new keys.
Basically yeah.

Mother Talzin has Sound Manipulation by the way, since I'm watching Savage's shit fully now, and in Monster she displays it. Dunno if it's there already though
 
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How many times had they then abused the people who dug the tenth-level mud to secure the only protection against a poison sun?

Mace was pulled back to the moment by a blaster bolt aimed at his head. His precognitive sense through the Force worked better than ever, and his arms moved without conscious thought, finding the perfect angle to send that bolt back to the soldier who had pulled the trigger.
Another scan of Jedi precognition.

Another statement of "no conscious thought."

And another statement of wielding the lightsaber at the perfect angle.

We already have more than 15 scans just about Jedi precognition.
 
Oh, and you're getting the in-depth Reaper AP section rather than the "I need to truncate this" shit with Savage. Prepare to have your eyes assaulted.
 
Oh, and you're getting the in-depth Reaper AP section rather than the "I need to truncate this" shit with Savage. Prepare to have your eyes assaulted.
Off-topic from what you said, wow, I have to make a research map because in the Obi-Wan research I forgot the most important thing, the databank lol.

I can't take screenshots of the databank because they're huge.

Like the Obi-Wan databank. There's the story section which is a long text, and his gallery which has like 68 images, each with an explanatory text.

Not to mention that in the databank each episode of a series, like TCW, has two galleries: one for the episode itself which explains the episodes in detail (sometimes implicitly) and another which may be for trivia or concept art.

Since it's huge, I don't remember things, and since it's huge I can't just take screenshots.

Since you're rewatching parts of TCW, I recommend that after watching an episode you find interesting, you check the episode gallery, as it may contain some good extra information.
 

Let the wankening of Clone Wars Maul begin!

There's a statement in one of the Fanhome encyclopedia books that Maul has returned stronger than ever; we have the statement and the exact source of the book.

However, none of the videos showing the book show all the pages for us to know, so it depends on whether you want to use it or not.
 
There's a statement in one of the Fanhome encyclopedia books that Maul has returned stronger than ever; we have the statement and the exact source of the book.

However, none of the videos showing the book show all the pages for us to know, so it depends on whether you want to use it or not.
The fact he's a major threat to Clone Wars Obi-Wan already proves superiority, so I might not use it.
 
City level+ (Stated to be in the same caliber as Maul during The Phantom Menace. Even before he was inbued with Nightsister Magic, Savage was capable of having an extended fight with Asajj Ventress, and was referred to as "Strong" by Mother Talzin. After he was imbued with power and strength, he was able to easily strangle Asajj Ventress, with her having to order him to release her. Capable of stomping Jedi Masters and one-shotting Padawans with little effort. Capable of ragdolling Count Dooku, Asajj Ventress, Anakin Skywalker, and Obi-Wan Kenobi, with the latter two being at the same time.)

Savage's current AP section, expect more.
 
I was planning to. You got any sources for it?

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City level+ (Stated to be in the same caliber as Maul during The Phantom Menace. Even before he was inbued with Nightsister Magic, Savage was capable of having an extended fight with Asajj Ventress, and was referred to as "Strong" by Mother Talzin. After he was imbued with power and strength, he was able to easily strangle Asajj Ventress, with her having to order him to release her. Capable of stomping Jedi Masters and one-shotting Padawans with little effort. Capable of ragdolling Count Dooku, Asajj Ventress, Anakin Skywalker, and Obi-Wan Kenobi, with the latter two being at the same time.)

Savage's current AP section, expect more.
You don't want me to do the scan gallery first?

I don't know which one you want first, Maul or Savage.

We have a statement from Dooku in TCW saying that Savage's power grew every day.
 
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You don't want me to do the scan gallery first?
I can edit things later, as I've said before, I can handle the main stuff, it's side stuff I can get issues with.
I don't know which one you want first, Maul or Savage.
I'm doing both at the same time, pick whichever one you prefer.
We have a statement from Dooku in TCW saying that Savage's power grew every day.
Yep, I actually already did that
 
The fact he's a major threat to Clone Wars Obi-Wan already proves superiority, so I might not use it.
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Maul made sure Savage understood his place in the Sith hierarchy. Though Savage wanted to rule equally with his brother, Maul reminded Savage of the rule of the Sith: that one must be Master, and the other an apprentice. Maul was growing in power, and Savage had no choice but to bow to his brother.
Maul is stronger at the start of TCW than in TPM, and throughout TCW he grows in power.
 
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