[0-7-0] Give it a sec' for the pain to start - Jiren vs Angelo & Diablo

[Nonynho]

• First things first - Speed equal
• Fight's at an indestructible arena
• Suppressed Jiren used
  • This guy scales to "the base 6 Universes feat" from DB as a verse
  • Angelo & Diablo may have the profile's stats saying he scales to Delta Dragonoid, but he beat the living s* out of a guy who fights against Ultimate Dragonoid, the one performing "the base 6 Universes feat" from Bakugan as a verse

Basically the most impressive fella -

Coolest conceivable bakugan - @Apollonir.Scale, @Nonynho, @ReverseCross, @TheRealDababye, @BlackDarkness679, @Pyro9278, @Ozcantabak

They're both aliens lol (incon) -

 

[Mickey1940]

ur pitting Jiren, a guy who scales to Baseline 6U, against 2 guys (i think?) who canonically stomp a baseline 6U

am I missing smthn or is this a stomp

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I never thought I'd be defending Angelo & Diablo in the great year 2026. Life is full of surprises.

Jiren's LS advantage is largely insignificant. Because Aquos Bakugan can transform themselves into water. This way, he can escape being drowned by Jiren's muscular arms.

He can trap Jiren inside this shield. If Jiren hits the shield, his power will decrease.

He can scare him with Ghost Cell. I don't know how Jiren can escape the scare effect.

We have a Bakugan with a lot of power nulls. With Shade ability and Water Refrain, he can negate Jiren's abilities.

If Jiren approaches for melee, he can negate his stat increases with Fire Wall.

From what I can see, Jiren has no resistance to paralysis stimulant. With Saiam Low, he can restrict his movements and neutralize his power.

Besides these, he can increase his own power, and this is a significant increase. He has an aquos ability that increases his own strength as much as it increases his opponent's.

He has a size advantage. How can Jiren fight someone as big as a building?

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

2 guys (i think?) who canonically stomp a baseline 6U

Actually, they aren't two people. They are two beings but one body. This means they can switch places as much as they want, but they can't both attack Jiren at the same time. When they want to switch places, they do a backflip.

 

[Nonynho]

ur pitting Jiren, a guy who scales to Baseline 6U, against 2 guys (i think?) who canonically stomp a baseline 6U

am I missing smthn or is this a stomp

He just sent the guy flying while he had no reaction, that is certainly not the case for Jiren

I also think nobody would say Diablo and Angelo could stomp Ultimate Dragonoid, so that shouldn't be the case for the guy who scales to him either

 

[Nonynho]

I never thought I'd be defending Angelo & Diablo in the great year 2026. Life is full of surprises.

I never thought i'd see Bakugan being up to date, of course i'd love to see Angelo & Diablo fight if that were to be the case

He can scare him with Ghost Cell. I don't know how Jiren can escape the scare effect.

Willpower is a very large part of DB as a verse and Rage Power is a very large part of this guy's kit, both are decent ways to deal with fear manip/scare effects

We have a Bakugan with a lot of power nulls. With Shade ability and Water Refrain, he can negate Jiren's abilities.

If Jiren approaches for melee, he can negate his stat increases with Fire Wall.

Jiren, being a very cqc oriented fighter should be heavily affected by Fire Wall, but the power nulls shouldn't be a large bother for him iirc

He can trap Jiren inside this shield. If Jiren hits the shield, his power will decrease.

I can see the shield being broken by Jiren rasing his Ki... eventually.



The problem is that it's Jiren's fight style to supress himself less and less as time passes, and he highly outskills, so if he has the chance to have a prolonged CQC stuff might get complicated for Diablo, but i see Angelo not having a muuuuuuch difficult time impeding this from happening and beating him low-mid diff

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Willpower is a very large part of DB as a verse and Rage Power is a very large part of this guy's kit, both are decent ways to deal with fear manip/scare effects

But those affected by Ghost Cell can't use abilities. Ace had to play Trap Bakugan for Percival to escape.

I can see the shield being broken by Jiren rasing his Ki... eventually.

This shield can't be broken with AP, though. And there's something else I forgot to mention: you can't use abilities while inside the shield. So you probably won't be able to empower yourself with Ki.

 

[Nonynho]

But those affected by Ghost Cell can't use abilities. Ace had to play Trap Bakugan for Percival to escape.

Rage Power and Supernatural Willpower are not abilities per se, he's just very brave and also getting very very mad, to the point he's not scare-able lol

And there's something else I forgot to mention: you can't use abilities while inside the shield. So you probably won't be able to empower yourself with Ki.

Then i think the problem will be trapping him inside the shield. Besides most ki users being able to use Analytical Prediction,

• Greater Analytical Prediction (Analyzed the movement of the fast-moving Kachi Katchin and determined that there was no need to dodge. Can predict Hit's movements while using Time-Skip, which can skip and stop time freely to mislead opponents. Even after observing Goku and Kefla's battle, was able to predict Goku's every move in Ultra Instinct -Sign-)

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Rage Power and Supernatural Willpower are not abilities per se, he's just very brave and also getting very very mad, to the point he's not scare-able lol

I understand, so it comes from his talent.

Then i think the problem will be trapping him inside the shield. Besides most ki users being able to use Analytical Prediction,

Is this a hax ability so good that it knows everything about the opponent's abilities?

I don't think this ability is something that sticks to the opponent. The light comes out directly, and as soon as the opponent sees the light, they fall inside the shield.

 

[Nonynho]

Is this a hacking ability so good that it knows everything about the opponent's abilities?

No, he just predicts movements very very well, out of sheer skill

I don't think this ability is something that sticks to the opponent. The light comes out directly, and as soon as the opponent sees the light, they fall inside the shield.

It does seem like something he can avoid being affected by via dodging, per the description

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Nonynho]

Bump

 

[ReverseCross]

Angelo diablo FRA

 

[TheRealDababye]

There is no world where Jiren wins, bakugan character beats top DBS I see...

 

[Mickey1940]

He just sent the guy flying while he had no reaction, that is certainly not the case for Jiren

I also think nobody would say Diablo and Angelo could stomp Ultimate Dragonoid, so that shouldn't be the case for the guy who scales to him either

wdym?

didn't you say in the OP that Diablo and Angelo could clobber someone who's on par with Ultimate Dragonoid?, who's baseline 6U?

Suppressed Jiren is on par with Initial UIO Goku, who is also basline 6U. Making this just Base Jiren instead of Suppressed Jiren might make things more fair since Base Jiren significantly upscales from baseline 6U

 

[Nonynho]

didn't you say in the OP that Diablo and Angelo could clobber someone who's on par with Ultimate Dragonoid?, who's baseline 6U?

That is to say he's able to scale to that, despite his profile saying he scales to a prior form of Dragonoid

The chain should go [Clobbered guy ~ A&D ~ Ultimate Dragonoid], because A&D jumped the guy but that guy fought Ultimate Dragonoid, who A&D are not able to do something like that

Have the message got through? if not i can try again

Making this just Base Jiren instead of Suppressed Jiren might make things more fair since Base Jiren significantly upscales from baseline 6U

That'd require using a Dragonoid full of haxes and then it'd become a boring ass hax battle where one has something very specific and takes weeks for grace to start (and the Dragonoid i'd say scale to him has A F* TON OF HAXES including literally the DNA of all existing bakugan)

There is no world where Jiren wins, bakugan character beats top DBS I see...

kinda
Hakai should be too much for them so no Toppo, Beerus, Belmod etc
They have no way get past UI, so not even UI Sign
And anything beyond the ToP scales too high for Bakugan without hax to endure

Jiren has a chance here because of his very very good prediction and how much he outskills, but if any of Angelo's kit works it's basically gg

Will count you as a voter, tell me if i shouldn't. Speaking of which

Angelo diablo FRA

.

I'll add both of you and myself as A&D voters, tell me if i shouldn't and i'll remove it

 

[BlackDarkness679]

The angel and devil chameleon bakugan FRA

 

[TheRealDababye]

That is to say he's able to scale to that, despite his profile saying he scales to a prior form of Dragonoid

The chain should go [Clobbered guy ~ A&D ~ Ultimate Dragonoid], because A&D jumped the guy but that guy fought Ultimate Dragonoid, who A&D are not able to do something like that

Have the message got through? if not i can try again


That'd require using a Dragonoid full of haxes and then it'd become a boring ass hax battle where one has something very specific and takes weeks for grace to start (and the Dragonoid i'd say scale to him has A F* TON OF HAXES including literally the DNA of all existing bakugan)


kinda
Hakai should be too much for them so no Toppo, Beerus, Belmod etc
They have no way get past UI, so not even UI Sign
And anything beyond the ToP scales too high for Bakugan without hax to endure

Jiren has a chance here because of his very very good prediction and how much he outskills, but if any of Angelo's kit works it's basically gg

Will count you as a voter, tell me if i shouldn't. Speaking of which



I'll add both of you and myself as A&D voters, tell me if i shouldn't and i'll remove it

Yes, it's a stomp for bakugan character

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Pyro9278]

Angelo diablo FRA

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Ozcantabak]

Voting angelo diablo if it isn't a stomp

 

[Nonynho]

Voting angelo diablo if it isn't a stomp

This ain't a stomp, barrier technique is the main D&A hax and it may possibly be broken lol

 

[Mickey1940]

so wait, how far do Angelo and Diablo scale into 6U?

 

[Mickey1940]

ok so if Angelo and Diablo scale to stomping a baseline 6U then I'll lean towards Jiren

I was wrong about Jiren's scaling chain.

6U Baseline = Initial UIO Goku <<< Second UIO Goku <<< SSJ2 Kefla (can 1 shot UIO2 Goku with a direct hit) < Post UIO2 SSGSS KKx20 Goku + SSGSSE Vegeta <<< Third UIO Goku < Base Jiren

so Jiren is multiple 1 shot levels above baseline 6U while Angelo and Diablo are 1 1 shot level above basline 6U

so what's stopping Jiren from just doing his signature glare before Angelo and Diablo pull out their hax and debuffs

 

[Nonynho]

I was wrong about Jiren's scaling chain.

You're quite wrong on that scaling chain, because Jiren scales to Gods of Destruction, who are the baseline 6U (remember that baseline 6U = "two gods of destruction fighting destroys two universesssss"), which definetely ain't the case for Kefla by any means lol

 

[Mickey1940]

You're quite wrong on that scaling chain, because Jiren scales to Gods of Destruction, who are the baseline 6U (remember that baseline 6U = "two gods of destruction fighting destroys two universesssss"), which definetely ain't the case for Kefla by any means lol

anime Jiren scales way above the gods of destruction since even the likes of UIO1 Goku scales above the 6U minimum

Low Multiverse level (In Ultra Instinct Omen, he traded blows with a heavily suppressed Jiren, and his Ki alone was able to shake the entire World of Void, which was completely unaffected by the fight between three Gods of Destruction, with a fight between two Gods of Destruction being taboo since it will result in the destruction of two universes, each of which consists of 6 space-time continuums)

also can I just say that Goku's profile has really dogshit formatting

 

[Nonynho]

since even the likes of UIO1 Goku scales above the 6U minimum

UI being 6 Universes is because of comparing to Jiren, so UIO1 =/= 6 Universes lol

 

[Mickey1940]

UI being 6 Universes is because of comparing to Jiren, so UIO1 =/= 6 Universes lol

several characters in the show are 6U, and Jiren mogs all of them

Jiren scales to 6U since he was able to shake the World of Void, which was completely unaffected by the fight between three Gods of Destruction, with a fight between two Gods of Destruction being taboo since it will result in the destruction of two universes, each of which consists of 6 space-time continuums

but it's not nearly as simple as that

1. UIO1 Goku did the exact same feat, and UIO1 was surpassed by literally every character I listed above several times over to such an extent that every character in the list can 1 shot UIO1 (besides Hit I think), some characters can even 1 shot UIO2 (anyone who scales to or above SSJ2 Kefla, which is actually most of them), and several characters can 1 shot each other

2. Jiren did the same feat by just walking
Low Multiverse level (Simply by walking, he was able to shake the World of Void)


so Jiren should SIGNIFICANTLY upscale from the 6U feat

 

[Nonynho]

Well, can't we just say both are basically around a one-shot up from Baseline 6U and move on?

 

[Mickey1940]

Well, can't we just say both are basically around a one-shot up from Baseline 6U and move on?

Jiren has several one shot layers, that's the main problem

if they're the same level of power then it's just a stomp and the bakugan just outhax

giving Jiren the AP advantage at least makes it more interesting

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I'd like to correct one misconception.

Angelo and Diablo don't one-shot Druman. Diablo deals damage with kicks. Preyas was more of a one-shotter. But we can say they are comparable.

I don't know about DBS. Even if Jiren has an AP advantage, Angelo's light shield can't be penetrated by AP.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I'm also asking because I don't know. In High 3-A and above tiers, can characters of the same tier be ranked based on their one-shot kill levels?

In other words, for every 2-C character with a one-shot kill, do you move up one tier? I thought that in the same tier, characters who destroy universes/dimensions with the same number of one-shot kills received equal AP in versus threads.

 

[Mickey1940]

I'm also asking because I don't know. In High 3-A and above tiers, can characters of the same tier be ranked based on their one-shot kill levels?

In other words, for every 2-C character with a one-shot kill, do you move up one tier? I thought that in the same tier, characters who destroy universes/dimensions with the same number of one-shot kills received equal AP in versus threads.

1 shots don't give you higher tier ratings

if you 1 shot a 2C that scales to 6 Universes, it doesn't make u able to destroy 7 unless explicitly proven otherwise through feats

I don't know about DBS. Even if Jiren has an AP advantage, Angelo's light shield can't be penetrated by AP.

Can they put up the light shield before Jiren literally looks at him and glares him to death?

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Can they put up the light shield before Jiren literally looks at him and glares him to death?

Can Jiren incapacitate someone with just a glance? If so, they could overcome this using power null.

 

[Mickey1940]

Can Jiren incapacitate someone with just a glance? If so, they could overcome this using power null.

he looks at people and they take damage from his attacks

if Jiren is several 1 shot levels above the Bakugan then they just get splattered

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

They could also escape by turning into water. If they turn into water, they would technically avoid making eye contact with Jiren.