Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

[Makai641001]

I just think you make some good points in some of them, like people shouldn't be creating spite threads.

I checked under my bed still

 

[Bossbrosish]

So who's going to be in charge of applying the tier downgrade? There's a lot of profiles being affected once the 24 hours are up.

(Also please as statistic values to the profiles, I beg)

 

[Makai641001]

So who's going to be in charge of applying the tier downgrade? There's a lot of profiles being affected once the 24 hours are up.

(Also please as statistic values to the profiles, I beg)

OP Will probably apply it

 

[Demon_Lord18]

"DK would die from a level 6 attack, so treating level 4 is an outlier. They should scale to level 5."

Did people actually read the arguments or just agree with the thread for the sake of agreeing? The arguments aimed to limit the verse to level 6, while we have on-screen feats of at least level 5-C. Many called the level 4 feat an outlier just because Cath said he would destroy Britannia, but at the same time agreed they should scale to level 5. That’s quite contradictory.

An attack combining a fraction of the Sun’s Grace with Merlin’s magic could annihilate matter within a 16 km radius. The final attack of the Sins, however, was capable of achieving far more than that together. Restricting this attack to level 6 is a joke, especially since Nakaba clearly states that it can annihilate matter, which implicitly refers to the conversion of mass into energy, as in the formula E=mc2

 

[Bossbrosish]

especially since Nakaba clearly states that it can annihilate matter, which implicitly refers to the conversion of mass into energy, as in the formula E=mc2

Pretty sure this would just be vaporization instead of being E=mc2 due to the rules

 

[Makai641001]

"DK would die from a level 6 attack, so treating level 4 is an outlier. They should scale to level 5."

Did people actually read the arguments or just agree with the thread for the sake of agreeing? The arguments aimed to limit the verse to level 6, while we have on-screen feats of at least level 5-C. Many called the level 4 feat an outlier just because Cath said he would destroy Britannia, but at the same time agreed they should scale to level 5. That’s quite contradictory.

An attack combining a fraction of the Sun’s Grace with Merlin’s magic could annihilate matter within a 16 km radius. The final attack of the Sins, however, was capable of achieving far more than that together. Restricting this attack to level 6 is a joke, especially since Nakaba clearly states that it can annihilate matter, which implicitly refers to the conversion of mass into energy, as in the formula E=mc2

Don’t be salty the thread was doomed since page 1 when everyone actually voted without hearing any counter argument.

They then fed each others votes we’ll wait for EOS 4kota and make a more detailed thread.

I will also adress ues.

For now let’s put god tiers at tier 5

We actually need to do quality work on both the profiles and the CRTs to make sure everything is easy to understand for everyone

Most of the votes didn’t even know about the verse and voted cause we did not prepare shit it’s my/our bad

 

[Jey-kun52]

Don’t be salty the thread was doomed since page 1 when everyone actually voted without hearing any counter argument.

They then fed each others votes we’ll wait for EOS 4kota and make a more detailed thread.

I will also adress ues.

For now let’s put god tiers at tier 5

We actually need to do quality work on both the profiles and the CRTs to make sure everything is easy to understand for everyone

Most of the votes didn’t even know about the verse and voted cause we did not prepare shit it’s my/our bad

+ include the speed issues

 

[Jey-kun52]

"DK would die from a level 6 attack, so treating level 4 is an outlier. They should scale to level 5."

Did people actually read the arguments or just agree with the thread for the sake of agreeing? The arguments aimed to limit the verse to level 6, while we have on-screen feats of at least level 5-C. Many called the level 4 feat an outlier just because Cath said he would destroy Britannia, but at the same time agreed they should scale to level 5. That’s quite contradictory.

An attack combining a fraction of the Sun’s Grace with Merlin’s magic could annihilate matter within a 16 km radius. The final attack of the Sins, however, was capable of achieving far more than that together. Restricting this attack to level 6 is a joke, especially since Nakaba clearly states that it can annihilate matter, which implicitly refers to the conversion of mass into energy, as in the formula E=mc2

Ahh the oligarchy moment

 

[Zezu1995]

one thing i dislike is people agreeing without reasons. and you seeing stuff like "yes please nuke the page back to tier ??" that clearly shows they didnt read nor care just wanted a downgrade. this whole vswiki needs to change how things are agreed and disagreed on

 

[Trihexa102]

one thing i dislike is people agreeing without reasons. and you seeing stuff like "yes please nuke the page back to tier ??" that clearly shows they didnt read nor care just wanted a downgrade. this whole vswiki needs to change how things are agreed and disagreed on

agree with this ngl

 

[Makai641001]

one thing i dislike is people agreeing without reasons. and you seeing stuff like "yes please nuke the page back to tier ??" that clearly shows they didnt read nor care just wanted a downgrade. this whole vswiki needs to change how things are agreed and disagreed on

Threads should be built in a way where EVERY single counter argument is answered and agreed on 1 by 1 it would avoid people just dodging points and actually be better since votes wouldn’t count anymore in case New evidence is found/given maybe controversial threads should be moved after a certain number of pages/hours of back and forth

See, I started to discuss UES at first and abandonned cause I plan an entire page about it on the verse page and obviously multiple people don’t really know what UES is (the fact that it doesn’t need to be always active or that not every character need to have it and that CC does not invalidate it at all on top of being nuked) then we got to Cath’s shield and basically everyone agreed on it being tier 4 but « outlier » cause no other physical feats.

I then gave multiple physical feats more or less valid and people only started giving credit/asking good questions when the thread went Staff only…

If not for the thread being moved my arguments would have NEVER been heard.

I think staffs are the only competent people in this website (for most at least) and only them can really ask the good questions about something, other people will spam bs about « prove it’s the entirety of Chaos » when it’s litteraly written and then miss on your message due to people spamming (I was the main one spamming due to being in a 1v19228393 tho lol)

 

[Zezu1995]

they better not make that speed crt. im going all out in the war . "omg how do we know its really light? " the same damn way we agree its real fire when its used in every other damn verse.

 

[Bossbrosish]

then we got to Cath’s shield and basically everyone agreed on it being tier 4

I'm pretty sure no one agreed that Cath's shield is Tier 4 in the thread

 

[Makai641001]

I'm pretty sure no one agreed that Cath's shield is Tier 4 in the thread

Everyone did, cause it is.

What was discussed is if it’s an outlier

No one could actually argue against it without going against Cath statement.

+ I had PM’s with staff members that told me it works and should be used if we can prove it’s not an outlier

In fact just like UES, being able to channel the energy inside of a weapon/shield would obviously qualify.

I’ll prepare a thread when 4kota ends and make a UES page and actually give scans about all the physical feats in order to make sure staffs have every info they need.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Everyone did, cause it is.

No one agreed that Cath's shield was tier 4. It was either refuted or questioned as legitimate for scaling. The only person I found who somewhat acknowledged the Tier 4 shield being a thing was Neirre. (using somewhat since Neirre was following the thread loosely) And the entire shield thing was called circulatory.

What was discussed is if it’s an outlier

No one could actually argue against it without going against Cath statement.

Lots of people were arguing against the shield/ asking for proof of it scaling to it being 4-B

In fact just like UES, being able to channel the energy inside of a weapon/shield would obviously qualify.

I’ll prepare a thread when 4kota ends and make a UES page and actually give scans about all the physical feats in order to make sure staffs have every info they need.

Good luck with that UES page, and I suggest you add scans for the weapon/shield stuff when the time comes for that thread

 

[Zezu1995]

chaotic force is just chaos power being used so if it says "all he could" then ya he used ALL and to answer the question of him having magic left... he had magic BEFORE he had chaos power anyways. also why is chaos creation still being talked about? you can debate SD/DK but chaos has always shown to be almost instant.

 

[karo_senpaii]

"DK would die from a level 6 attack, so treating level 4 is an outlier. They should scale to level 5."

Did people actually read the arguments or just agree with the thread for the sake of agreeing? The arguments aimed to limit the verse to level 6, while we have on-screen feats of at least level 5-C. Many called the level 4 feat an outlier just because Cath said he would destroy Britannia, but at the same time agreed they should scale to level 5. That’s quite contradictory.

An attack combining a fraction of the Sun’s Grace with Merlin’s magic could annihilate matter within a 16 km radius. The final attack of the Sins, however, was capable of achieving far more than that together. Restricting this attack to level 6 is a joke, especially since Nakaba clearly states that it can annihilate matter, which implicitly refers to the conversion of mass into energy, as in the formula E=mc2

All I'll advice you is check your tier 5 calcs. Check and recheck and make sure they are accurate.

Also H6A is still tier 6

 

[karo_senpaii]

Threads should be built in a way where EVERY single counter argument is answered and agreed on 1 by 1 it would avoid people just dodging points and actually be better since votes wouldn’t count anymore in case New evidence is found/given maybe controversial threads should be moved after a certain number of pages/hours of back and forth

See, I started to discuss UES at first and abandonned cause I plan an entire page about it on the verse page and obviously multiple people don’t really know what UES is (the fact that it doesn’t need to be always active or that not every character need to have it and that CC does not invalidate it at all on top of being nuked) then we got to Cath’s shield and basically everyone agreed on it being tier 4 but « outlier » cause no other physical feats.

I then gave multiple physical feats more or less valid and people only started giving credit/asking good questions when the thread went Staff only…

If not for the thread being moved my arguments would have NEVER been heard.

I think staffs are the only competent people in this website (for most at least) and only them can really ask the good questions about something, other people will spam bs about « prove it’s the entirety of Chaos » when it’s litteraly written and then miss on your message due to people spamming (I was the main one spamming due to being in a 1v19228393 tho lol)

You and I both know UES for the verse doesn't work. The whole fairy clan defeats it if nothing else

 

[Demon_Lord18]

All I'll advice you is check your tier 5 calcs. Check and recheck and make sure they are accurate.

I’d like to see the mental gymnastics M3X will pull to try to invalidate the Behemoth calculation.

 

[karo_senpaii]

I’d like to see the mental gymnastics M3X will pull to try to invalidate the Behemoth calculation.

You know he was one of the people that approved it right? So if he's saying there is something wrong then that's something to be worried about

 

[Makai641001]

No one agreed that Cath's shield was tier 4. It was either refuted

Saying « nothing in verse has tier 4 energy » with tier 4 creation feats isn’t refutation

or questioned as legitimate for scaling.

Which is the « outlier » part

The only person I found who somewhat acknowledged the Tier 4 shield being a thing was Neirre. (using somewhat since Neirre was following the thread loosely) And the entire shield thing was called circulatory.

Again that’s the outlier part, so no one could actually refute the feat in itself and once again acting like Cath’s attack is tier 6 is stupid

If you disagree with the feat in itself refute it right now.

Lots of people were arguing against the shield/ asking for proof of it scaling to it being 4-B

Channeling it’s entire Chaos inside the shield is 4-B that’s the same principle as UES

Good luck with that UES page, and I suggest you add scans for the weapon/shield stuff when the time comes for that thread

Yeah once 4kota ends

 

[Makai641001]

You and I both know UES for the verse doesn't work. The whole fairy clan defeats it if nothing else

It doesn’t, actually fairy clan helps us more than anything to prove LES you probably know that not everyone in a verse is supposed to individually have feats for UES.
Nor do they have to actually maintain it at all times.

We need to prove LES then NPES which again will be easy using Lancelot.

And then all we need is to prove said energy can be channeled inside their bodies to increase their physicals Chaos being channeled entirely inside a shield is a pretty good thing for the verse

 

[karo_senpaii]

It doesn’t, actually fairy clan helps us more than anything to prove LES you probably know that not everyone in a verse is supposed to individually have feats for UES.
Nor do they have to actually maintain it at all times.

We need to prove LES then NPES which again will be easy using Lancelot.

And then all we need is to prove said energy can be channeled inside their bodies to increase their physicals Chaos being channeled entirely inside a shield is a pretty good thing for the verse

Individual UES is not a thing. It defeats the point of "universal". That is just specific characters scaling to their magic physically.

I don't have an issue with LES though. I think you would easily get that

 

[Demon_Lord18]

You know he was one of the people that approved it right? So if he's saying there is something wrong then that's something to be worried about

His arguments will revolve around things like: 'amplified attack destroying Britannia = Behemoth outlier hur dur', 'Behemoth superior to everything hur dur'. 'The magnitude is wrong because the houses were built on stilts, and Zeldris’s mention of world destruction is clearly hyperbolic, hur dur'. Or the worst possible argument — but the one I find most likely — 'him saying this is the demon world or that the Behemoth was only destroying that part'. That would be really funny.

 

[Makai641001]

Individual UES is not a thing. It defeats the point of "universal". That is just specific characters scaling to their magic physically.

I didn’t say « individual UES » exists just that not everybody needs to have feats about it.

It doesn’t need to be active at all times either and depends on effort.

I don't have an issue with LES though. I think you would easily get that

NPES too don’t worry i’ll cook something

 

[Makai641001]

His arguments will revolve around things like: 'amplified attack destroying Britannia = Behemoth outlier hur dur', 'Behemoth superior to everything hur dur'. 'The magnitude is wrong because the houses were built on stilts, and Zeldris’s mention of world destruction is clearly hyperbolic, hur dur'. Or the worst possible argument — but the one I find most likely — 'him saying this is the demon world or that the Behemoth was only destroying that part'. That would be really funny.

Stop this shit he didn’t even say a thing for now no need to be like this

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Stop this shit he didn’t even say a thing for now no need to be like this

It’s simply the truth. His arguments will revolve around that, unless he goes further and starts claiming that the demon world isn’t a planet — which I wouldn’t even doubt. Moreover, there would still be team members just spamming ‘agree,’ like an addict chasing methamphetamine.

 

[Makai641001]

It’s simply the truth. His arguments will revolve around that, unless he goes further and starts claiming that the demon world isn’t a planet — which I wouldn’t even doubt. Moreover, there would still be team members just spamming ‘agree,’ like an addict chasing methamphetamine.

Bro he didn’t even make a thread

 

[Kaydee1648]

Moreover, there would still be team members just spamming ‘agree,’ like an addict chasing methamphetamine

This is report-worthy. You should tone this down.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I’d like to see the mental gymnastics M3X will pull to try to invalidate the Behemoth calculation.

Why you saying **** me for

 

[M3X_2.0]

Also, acting like this is basically inviting me to tear all your calcs apart. Now you better pray that they are correct, otherwise expect more threads like the Demon Realm one in the future.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Why you saying **** me for

The resenha got out of control

 

[M3X_2.0]

Yes it got you reported.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Bro he didn’t even make a thread

I never spoke about the Behemoth ever, like, he's literally this meme:

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Also, acting like this is basically inviting me to tear all your calcs apart. Now you better pray that they are correct, otherwise expect more threads like the Demon Realm one in the future.

You should’ve been doing that earlier, considering it’s basically your job to evaluate calculations . Also, I think the Behemoth size calc is wrong because of a few things, but I never bothered fixing it since it wasn’t being used anymore at the time. So downgrade the verse to 5-C when you apply the changes from your CRT.

 

[M3X_2.0]

You should’ve been doing that earlier, considering it’s basically your job to evaluate calculations .

My job isn't to patrol the wiki looking for every potentially wrong calculation, this isn't a job.

 

[Majinere566]

Why are we being salty

This all literally happened because one of our supporters decided to go and try to downgrade Naruto off a vs match

 

[Makai641001]

I never spoke about the Behemoth ever, like, he's literally this meme:

Yeah it’s weird check private messages tho

 

[Makai641001]

You should’ve been doing that earlier, considering it’s basically your job to evaluate calculations . Also, I think the Behemoth size calc is wrong because of a few things, but I never bothered fixing it since it wasn’t being used anymore at the time. So downgrade the verse to 5-C when you apply the changes from your CRT.

Chill out damn bro you’re normally a chill dude

 

[Bossbrosish]

Can the changes be applied already and we can move on from this bickering?