[REMATCH] Golden Freddy VS Slender Man (Five Nights at Freddy's VS The Slender Mythos) 2-4-0

[Perequeliri993]

Voting slenderman fra, he has the advantage in the looking battle and can just crush GF to incapcitate

GF can continue as a ghost

 

[JustANormalLemon]

GF can continue as a ghost

And do what exactly?

 

[Perequeliri993]

And do what exactly?

...do her haxs of mind fuckery?

 

[Comiphorous]

...do her haxs of mind fuckery?

would she even have the will to do that after Slender Man's own mind haxing atp?

 

[Perequeliri993]

would she even have the will to do that after Slender Man's own mind haxing atp?

I'm just saying that GF being destroyed or not is a non-factor, Cass can keep fighting.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Hum... so she shouldn't be able to kill her self

this is tuff

 

[Comiphorous]

Hum... so she shouldn't be able to kill her self

this is tuff

Spirits can interact with spirits in fnaf so actually she could probably kill herself theoretically even in spirit form.

would "moving on" be a form of killing herself in this scenario? What is killing yourself to an entity who's already dead but in the mortal coil?

 

[Perequeliri993]

Spirits can interact with spirits in fnaf so actually she could probably kill herself theoretically even in spirit form.

would "moving on" be a form of killing herself in this scenario? What is killing yourself to an entity who's already dead but in the mortal coil?

Doesn't matter if she can, only matters if she's trying. If she's trying, she lets herself to be further controlled by Slendy, so she's even more crazy, etc. She still loses.

Still, I believe GF's hax is faster acting, even if not passive. I still vote for him.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Okay, voting GF

 

[Comiphorous]

Doesn't matter if she can, only matters if she's trying. If she's trying, she lets herself to be further controlled by Slendy, so she's even more crazy, etc. She still loses.

Still, I believe GF's hax is faster acting, even if not passive. I still vote for him.

I'm confused by this message who tf are you arguing for rn? You admit that even if Slender destroys the suit she still ends up losing despite being a spirit because she ends up going insane to haxes anyways, but say that GF's haxes are faster acting anyways? What's the argument right now?

If she's at the point where she's becoming suicidal it's already over. There isn't any powering through that to kill slender man before she actually (If she can) does it.

 

[Perequeliri993]

I'm confused by this message who tf are you arguing for rn? You admit that even if Slender destroys the suit she still ends up losing despite being a spirit because she ends up going insane to haxes anyways, but say that GF's haxes are faster acting anyways? What's the argument right now?

If she's at the point where she's becoming suicidal it's already over. There isn't any powering through that to kill slender man before she actually (If she can) does it.

I'm looking at things as objectively as I can: yes, if she does become suicidal, it's over, but I believe she can kill Slendy before that happens. Her hax are faster, even if not passive. GF's destruction is a complete non-factor; she can continue mind fuckery either way, and she can be mind ****** either way.

 

[Comiphorous]

Her hax are faster, even if not passive. GF's destruction is a complete non-factor; she can continue mind fuckery either way, and she can be mind ****** either way.

Well neither are bloodlusted, so it comes down to what they do in character. Sure Cassidy COULD just really quickly nuke Slender Man's mind but is that really in character? ehhh i'd argue differently.

Let's go over Golden Freddy's established characteristics when fighting/murdering/whatever you wanna call it;

To Cassidy's credit, she does resort to her haxes very quickly sometimes. Due to the fact TWB came out post-FNAF 1 through 3, she has a lot more showing of appearing and trying to physically kill the opponent, even the original thread that this is a rematch of where she was bloodlusted agreed she'd try to physically fight the opponent rather than immediately resort to mind-exploding a mf.

• For intended purposes here, i'm going to assume Golden Freddy will start with attempting to physically bite, attack, or otherwise harm Slender Man and get chumped out by the fact SM is non-physical and GF can't interact with SM, (And couldn't harm SM anyways) and realizes that and uses her 9 year old brain to deduce she has to use her cool ghost powers to harm it.

She is a theatric as SHIT when using her powers. Ignoring the fact she has a chance of attacking the opponent physically rather than using her hax, if she does decide to use her hax, she has shown to be a theatric little shit just like the person who murked her of all people. Whether it's physically touching a victim to use her powers or to scream in people's faces to disorient them before actually using her deadly haxes, haxes are used theatrically.

She doesn't use her haxes as a spirit. I'm not sure in the game continuity if it's because they CAN'T or choose not to, but nobody in the damn games decides to use their haxes when they aren't in a physical body. If Slender Man decides to wreck that vessel, for all intended purposes it might as well be a KO, UNLESS. BIG UNLESS. I am forgetting a time that Golden Freddy (and at a certain point anyone in the games rlly... but more importantly cassidy herself) uses their hax when they're a spirit. Which in that case, i'll concede and say yeah she'll use it even after being ***** slapped by SM. This part i'm a bit iffy on since i can't remember very well.

VERY MUCH LASTLY, she is very much susceptible to Slender Man's social influencing. SM's social influencing has worked on adults to children alike to do some horrible shit, and has the added side effect that he can make his very presence comforting to make the SI work even better. (This would be something SM might do in character since it'll know Cassidy is a child)

To me at least, a lot of this seems to paint that GF might not only get ****** over by his Madness hax, it's not off the table that Cassify gets hit with the William Afton 2.0 and get social influenced into some bull shit with Slender, which it could probably pull off faster than her mind hax. But I don't wanna say anything concrete in case some stuff above is incorrect.

 

[Perequeliri993]

Well neither are bloodlusted, so it comes down to what they do in character. Sure Cassidy COULD just really quickly nuke Slender Man's mind but is that really in character? ehhh i'd argue differently.

Let's go over Golden Freddy's established characteristics when fighting/murdering/whatever you wanna call it;

To Cassidy's credit, she does resort to her haxes very quickly sometimes. Due to the fact TWB came out post-FNAF 1 through 3, she has a lot more showing of appearing and trying to physically kill the opponent, even the original thread that this is a rematch of where she was bloodlusted agreed she'd try to physically fight the opponent rather than immediately resort to mind-exploding a mf.

• For intended purposes here, i'm going to assume Golden Freddy will start with attempting to physically bite, attack, or otherwise harm Slender Man and get chumped out by the fact SM is non-physical and GF can't interact with SM, (And couldn't harm SM anyways) and realizes that and uses her 9 year old brain to deduce she has to use her cool ghost powers to harm it.

She is a theatric as SHIT when using her powers. Ignoring the fact she has a chance of attacking the opponent physically rather than using her hax, if she does decide to use her hax, she has shown to be a theatric little shit just like the person who murked her of all people. Whether it's physically touching a victim to use her powers or to scream in people's faces to disorient them before actually using her deadly haxes, haxes are used theatrically.

Yeah, that's fair

She doesn't use her haxes as a spirit. I'm not sure in the game continuity if it's because they CAN'T or choose not to, but nobody in the damn games decides to use their haxes when they aren't in a physical body. If Slender Man decides to wreck that vessel, for all intended purposes it might as well be a KO, UNLESS. BIG UNLESS. I am forgetting a time that Golden Freddy (and at a certain point anyone in the games rlly... but more importantly cassidy herself) uses their hax when they're a spirit. Which in that case, i'll concede and say yeah she'll use it even after being ***** slapped by SM. This part i'm a bit iffy on since i can't remember very well.

I mean, we have no examples in the games because we barely even see ghosts in there. The only circumstances are in fnaf 2 and 3 minigames, and maybe the survival logbook if you wanna count that. We have quite literally never had a chance to see them. However, since the powers quite literally come from her remnant and agony, and GF just happens to be what she is possessing, it's not hard to infer that she can use them, like others do in the books.

VERY MUCH LASTLY, she is very much susceptible to Slender Man's social influencing. SM's social influencing has worked on adults to children alike to do some horrible shit, and has the added side effect that he can make his very presence comforting to make the SI work even better. (This would be something SM might do in character since it'll know Cassidy is a child)

To me at least, a lot of this seems to paint that GF might not only get ****** over by his Madness hax, it's not off the table that Cassify gets hit with the William Afton 2.0 and get social influenced into some bull shit with Slender, which it could probably pull off faster than her mind hax. But I don't wanna say anything concrete in case some stuff above is incorrect.

...Despite that, the other points you've brought foward, both this one and the first, have convinced me of your viewpoint. I'm changing my vote to Slendy.

 

[Comiphorous]

I mean, we have no examples in the games because we barely even see ghosts in there. The only circumstances are in fnaf 2 and 3 minigames, and maybe the survival logbook if you wanna count that. We have quite literally never had a chance to see them. However, since the powers quite literally come from her remnant and agony, and GF just happens to be what she is possessing, it's not hard to infer that she can use them, like others do in the books.

That's honestly fair. I kinda forget despite the series (at least in the clickteam era of FNAF) being really big into possession and haunting the spirits themselves don't do a whole lot without their vessels. I guess nothing really contradicts it even in the books which we treat in this sorta-canon but not really sense for the games that ghosts can't use their powers in spirit form.

I mean Andrew can and has used his abilities outside of his vessel while haunting William post-Fazbear Frights fire and he is Golden Freddy, but that's a whole different character technically and I hate cross-scaling shit like that with the other continuities with a passion usually. So i will admit that definitely wasn't the strongest argument there.

...Despite that, the other points you've brought foward, both this one and the first, have convinced me of your viewpoint. I'm changing my vote to Slendy.

Vote counted.

 

[Perequeliri993]

That's honestly fair. I kinda forget despite the series (at least in the clickteam era of FNAF) being really big into possession and haunting the spirits themselves don't do a whole lot without their vessels. I guess nothing really contradicts it even in the books which we treat in this sorta-canon but not really sense for the games that ghosts can't use their powers in spirit form.

I mean Andrew can and has used his abilities outside of his vessel while haunting William post-Fazbear Frights fire and he is Golden Freddy, but that's a whole different character technically and I hate cross-scaling shit like that with the other continuities with a passion usually. So i will admit that definitely wasn't the strongest argument there.

We've agreed that generally remnant rules stay roughly the same across continuities, but more than that, it's the fact that her powers are literally connected to her remnant and agony, which is connected to her soul, not to the animatronic. That's, I think, the deciding factor. Ghost powers work because she is a ghost, not because she is an animatronic.

Vote counted.

Great!

 

[JustANormalLemon]

changing vote for slenderman fra

 

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