Pheromosa vs Sans [10-1-0, GRACE]

[O0DSF0o]

idk, I've had Pheromosa on my mind since they have a cool design n shit

Equal Speed, Battle takes place in the Judgement Hall

Pheromosa: 10 (JustANormalLemon, Arceus0x, CrackerVolley, Nonynho, o0DSF0o, Axorandom0, TheBoxofIncidents, Eseseso, Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh, Pearly0nsams)
Sans: 1 (Mickey1940)
Incon: 0​

 

[JustANormalLemon]

• Pheromones: Pheromosa releases pheromones that remove hostile intentions from its opponents.

So what can sans do against smelling?

 

[Arceus0x]

So what can sans do against smelling?

no nose

 

[JustANormalLemon]

no nose

Okay, seriously now, that's actually a good argument, anyways, Pheromosa has multiple ways to increasse her speed, agility and quiver dance being exemples, as seen in the anime she is a very evasive oponent too so I can see her dodging sans danmaku and eventually landing a hit

also swift makes even harder for sans to dodge

voting pheromosa

 

[Arceus0x]

Sans can't pin her down due to LS diff and Pheromosa's main way of attack is to try and outspeed the opponent. Considering she has moves such as Agility and Swift which allow for either a speedy attack or a straight up blitz, she could certainly try and blitz Sans. On the other hand, she also has the Me First attack which she could use to pretty much just steal Sans' attack and pierce him with his own bones.

Sans is very good with his soul hax and could kill her extremely fast with a few hits but it all really depends on what Pheromosa uses first. Considering her main tactic is speed, I could see her simply using agility and blitzing or using Me First and killing Sans.

I tenatively vote for Pheromosa but I'll await more arguments.

 

[Arceus0x]

Also she has Silver Wind which is basically semi-invisible AOE air manipulation that cuts whomever gets hit, so even Sans' doding wouldn't do much here.

 

[O0DSF0o]

counted both votes, I can't believe the way to beat sans is not smelling like ass

 

[CrackerVolley]

Pretty cockroach fra

 

[Nonynho]

ig interdimensional cockroach diva beats fat skeleton FRA

 

[O0DSF0o]

Pretty cockroach fra

ig interdimensional cockroach diva beats fat skeleton FRA

counted, voting Pheromosa myself

 

[O0DSF0o]

my pheromosa and sans mii's just met on my tomodachi island

 

[Nonynho]

my pheromosa and sans mii's just met on my tomodachi island

 

[O0DSF0o]

Pheromosa when sans falls down and tries to help him only to hit him too hard, causing him to explode.

 

[Nonynho]

Pheromosa when sans falls down and tries to help him only to hit him too hard, causing him to explode.

According to AUs and fanarts:

 

[Axorandom0]

I don’t think Sans has a way around Swift’s sure-hit effect. Pretty sure it’s a stomp. If it’s not, then count me as a Pheromosa vote.

 

[Axorandom0]

I don’t think Sans has a way around Swift’s sure-hit effect. Pretty sure it’s a stomp. If it’s not, then count me as a Pheromosa vote.

Actually hold on me-first is a much funnier wincon I don’t think Sans could dodge his own attacks

 

[Arceus0x]

I don’t think Sans has a way around Swift’s sure-hit effect. Pretty sure it’s a stomp. If it’s not, then count me as a Pheromosa vote.

It's not quite a stomp as if Pheromosa chooses the wrong move or lingers for too long she'll get her soul obliterated. She just has several wincons and her reliance on high speed attacks (and multitiude of options in case she gets lifted up) is enough to give her the win.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Considering her main tactic is speed, I could see her simply using agility and blitzing or using Me First and killing Sans.

Then it’s just stomp lol. Her first move is blitz, Sans can’t do nothing.

 

[Arceus0x]

Then it’s just stomp lol. Her first move is blitz, Sans can’t do nothing.

*her first choice is speed. Whether she immediately goes for the blitz is not fully guaranteed

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Any actual reasons why she wouldn’t use blitz until later?

 

[TheBoxofIncidents]

The one that's winning rn FRA.

 

[Eseseso]

Pheromosa FRA

 

[StrymULTRA]

*her first choice is speed. Whether she immediately goes for the blitz is not fully guaranteed

First Impression is literally a move with 90 power and cannot be used at all unless the user just started fighting.

There's no way she wouldn't lead with that, why waste the chance.

 

[Arceus0x]

First Impression is literally a move with 90 power and cannot be used at all unless the user just started fighting.

There's no way she wouldn't lead with that, why waste the chance.

A move that she doesn't have

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

Pheromosa FRA

 

[Arceus0x]

Grace

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Any actual reasons why she wouldn’t use blitz until later?

Bro ignored.

 

[Mickey1940]

does Pheromosa get 1 shot by Sans's soul manipulation?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Any actual reasons why she wouldn’t use blitz until later?

She needs to use moves to increase her speed to a maximun of 4 times, 4 times isn't blitz worth

does Pheromosa get 1 shot by Sans's soul manipulation?

No, we consider that every soul in a undertale fight has the same hp as frisk with 0 armour, so still would take some hits to kill

 

[Arceus0x]

does Pheromosa get 1 shot by Sans's soul manipulation?

Sans doesn't really one-shot anyone but it would take a few seconds and she'd be dead. It's really a who hits whom first and it's more likely that she goes for a speedy attack than not

4 times isn't blitz worth

it actually is. Also like, I don't even know if we still accept it as a proper quardupling of speed here. It is definitely a blitz in the anime.

Bro ignored.

She could or she could not. We know she is a fast fighter with a very heavy emphasis on speed tactics so her using speed-based moves is more likely than using anything else.

 

[Mickey1940]

No, we consider that every soul in a undertale fight has the same hp as frisk with 0 armour, so still would take some hits to kill

that's fair

Sans takes less than a second to shred Lv.19 Frisk to 1HP. Lv.1 Frisk with no armor gets shredded even faster

I can't see Pheromosa winning if that's the case. Sans's starting move is TK into bones, and if TK doesn't work the bones kill with a light graze. Pheromosa doesn't usually go for speed-boosting moves and even if she does, Sans's teleportation can help him prevent blitzing since Pheromosa cannot blitz even at max speed and therefore his reaction speed + instant teleportation should help him avoid fatal blows. Dodging his danmaku is also impossible since Sans can fill the entire screen with bones in his Spare attack which traps and kills basically instantly.

TLDR if he sees this bug lady ignore his TK and zip around everywhere, there's nothing stopping him from filling the Judgement Hall with bones and giving her no more room to run

voting Sans

 

[ShionAH]

bro Idk how to feel about the opponent having a blitz power she can use whenever but not actually stomping the most blitz weak character ever

 

[Mickey1940]

bro Idk how to feel about the opponent having a blitz power she can use whenever but not actually stomping the most blitz weak character ever

Stat boosts in pokemon give 50% more speed each

She'd need multiple boosts to start actually blitzing Sans, and she can't perception blitz him at all since it caps at x4, meaning Sans's reactions can still keep up (she can move much faster but the instant Sans thinks anything is wrong he can just teleport, it's basically can Pheromosa move her entire body and attack him before Sans forms a single thought)

 

[Mickey1940]

it actually is. Also like, I don't even know if we still accept it as a proper quardupling of speed here. It is definitely a blitz in the anime.

She needs multiple boosts to even get to that level in the first place. Sans can kill her before that happens

 

[Arceus0x]

She needs multiple boosts to even get to that level in the first place. Sans can kill her before that happens

Stat boosts in pokemon give 50% more speed each

She'd need multiple boosts to start actually blitzing Sans, and she can't perception blitz him at all since it caps at x4, meaning Sans's reactions can still keep up (she can move much faster but the instant Sans thinks anything is wrong he can just teleport, it's basically can Pheromosa move her entire body and attack him before Sans forms a single thought)

First of all our blitz standard is around 3x

Second of all, nothing stops her from using it several times in a row/continuously, especially if she ends up in danger.

Finally, if Sans keeps teleporting away Pheromosa can either use Me First which would absolutely nuke Sans as it would steal his attack or use Silver Wind which will also absolutely nuke sans as it is AOE wind manip on a wide radius (and can raise Pheromosa's stats and that does include speed)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

IA doesn’t help you against speed blitz btw. Since speed is her entire thing, well… this is a stomp.

 

[StrymULTRA]

A move that she doesn't have

Misread, then. Mb.

 

[Mickey1940]

First of all our blitz standard is around 3x

so she needs 4 boosts from Quiver Dance or 2 Agilities in order to blitz.

Second of all, nothing stops her from using it several times in a row/continuously, especially if she ends up in danger.

Pikachu needed 7 seconds to use all of his agilities, meaning Pheromosa would need around 4.7 seconds to just use 2 agilities

meaning Sans just... kills her lmao, he kills as quickly as Pheromosa does and he has ways of restricting her freedom of movement

Finally, if Sans keeps teleporting away Pheromosa can either use Me First which would absolutely nuke Sans as it would steal his attack or use Silver Wind which will also absolutely nuke sans as it is AOE wind manip on a wide radius (and can raise Pheromosa's stats and that does include speed)

Me First procs on status moves, but it just fails when they're used

If she tries using Me First if Sans uses TK or TP, it simply wouldn't work.

 

[Arceus0x]

so she needs 4 boosts from Quiver Dance or 2 Agilities in order to blitz.

Yes

Pikachu needed 7 seconds to use all of his agilities, meaning Pheromosa would need around 4.7 seconds to just use 2 agilities

First off, they're moving faster than lightning here, so no, not 7 seconds.
Even then the main movement clearly starts when he gets to Raichu and starts running circles, at which point it took like 5 seconds tops.

Second of all, just one agility is enough to run past most of Sans' attacks

meaning Sans just... kills her lmao, he kills as quickly as Pheromosa does and he has ways of restricting her freedom of movement

He can restrict some freedom of movement but you're forgetting that even if the speed didn't work her Me First could insta-kill Sans and her attacks like Silver Wind and Bug Buzz can absolutely shred the bones

Me First procs on status moves, but it just fails when they're used

???
"The user cuts ahead of the target to copy and use the target's intended move with greater power. This move fails if it isn't used first."

If she tries using Me First if Sans uses TK or TP, it simply wouldn't work.

Sure, but his main form of attack isn't TK, it's bones, and also TK would work as moves like Psychic are TK.

 

[O0DSF0o]

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