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We are the rulers of Time|Dragon Ball Games upgrade crt

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Iamunanimousinthat said:
So that should be the reason he scales. Not what was written in the blog.
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You are confusing reasoning of Xenoverse Demigra to Heroes Demigra the cosmology nuking stuff comes from DBH Demigra
Iamunanimousinthat said:
No. Time power ultimately comes from Toki Toki, they shouldn’t automatically scale to the highest source without proper scans putting them on toki toki’s level. Toki toki can do things that people with time power can’t.
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Time power users have there own reasoning for scaling to it as mentioned in the blog they are able to control all of time and have dominion over all of existence which would include the third time axis again it's on you to prove why somehow all of time and existence wouldn't include third time axis in it
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Why should it? Unless you can say that mecchikubura scales to tokitoki or to someone who scales on that level, that’s not a good reason.L
Like I said, there are many statements of characters destroying everything and then we find out they didn’t actual destroy everything. It’s not good evidence.
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Mechikabura scales higher than toki toki as far as scaling is concerned in terms of A.P toki toki only has superior time power

Anyway Chaos ball was said to have absorbed all of time within it and preety much everything was consumed including all of timelines and preety much everything in the cosmology which would include c.o.t to both characters and manga itself confirm us that the world no longer exist and all that left behind is a void Mechikabura chaos ball preety much affected all of dimensions which was then restored back to normal by toki toki

Again, i don't see any reason why statements like “all of time,” or scans showing how Mechikabura’s Chaos Ball affected all dimensions which would include this third temporal axis or central axis of history should somehow be excluded, when knowledgeable characters and even the manga itself explicitly state that all of history and the world itself were absorbed and destroyed

Same reasoning is followed by Demigra His ee chaotic gigantes includes time power in it which as I mentioned is capable of affecting this third temporal axis and it is stated he was going to erase "all of space time" so there is no reason to beleive why everything here won't include the entire cosmology
 
Killerdrone123 said:
You are confusing reasoning of Xenoverse Demigra to Heroes Demigra the cosmology nuking stuff comes from DBH Demigra
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The point is, using states that say “x is going to destroy all of time/space/history/everything” is called into question because the entire crux of this upgrade has demigra claiming the same thing and then the plot reveals he actually didn’t do that. So you cannot use those statements to scale everyone to higher time dimension. You need to scale them directly to TokiToki which multiple people have said they do so it doesn’t really matter here. Just fix the blog for the more stronger argument.

Killerdrone123 said:
Time power users have there own reasoning for scaling to it as mentioned in the blog they are able to control all of time and have dominion over all of existence which would include the third time axis again it's on you to prove why somehow all of time and existence wouldn't include third time axis in it
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Irrelevant because Toki Toki has proven to be above time power and can do things people with time power cannot. You need to again scale to gods directly to TokiToki for them to get an upgrade based on his own feat.

Killerdrone123 said:
Mechikabura scales higher than toki toki as far as scaling is concerned in terms of A.P toki toki only has superior time power
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Okay. Problem solved. All that extra stuff is irrelevant for the reasons I stated above.

Based on everyone’s testimonial that demigra and mechikabura scale above Toki Toki, I agree that they can scale.

Everything else, I disagree that they scale unless you can directly tie them back to Toki Toki. “All of x” is explicitly proven to be untrustworthy by the very feat that this upgrade is based on.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
The point is, using states that say “x is going to destroy all of time/space/history/everything” is called into question because the entire crux of this upgrade has demigra claiming the same thing and then the plot reveals he actually didn’t do that. So you cannot use those statements to scale everyone to higher time dimension. You need to scale them directly to TokiToki which multiple people have said they do so it doesn’t really matter here. Just fix the blog for the more stronger argument.
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Yes cause there was evidence of him not destroying everything proven by the fact he didn't destroy third temporal axis and c.o.t when he destroyed the time vault which doesn't seem to be case with the rest of statements as it was made preety clear that they are going to nuke the entire cosmology with both demigra threatening all of dimensions which would include dimension of time or i.e third temporal axis/central and characters making it preety clear that everything is gone

Not to mention toki toki only needed his base form for xenoverse where as to restore everything back from mechikabura destruction he needed to use his time power unleashed state to restore everything back
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Irrelevant because Toki Toki has proven to be above time power and can do things people with time power cannot. You need to again scale to gods directly to TokiToki for them to get an upgrade based on his own feat.
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You preety much missed the entire point of my message it was about proving how they individually have evidence of scaling to third time axis without relying on toki toki

What? Toki Toki is time power itself lol his true essence is that of being time power he uses time power itself for his feats

But regardless i don't think that is something I can change your mind about the so agree to disagree
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Yes cause there was evidence of him not destroying everything proven by the fact he didn't destroy third temporal axis and c.o.t when he destroyed the time vault which doesn't seem to be case with the rest of statements as it was made preety clear that they are going to nuke the entire cosmology

You preety much missed the entire point of my message it was about proving how they individually have evidence of scaling to third time axis without relying on toki toki

What? Toki Toki is time power itself lol his true essence is that of being time power

But regardless i don't think that is something I can change your mind about the so agree to disagree
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This is really the last message I’ll post cause my stance is clear and I mostly agree with this crt.

The point is, Toki Toki is the only point of existence that proves the higher 7D timeline exists. Nothing else can prove connected to it, except from scaling to him. Statements, like “all of x” has been explicitly shown to not include this proposed 7D timeline.

I am sure you can find easy enough scans connecting everything back to Toki Toki. Good Luck!
 
you do need to scale people to Toki in-order to scale them to the 3rd temporal axis.

“Everything” statements are subject to hyperbole and clearly in some instances not literally everything is destroyed.

So just shift the scaling up to those => Toki and the blog is perfect.

I agree
 
Hasty12345 said:
“Everything” statements are subject to hyperbole and clearly in some instances not literally everything is destroyed.
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It's not just everything there are statements like all of time and even statements of time gods having dominion over all of existence or straight up saying they control all dimensions which would include dimension of time

As I have said i don't really see any reason why all of existence would somehow exclude this third time axis or in the case where they say all of dimensions are being threatened and yes games clearly consider time as a dimension as mentioned here

Central axis is still considered to be a part of history and time gods are stated to control all of history

So it's not just statements of "everything" here there are many other statements that back time gods having there own scaling

But yes peeps scaling to toki toki would also be expanded
 
According to the CRT, the Future Warrior used the third temporal axis, or the central axis of history that encompasses the entire 6-D multiverse, to travel back in time and prevent Demigra from destroying the entire multiverse, correct?
 
So ultimately the thread is about being able to travel to a previous multiversal snapshot that was erased. This is done through scroll which is being argued as being similar to other examples of scrolls showing the time-like progression of time.

I'm fine with that argument, but the scaling as detailed in the OP is far to vague and needs to be rewritten to detail why anyone scales to this full cosmology as shown in the blog.

The Crack of Time being outside the multiverse also isn't significant 7-D evidence. It can be accomplished with an insignificant axis.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I'm fine with that argument, but the scaling as detailed in the OP is far to vague and needs to be rewritten to detail why anyone scales to this full cosmology as shown in the blog.
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Can you elaborate further on this as what do you find vague about the scaling it would be helpful to index them later with your concerns in mind
 
I do gotta say, we do agree that destroying, representing or managing all of time and history can refer to just the history the Time Nest is responsible for, which doesn't include the third time axis, as Demigra ''destroying all of time'' did not affect the supposed third time axis. So why are we trying to scale the time birds, Mechikabura, the kais and Demigra's attacks to the third time axis based on similar ''all of time'' statements when we know they don't include the third time axis? We would need an actual feat any of them scale to the third time axis given this, and until then it's a stretch to suggest they scale to it. I'd suggest the mods take this into account.

My proposition is to grant 7D cosmology, but not 7D scaling.
 
Since grace period is already over and we have got enough mod approval to apply the thread

So I beleive we can start with applying the changes
 
These guys are going to get DB to level 1-A soon with this axis stuff, but it's good that the cosmology is practically on the same level as DC.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
These guys are going to get DB to level 1-A soon with this axis stuff, but it's good that the cosmology is practically on the same level as DC.
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At present, I see a good possibility of upgrading the other world to Low 1-C if we handle it properly, as it has very strong evidence that could support this tier or even higher. It could even reach 1-C, since it also possesses its own temporal dimension.

I looked into it extensively and found that there is a potential to demonstrate the existence of a five-dimensional spatial structure for the other world, and with its temporal dimension included, it would become six-dimensional.
 
Correct me if i'm wrong, but if my memory serves me right, the Crack of Time exists beyond history as a superdimensional space. Wouldn't this mean that characters capable of reaching, affecting, or even destroying the Crack of Time would qualify for, at the very least, beyond baseline 7D range/scaling?
 
SageOfReason said:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but if my memory serves me right, the Crack of Time exists beyond history as a superdimensional space. Wouldn't this mean that characters capable of reaching, affecting, or even destroying the Crack of Time would qualify for, at the very least, beyond baseline 7D range/scaling?
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Yes
 
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