Narratively DMC Netflix is one of the better pieces of DMC media.
It essentially goes
Visions of V
DMC Netflix
DMC3
and the rest. Maybe you can fit in the reboot somewhere there. I wouldn't call any of these great narratives though.
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Devil May Cry Anime show Discussion Thread
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Narratively DMC Netflix is one of the better pieces of DMC media.
It essentially goes
Visions of V
DMC Netflix
DMC3
and the rest. Maybe you can fit in the reboot somewhere there. I wouldn't call any of these great narratives though.
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Atleast DMC2 has excuse of being development hell and mismanagement and still doing miracle in few months. Also DMC2 never made any promises. Imagine if DMC2 had same competence and resources since start of development as other DMC games.
What excuse does Netflix have?
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Insane ragebait here, this is a master at work
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Bait so good it legit needs to be studied and framed in an art gallery
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You finally watched season 2????
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I can't believe they got reddit to write seasons 1 AND 2....
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Yeah DMC2 is bad but it has a ton of redeeming qualities.
Most of the time people just shit on it because of it's flaws while also ignoring everything it did good and that helped the franchise.
DMC2 brought us the prototype for what we call Styles now and game mechanics, a ton of combos (that no one knows about), one of, if not, the best designs for Dante, some solid bangers, a ton of world building (like seriously, DMC2 and DMC3/the manga have the most world building out of everything), a ton of lore connections made by other entries in the series (like how BtN states Agnus used to work in Uroboros and he took all that knowledge to Fortuna), Itsuno and Bingo took control of the franchise, Lucia having a full blown story mode (which sadly no other game has done).
Mind you, all of that because Itsuno only had 6 months to direct the game into a playable state since they ONLY had the stinger animation done when he took over.
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Reddit is glazing the ever living **** of Netflix and giving Adi primetime sloppy toppy. Like holy shit they are simping harder than those gooners did for Belle Delphine's bathwater. And they are ******** all over OG series, and it's NOT ragebait, they are honest about it.
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Brother you know about the JJK fans right? and how they have a shitty reputation because they don't read their own shit?
Well, some JJK youtuber made a video defending the garbage that is this series and even his followers started disliking that shit.
Like, just think how bad it is for one of the most brain dead fandoms to turn against that dude lmao
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I can only assume both of you don't know what the term narrative actually means.
People shit on DMC2 because it is quite bad and also because other people online told them to just like they've been telling them to shit on the Netflix series. Anyone who actually plays it knows it's mostly inoffensive as a game. Also, makes no sense to credit DMC2 with later books/comics that exist as fanservice referencing it. A lot of that is because DMC5 and media surrounding it was so fanservice heavy.
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I saw similar situation for some Berserk youtuber who like the netflix anime or that Bonsai Pop guy who approved of the political message and he got flak too. Well deserved imo.
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I know what it means. Good bait, nonetheless
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That's because most Berserk fans are already fans of a non-shallow action dark fantasy series. Is it all that surprising that they would appreciate a show which is at minimum trying to be like that? If Miura wrote Devil May Cry, does anyone really believe his Dante would be the same as Itsuno's goofball of DMC4 with barely a character arc?
No bait at all. Most of the games in the series have a paper thin narrative with rather poor characters. There's a reason why after the dust settled, a lot of fans actually correctly said DMC5's story wasn't good and had good reasons to back it. Which is why we have the VOV comic that has a good self contained story that really should've been in the game.
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Don't be so humble man, your bait is masterclass. Shit's gonna be put in bait textbooks for generations to come
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The Netflix DMC Subreddit has to be one of the most enraging and simultaneously most hilarious place to exist. I have busted by nerves raging and busted my gut laughing. Its like some parody which everyone takes seriously there.
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DAYUM
The guy really believes his own words
The guy really believes his own words
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Back in season 1 when they had Vergil say "I am that storm" (GUYS DO YOU GET IT HE'S REFERENCING A MEME GET IT HAHAH), I knew for a fact that they were just gonna keep writing Vergil terribly in season 2
I must be a precog because I called that shit
What will actually be funny is come DMC6 when Capcom will heavily crib from the Netflix anime, like they did with the reboot because they loved that too, and include many elements in their next game. Then people will pretend they didn't dislike it all that much, or maybe it won't be a pretense at all given that just one season of the anime boosted the franchises' sales number by 2 - 3 million more copies.
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Are you sure Gilver that it isn't actually good and we're just not intelligent enough to enjoy the show? Maybe NDMC is just too smart of a literary piece of work for us to comprehend its visionary genius, which the intellectual Redditors could comprehend.
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Bait so good, it's got a sequel......you're on a roll fr fr
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Dante is like water, he picks and chooses his personality depending on situation. DMC4 has Guts like moments at start of story or some here and there when he wants to be. Or Dante is doing Shakespeare drama or Uncle Iroh when he needs.
Guts is much more straight forward and less facets overall. Which is not a bad thing, its all in character and circumstance accurate. And Miura is perfectly capable of being a goofball, his prototype of Berserk had more goofy vibe to Guts and other characters in final product take up that role.
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I remember that shit got meme'd to hell and backBack in season 1 when they had Vergil say "I am that storm" (GUYS DO YOU GET IT HE'S REFERENCING A MEME GET IT HAHAH), I knew for a fact that they were just gonna keep writing Vergil terribly in season 2
I must be a precog because I called that shit
Just imagine Sephiroth showing up and saying "I am the one winged angel" and a shitty remix of his theme starts in the background.
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I promise you that the lawn chair isn't in season 2 because of the meme. It's because Adi has never actually played or watched the original boss fight and he genuinely believes the lawn chair is in the game from the videos of the mod
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Hence my hate for the anime, make shit and it enters cycle of development. Media influencing Fanbase, Fanbase making memes and shit takes, Devs taking inspiration from said memes and shit takes. Example?? Wacky Woohoo Pizzaman Deadpool Hobo. No longer my Red Velvet Prince of Rose.
My nightmare fuel.
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Among all the shit I have seen I wouldn't question that.
Sparda in the games lived with his family, trained his kids and just before their 8 birthday he disappeared and died but the show Sparda just pumped and dumped Eva.
Dante doesn't pick and choose. The incongruency of Dante's character writing and the reason he lacks an arc in 2, 4, & 5 for the most part is because DMC is not a story focused series and many different teams have had their hands in different titles doing as they please. If anything he's most consistent from 3 - 5 for the simple fact that a lot of the same people wrote and designed those games in sequence. So Dante is a goofball in those games even when it isn't appropriate or necessary.
This is partly why I never recommend anyone to play these games in "timeline" but in release order, because it makes little to no sense to do so. DMC2 is the big departure because it's clear the writers there wanted to make Dante so different from DMC1, perhaps they didn't like as much of his goofiness. It works because even though Dante is a pure flat two dimensional character in that game, his design is cool, the overall tone is more serious, and Lucia is picking up the slack as the deuteragonist with a full arc. Still not great, but not as bad as one thinks.
I kind of implore people to read some of Kamiya's thoughts on story, it's hilarious how much one can gleam from it that it's not that important to him.
Guts is a less straightforward character than him, and has more going for him than Dante. Guts is just overall better written because he had to be and because Miura is just flat out a better writer than anyone that has made DMC media. It's not about whether Miura is capable of writing a goofball character, he can and has, it's whether Miura can do that, write a complete character arc, match tone, and do it all within a consistent narrative and he's done this far better.
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That Berserk YouTuber will love it when Adi directs a new Berserk anime
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As ironic and hilarious as that can be, I am also a Berserk fan, and I don't want a shitty adaptation. 2016 and 2017 were bad enough.
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I talked about DMC4 alone. I did not say that about Dante accross the series, although I can prove this water analogy for each media confidently, making his adaptive facets consistent accross the series.
Look, I have not played later games of Kamiya other than DMC1, so I won't judge, but DMC1 does have consistent and deeply subtextual themes. You can glean that with average media literacy. And it's not reading too much or accidental either, just read Trinity of Fates or other supplementary side content. All the subtext was intentional.
Same themes are consistently present in every game, even in DMC2 coming from DMC1. Themes of love, fate, bloodlines, power etc. The fact that games can cleverly disguise said themes as subtext which doesn't disrupt the surface tone of games for casuals is actually a very commendable feat of writing. It shows confidence and solid prioritisation of intent. It holds enjoyment as a game much more important than heavy handed stories. Something that Netflix series is exactly opposite, its heavy handed to the point it feels like its made for tiktok audeince with severe lack of attention and intelligence that needs to be spoonfed like a baby while jangling keys.
Berserk and DMC are different medias, laughably different. They have different target demographics. The comparison is apples to oranges, but what similarities do exist are that both are tasty fruits. Berserk is consistently apple, DMC is orange like because its sometimes tart and sometimes sweet.
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Only exception to this is DMC1 and DMC2 novel, DMC2 has very less themes and reads more like a fantasy adventure novel or movie from 1980s. Like Conan the Barbarian or Dragon Slayer 1981. This kind of story has its own charm.
DMC1 novel on the other hand reads like a eldritch horror crime story in an urban setting. Also excellent. More serious and gritty.
DMC1 novel on the other hand reads like a eldritch horror crime story in an urban setting. Also excellent. More serious and gritty.
Well, I was talking about Dante in Devil May Cry not only in one game. I was talking about Dante in general, ergo, he can't "pick and choose". His writers want to shoehorn a timeline and more but the issue with doing such a thing with such a disparate series is that it requires more work of writing to pretend very different games are all part of one consistent narrative. The best you can hope for is a full remake of everything that came before like Resident Evil. Though I wouldn't be surprised if that happened because this is Capcom.
There's nothing deep about Devil May Cry 1, it wears all of its themes on its sleeve so you can see it clearly, whatever few themes there are.
I don't see any of the cleverness you're referring to here. When the main character screams out "I wanted to fill your dark soul with light", it isn't the story being clever. It's the story screaming in your face the characterization. Just like in DMC3 when Dante screams "We are the sons of sparda" "I want to stop you". It is all in your face. The series is not subtle at all, it never has been, and it doesn't want to be. Even when Nero grabs his father sword and starts repeating his fathers exact words in a similar tone, you fully understand he is Vergil's son because you played the game right before it. That's "jangling keys" for the audience.
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Ok, is anyone willing to do some calcs?
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You can post feats and ask some calc volunteers too.
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