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Reinhard vs Acheron

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Wilhelm's skills in his old age were inferior to when he was in his prime, but even so he still possessed 50 years of combat experience as a master swordsman, making him a superhuman even among superhumans.
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His experience had evolved into instinctive combat clairvoyance; every twitch, breath, shift in tension, and trace of killing intent was instantly processed and weaponized against the opponent before they could even complete the action they intended to take.
He was able to anticipate his opponents attacks by watching the movements of their eyes, feeling their hostility, reading how they breathe as they aim—
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An absurd level of analytical prediction and information analysis where microscopic details are dissected in real time to reconstruct and perfectly predict an opponent’s next sequence of movements before they fully commit to them.
countering with perfect timing even if the attacks are invisible.
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His timing and battlefield awareness are so monstrously refined that even attacks outside his sensory perception are still intercepted with flawless precision through environmental information alone.
Wilhelm has superhuman, god-like combat capabilities that make it possible to dodge 30+ invisible arms— which even Julius, who can react to invisible attacks on instinct, was unable to detect— just by reacting to the effect the arms had on the dirt in the air.
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Wilhelm’s combat skill borders on inhuman precognition; he could weave through over thirty completely invisible attacks solely by reading the disturbances they created in the environment, accomplishing what even elite fighters like Julius, who are capable of instinctively reacting to invisible attacks failed to do.

Again, this demonstrates analytical prediction and information analysis on an absurd scale, where even the tiniest environmental distortions are enough for him to completely map out and counter dozens of otherwise undetectable attacks simultaneously.
When the number of arms increased further, Wilhelm still faced Petelgeuse and his Unseen Hand by himself, battling the invisible arms which could freely alter their range, direction, and overwhelm the enemy with numbers; by moving beyond the limits of his vision, swaying, accelerating, flipping, toying with his enemy, and drawing ever closer to victory.
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Despite being swarmed by countless invisible limbs capable of changing trajectory, angle, speed, and range at any moment, Wilhelm continuously adapted in real time, maneuvering with impossible fluidity and dismantling an attack pattern that should have been fundamentally unreadable.
He is able to perfectly adapt against dozens of independently moving attacks with unrestricted vectors of movement, despite possessing no way to sense the attacks themselves.

Those on the level of Wilhelm and Theresia are masters whose skill surpassed the realm of mere humans. Garfiel freaked out after Wilhelm showed him just a fragment of the summit of strength he is aiming for.
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People who can sense how skilled you are will instantly go berserk from trying to even imagine the level of skill they have to reach. Garfiel himself was already a combat prodigy, whose actions occurred with virtually zero delay between thought and execution; against people who cannot do the same, he would be able to completely demolish them in combat by exploiting the lag between their cognition and physical response
Wilhelm was on the same level as Theresia's Corpse Soldier, who possessed such supreme skill that she could steal away the function a person's leg without doing any unnecessary destruction, only having the barest amount of blood on her sword.
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A precision feat on a microscopic scale via skill, this is just one paragraph in Reinhard's intelligence section.
 
To clarify, time and experience do not measure skill.

Reinhard at 5 years old was more skilled than his father. Cecilus at 12 years old was the most skilled swordsman in his country. Reid Astrea, within just 3 months of having first started using a sword, was already the most skilled swordsman in history and for centuries to come, to the point that he was bored from fighting one of the most skilled swordsmen in the nation with just one eye open, using his non-dominant hand, and wielding a chopstick as his "sword".


Celestial_Pegasus said:
only reasons Re Zero even got it
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Due to be removed too since the wiki no longer indexes combat intelligence as a rating. So like Elsa would just be below average intelligence but retain her paragraphs of skillslop in the intelligence section.
 
Crimsonobu said:
Acheron starts in her amped form and the consensus is BFR is her first move?
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Her first move when transformed is deadass just an intergalactic range AOE + BFR

VortechsTG said:
So you're saying she will nuke the city now?
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SatellaTheWoE said:
His experience had evolved into instinctive combat clairvoyance; every twitch, breath, shift in tension, and trace of killing intent was instantly processed and weaponized against the opponent before they could even complete the action they intended to take.

An absurd level of analytical prediction and information analysis where microscopic details are dissected in real time to reconstruct and perfectly predict an opponent’s next sequence of movements before they fully commit to them.

His timing and battlefield awareness are so monstrously refined that even attacks outside his sensory perception are still intercepted with flawless precision through environmental information alone.

Wilhelm’s combat skill borders on inhuman precognition; he could weave through over thirty completely invisible attacks solely by reading the disturbances they created in the environment, accomplishing what even elite fighters like Julius, who are capable of instinctively reacting to invisible attacks failed to do.

Again, this demonstrates analytical prediction and information analysis on an absurd scale, where even the tiniest environmental distortions are enough for him to completely map out and counter dozens of otherwise undetectable attacks simultaneously.

Despite being swarmed by countless invisible limbs capable of changing trajectory, angle, speed, and range at any moment, Wilhelm continuously adapted in real time, maneuvering with impossible fluidity and dismantling an attack pattern that should have been fundamentally unreadable.
He is able to perfectly adapt against dozens of independently moving attacks with unrestricted vectors of movement, despite possessing no way to sense the attacks themselves.

People who can sense how skilled you are will instantly go berserk from trying to even imagine the level of skill they have to reach. Garfiel himself was already a combat prodigy, whose actions occurred with virtually zero delay between thought and execution; against people who cannot do the same, he would be able to completely demolish them in combat by exploiting the lag between their cognition and physical response

A precision feat on a microscopic scale via skill, this is just one paragraph in Reinhard's intelligence section.
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I am sorry but everything I bolded here is like debating with people who scale smart characters and genuinely have Ayanokoji beating like Baku or some shit like that, not that I wanna discard it but how did you even come to those interpretations 😭
 
Crimsonobu said:
Imugur doesn't really work in the UK so when I try click Acheron scans for BFR it doesn't come up for me. Is it a portal, black hole, how does it look, and etc when using it in a fight
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it did kill everybody in NY is what is relevant which would stop her from doing it, and thus this battle would be a sword match, in which Reinhard would dominate her...

DP of bedroom wiles anyone?
 
VortechsTG said:
This is literally from her character trailer bro 😭 The actual scenes from in the game do not show this level of destruction. And, again, Reinhard can just do the same.
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1. We accept character trailers, animated shorts, the anime, hoyolab posts, their youtube channel getting hacked for scaling.

Hell we literally accept OWLBERT videos for scaling


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The dreamscape is 2 million light years in size
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SatellaTheWoE said:
it did kill everybody in NY is what is relevant which would stop her from doing it, and thus this battle would be a sword match, in which Reinhard would dominate her...

DP of bedroom wiles anyone?
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Acheron doesn't gaf unfortunately 💔 Acheron is the same person who plunged millions of people into floating in the air as an effort to wake them up from the dreams
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Ye right broskie this will be Reinhard
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“As you wish. In fact, if you wish, we can even entertain you with our expert services… Although I am a little afraid of the Sword Saint.”

Despite the assessment, Reinhard’s expression did not alter. He was probably used to being described as ‘scary’.

Toto exhaled a cloud of purple smoke. “Oh kind and beautiful lord. In your presence, the flowers that make their living by selling dreams may end up caught in a dream themselves. So cruel, is it not?”

“—Uhh.” Struck so unexpectedly, Reinhard choked on his words and turned his blue eyes, filled with bewilderment, towards Felt. They seemed to be asking for help.

Felt flashed Toto a broad smile. “As I thought, I think we’ll get along just fine.”

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“My lady, this may not be something I should say as a knight, but…”

“Oh, what is it? Say it.”

“...I don’t think I’m very good at dealing with the lady we just met.”

“Hahahahah, I thought so! You were totally losin’ your nerve, especially at the end there! It was satisfying seeing something as rare as that, though,” Felt replied, slapping her knees in good humor.

Having safely finished talking with Toto, Felt was about to leave the Flower Prison Garden’s brothel. Reinhard seemed to have been so effectively brought down a peg by Toto that he remained silent even when Felt burst into laughter. “She was complimenting you by sayin’ that all the prostitutes would fall for you, ya know? You should be happy, my dear Reinhard.”
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Crimsonobu said:
For the HSR fans in the room is Acheron moral enough to not do the AOE in NY?
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However, if we're talking SBA then choosing a massively crowded area like central park with morals towards bystanders turned on would be a mistake. The most important thing in choosing a standard location (along with it being well known) was to let as many characters as possible fight at their normal potential. If we have tons of characters pull their punches to not hurt the bystander 3 meters left from them, that isn't given. In that case, we should change the standard location, but that would be a massive revision as it affects virtually all vs-threads (and the central park was otherwise an excellent location to boot).
Not to mention that just moving to a depopulated area helps nobody, since the morals then don't come into play, even if technically there, and users of nearby humans have no humans to use.
For SBA just turning morals towards bystanders off entirely, or at least in Central Park and vicinity seems definitely like the best choice. Or just turn all nearby bystanders into philosophical zombies as I suggest at the end of this post.
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@DontTalkDT said this btw
vsbattles.com

A New Type of Profile - Locations

Until now bystanders were never factors in debates. Actually they were, we've considered characters thinking of collateral very often. Did you have the impression that our characters currently are all bloodlusted? I don't. ...so subjectivity I generally don't think having morals AND...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
Voidnether said:
@DontTalkDT said this btw
vsbattles.com

A New Type of Profile - Locations

Until now bystanders were never factors in debates. Actually they were, we've considered characters thinking of collateral very often. Did you have the impression that our characters currently are all bloodlusted? I don't. ...so subjectivity I generally don't think having morals AND...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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How about this suggestion then: Every human in New York City gets safely transported elsewhere and is replaced with a philosophical zombie version of itself, which can be mind controlled, have their mind read, be turned into undead and also otherwise interacts with all powers exactly like the original would. The characters keep their morals towards bystanders, but also get the knowledge that those people in New York City aren't the actual bystanders, but just unfeeling not truly sentient bags of flesh that happen to look like them.
That way they can be in character regarding bystanders, while the bystanders at the same time are no hindrance and there are people like things for human users to use.
One could do something like that for the other locations, too, if standard assumptions for those need to be formulated at all.
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This is like the conclusion, also yall are insane for even considering this as a factor because 99% of the time no one cares about the bystanders 😭😭😭
 
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