Reinhard vs Acheron

[VortechsTG]

What you gonna do. Tell him "oh, Elsa dodged an explosion without leaving its radius"?

Let's not go there.

 

[Voidnether]

You do know Acheron's transformation to her Unsheathed Sword from her base one is like a massive speed gap right especially if Acheron literally sees the entire Astral Express and Aventurine even other things as slow-motion and well there are problems with Speed Equalization as a rule in itself

Acheron literally jumps from FTL to MFTL+, and since Speed Equalized only takes the first part in which both characters are FTL, yeah Acheron's blitzing Reinhard not to mention the AP difference and her hax

If you're restricting Unsheathed Sword, just make it a sword combat fight like Acheron and Reinhard clashing but Acheron definitely one-shots anyway so gg

You guys are not serious bro, btw she just needs to legit take one foot to transform and boom it's an immediate slow-motion

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Let's not go there.

We both knew it was gonna get brought up so might as well say it now

 

[VortechsTG]

Btw if this is true, Jingliu's combat experience is like 700 years or even more

Yeah, and Theresia has more than an eternity. So by this logic Acheron is clearly unimaginably outclassed.

 

[Zabazab]

If she actually decides to try to duel Reinhard instead of sending him to the **** You Deletion Realm then she pretty much gets her ass kicked. It ends with one clash of swordsmanship.

 

[Trxyway]

Check this out

Great Animation and direction is the only thing i took from this

 

[VortechsTG]

We both knew it was gonna get brought up so might as well say it now

No, let's not. Let's not let Satella get away with making shit up again.

 

[Zabazab]

No, let's not. Let's not let Satella get away with making shit up again.

-Echidna probably

 

[Voidnether]

combat experience means jack shit in cross verse skill scaling

Oh you wish

And there was her student.
She recalled the first time they met. This young but devious child had asked the same questions as she did.
"Master, why do you insist on wielding a sword? There are thousands of weapons out there that can kill an enemy. If you want to destroy that planet, the Zhuming can probably do it with its artillery."
"This is like asking a poet why they wrote poems. There are many ways to express oneself, but this is the only way for me."
Now, he has also become a shining star amongst the Cloud Knights.

She doesn't have a master anymore. The woman in armor perished on the battlefield and can instruct her no longer.
Nor does she need a master anymore. She knows everything there is to know about swords. They are a part of her body. They are the intake and release of her breath as she walks and sleeps.
People call her the Transcendent Flash, the pinnacle of swordmasters, a once-in-ten-millennia hero. However, she knows that her sword is still not enough to "cut down the star in the sky" —

Even if she is holding the greatest sword in all the Xianzhou...
A sword, 5 feet in length, weighing as heavy as three thousand catties. The ebony blade shimmers with a sanguine sheen.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

If she actually decides to try to duel Reinhard instead of sending him to the **** You Deletion Realm then she pretty much gets her ass kicked. It ends with one clash of swordsmanship.

She starts off transformed. She never goes for a clash when transformed. She just haxes you.

 

[Voidnether]

Oh you wish

In a dreamlike illusion, she felt her flesh surpass its limits, beginning to disintegrate. It was as if innumerable silken threads bound her, taut across every limb and bone, each one slicing through the last vestiges of her consciousness, bit by bit.
Suddenly, she heard those words:
"I will cut down even the stars in the sky."

At that moment, she finally grasped the sword she had been seeking all this time.
It was a sword that can transcend all restrictions. It was a sword she had been familiar with for years.
It was not forged from any ordinary iron, but condensed from a shaft of sharp ice. It glowed with a dim light, as if it was a strand of moonlight held in the wielder's hand.
A sword, 3 feet and 7 inches in length, and weighs nothing.

 

[Crimsonobu]

General thing not related to Acheron though I did think of it because of that argument. But something like being a thousand year old swordsman isn't really impressive unless someone explains why that thousand year old swordsman is impressive. It doesn't really matter in crossverse or in general? What's the evidence to suggest the 1000 year old swordsman is better than the 7 year old genius down the back alleyway picking his boogers or something, especially in fiction where this can happen

 

[VortechsTG]

She starts off transformed. She never goes for a clash when transformed. She just haxes you.

Her hax in question are timestop, which he resists, the hax from her sword attacks, which she has to land, and the bfr, which she doesn't normally use against opponents.

 

[Voidnether]

Her hax in question are timestop, which he resists, the hax from her sword attacks, which she has to land, and the bfr, which she doesn't normally use against opponents.

Reinhard does not resist Acheron's time stop that was based off Imaginary Energy, shit is not MAGIC BASED

 

[Voidnether]

General thing not related to Acheron though I did think of it because of that argument. But something like being a thousand year old swordsman isn't really impressive unless someone explains why that thousand year old swordsman is impressive. It doesn't really matter in crossverse or in general? What's the evidence to suggest the 1000 year old swordsman is better than the 7 year old genius down the back alleyway picking his boogers or something, especially in fiction where this can happen

If you see the two replies I made above you'd know

 

[Mbpoops]

Reinhard does not resist Acheron's time stop that was based off Imaginary Energy, shit is not MAGIC BASED

didnt we already go over verse equalization?

 

[Mbpoops]

General thing not related to Acheron though I did think of it because of that argument. But something like being a thousand year old swordsman isn't really impressive unless someone explains why that thousand year old swordsman is impressive. It doesn't really matter in crossverse or in general? What's the evidence to suggest the 1000 year old swordsman is better than the 7 year old genius down the back alleyway picking his boogers or something, especially in fiction where this can happen

all im hearing is yanqing > acheron

 

[Crimsonobu]

If you see the two replies I made above you'd know

"Not related to Acheron" bro

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Her hax in question are timestop,

Isn't magic timestop.

hax from her sword attacks, which she has to land,

Intergalactic + Extradimesnional 11D range

the bfr, which she doesn't normally use against opponents.

The first thing she does when transformed is literally BFRing someone

 

[VortechsTG]

I would just encourage everyone at this point to read both of their intelligence sections and then vote

 

[Zabazab]

She just haxes you.

Then surely she just haxes.

Oh you wish

Star-slaying my beloved

―Lightning, had cut through starlight.

There was no other appropriate expression to describe what had come to pass.

Only, the moment in which he bore witness to the events unfolding before him, the only question he had to ponder was whether or not he could believe that what he had seen was actually real. However―,

Al: [No matter how ******* absurd it may be…!]

Cecilus Segmunt had slayed the star.

In the likeness of the Witch of Greed, the one behind the curtain who had employed a forbidden magic that was a specialty of that same Witch, was now wide-eyed at the same reality Al had witnessed.

It was no easy feat to make a star fall.

Even the real Witch of Greed had said that she would not want to make more than one fall in the span of a day. In other words, she could not fire more in succession.

 

[Trxyway]

Oh you wish

Him having centuries of experience still doesn’t automatically prove they are more skilled cross verse. Your quote just shows they trained a lot and are highly respected in theie own verse. That’s it.

Fiction doesn’t work on a universal "more years = better skill" system or whatever. An example is Reid Astrea in re:zero became the greatest swordsman in history in only 3 months after picking up a sword for the first time while people who trained their entire lives couldn’t and still cannot reach him. Talent and scaling and verse mechanics and narrative matter way more than just a number attached to experience.

Some random in Anime X can take 400 billion years to learn how to master the arts of cutting the atoms of a leaf or something

And some random in Anime B does that in 7 minutes after picking up a sword for the first time

 

[Voidnether]

didnt we already go over verse equalization?

And that IE ≠ Magical Energy?

 

[VortechsTG]

Intergalactic + Extradimesnional 11D range

Cool, so he is within her range. So is she his.

The first thing she does when transformed is literally BFRing someone

Not according to everyone else in this thread lol

 

[Crimsonobu]

The reason I'm not voting is because I've lost track of verse equalisation, forms, what Acheron's standard tactics and etc are

I've been bamboozled.

I think Acheron could win but the HSR supporters confusing me.

 

[Voidnether]

I would just encourage everyone at this point to read both of their intelligence sections and then vote

Nah no need actually cause Acheron outhaxes Reinhard massively here lmao

 

[Mbpoops]

And that IE ≠ Magical Energy?

so we dont have servant invul? got it...

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Cool, so he is within her range. So is she his.

"which he has to land" Yeah so why is this an argument then (Also the second one is not within his range because she can slime him from the Horizon)

Not according to everyone else in this thread lol

This is being argued under the idea she was in base. Her first move was literally BFR when transformed.

 

[Voidnether]

Cool, so he is within her range. So is she his.

Not according to everyone else in this thread lol

??? I literally said on the first page that Acheron on her base would transform, this in itself is already a massive gap from FTL+ to MFTL+ as in 63 sextillion times the speed of light which induces a slowmotion effect. Acheron would then slash Reinhard which is AOE based after the slash since it creates an energy that envelops everything. You don't even need to be hit by the slash because Acheron legit could just transform and BFR immediately to Horizon of Existence.

 

[Mbpoops]

the only reason the grail could summon servants in penacony was because IE and magical energy were so alike. yes they are seperate things but they are so alike they can replace eachother

verse equalization should be applicable here

 

[Voidnether]

so we dont have servant invul? got it...

???

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

How is this almost 10 pages? These Honkai matchups are special.

Jingliu's extraordinary intelligence from what I am seeing here and the profile is highly questionable though, one of the only reasons Re Zero even got it was due to their processing ability of being able to take in all the information around them, and accurately predict where everyone is without even focusing and stuff like slowing down their perception to preform hundreds of millions of attacks with not even a second passing.

Heck Theresia currently doesn't have EG, and she can't be reached by anyone even with centuries or an eternity of training, and reaching that level requires breaking logic, she is the pinnacle of combat, knowing the imperfections of all weapons and fighting styles.

 

[Voidnether]

the only reason the grail could summon servants in penacony was because IE and magical energy were so alike. yes they are seperate things but they are so alike they can replace eachother

And that still does not mean magic based shit ESPECIALLY IN REZERO is able to nullify IE, especially if magic in Fate is DEFINITELY MORE SUPERIOR than Rezero

 

[Mbpoops]

???

ur saying magic and IE arent alike so then we dont have servant shit from fate

 

[VortechsTG]

The reason I'm not voting is because I've lost track of verse equalisation, forms, what Acheron's standard tactics and etc are

In order for this matchup to be valid at all she must be starting in her amped form. Otherwise there is no point in the match's existence.

I think Acheron could win but the HSR supporters confusing me.

Yeah, because one of them is stonewalling

 

[Mbpoops]

And that still does not mean magic based shit ESPECIALLY IN REZERO is able to nullify IE, especially if magic in Fate is DEFINITELY MORE SUPERIOR than Rezero

verse. equalization.

if IE is similar to magic then verse equalization should be applicable

 

[Voidnether]

How is this almost 10 pages? These Honkai matchups are special.

Jingliu's extraordinary intelligence from what I am seeing here and the profile is highly questionablely though, one of the only reasons Re Zero even got it was due to their processing ability of being able to take in all the information around them, and accurately predict where everyone is, without even focusing and stuff liek slowing downt heir perception to perfom hundreds of millions of attacks with not even a second passing.

Heck Theresia currently doesn't have EG, and she can't be reach by another even with centuries of eternity of training, and reaching that level requires breaking logic, she is the pinnacle of combat, knowing the imperfections of all weapons and fighting styles.

Tbh Acheron outhaxes here, you'd know what her abilities are from that Isis matchup lmao

 

[Voidnether]

verse. equalization.

if IE is similar to magic then verse equalization should be applicable

Is Rezero's magic similar to Nasuverse?

 

[Trxyway]

This match up won't work. It's either a Stomp (speed blitz) or Stomp (Passive hax) or Skillslop diff

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

In order for this matchup to be valid at all she must be starting in her amped form. Otherwise there is no point in the match's existence.

Yeah so Reinhard gets blasted by an intergalactic range AOE + BFR