Lookism AP Revision/Downgrade

[FragrantJaguar150]

I am making this thread mainly due to many calculations that seem really bad to my understanding and should be removed or revised. I will be going from lower to higher. I will only discuss the feats that seem weird or unreliable. I
have just finished reading Lookism, so I might not be fully accurate.

First one
1).Johan kicks Zack

This one assumes the shape to be a hemisphere. Hemisphere is a special case where a sphere is cut in half. There is no evidence to prove this is a hemisphere and I disagree with the chest thickness aswell. Using a spherical cap is much better then hemisphere.

2). Logan punches Alexander hwang

Unlike the calc above, where chest thickness might be debatable, this is completely wrong. Alexander Hwang hits the wall face-first. I don’t know how this was even used here.

3). Warren attacks a gen 0 fighter

Same as the above reason. There isn't evidence to show that the gen 0 guy was completely in the crater. Crashing into a wall really doesn't give the justification for using chest thickness. The main reason I am trying to remove/ revise these old calculations is because I am seeing some influences on the newer ones which use chest thickness to get higher volumes then it should.

4). Hudson pieces a rock (same as 1)

Moving on to 9-A calculations.

5). Jaegyeon Na creates a Crater

I don't have much against this other then the material that is being used here. I really don't believe we should use concrete for every type of material that we see. If a material completely dwarfs another in quantity then sure we can use the material that is more in quantity but there is no other visible material asides from brick of course. Here is an actual brick road in real life and this is really close to the material we see in the calculation itself. I have no other problem with this calculation.

6).Jaegyeon makes huge hole in wall

This calculation uses a smaller reference object when little Daniel is standing on his full height. I don't understand how this even got accepted in the first place. If there is something I missed here then you can remind me.

Finally we are at 9-A + calculations

7). Jinyoung park creates crater

The main problem with this calc is that the depth is 1.8 meters. That is a lot in comparison, considering Jinyoung, the one who did it, is also 1.8 meters tall. I am not just trying to revise it because 1.8 meters is too much, but also because there are some panels afterward that suggest this crater might actually just be another basement hulk.
To prove this is really inconsistent I have some examples like this one. I have drawn a red boundary around the destroy area of the road. This is definitely not looking like a 1.8 meter deep and 10 meter long crater. I directly asked viott about this issue in the blog itself but he disregarded it as just special effects which is extremely wrong. We can clearly see that outside the red boundary there is no sign of destruction that indicates a 10 meter long crater.

Another one is here. From this example alone, the 1.8-meter crater argument should be dismissed entirely. There is no other destruction caused by Kitae or Jinyoung that would support this interpretation being inaccurate that we could say that the crater is not the same one.

To better understand this claim, reading Chapter 601 is highly recommended. The edge of Jinyoung's crater in this panel completely undermines the idea of the crater having a depth of 1.8 meters, making it look unrealistic.

Another point to add is that if the crater were truly 1.8 meters deep, then Jinyoung running straight toward Kitae, who was technically outside the crater , should have faced a physical barrier in front of him. Jinyoung was supposedly inside a crater nearly as deep as his own height, yet he managed to pass through it without issue somehow?

I will provide more evidence here

8).Johan is opening a big crater

This will be the final calculation that I will cover in this thread. I am fine with everything else that this calc has to offer aside from the usage of pulverization. This is serve problem as compressing a wall is usually what pulverization stands for but it doesn't mean every type of compression feat you see has to use pulverization. The main issue with this not being counted as pulverization is because it should be way more smoother. The wall itself seems to be on the very verge of breaking apart into many pieces. This calc shows how pulverization was rejected and used fragmentation instead for the reasons dmua explained and this is not actually from lookism rather killer peter ( I know that this is another verse but I think I am allowed to use examples) Dmua rejected the first calculation due to the same reason. I would like to add some of my own thoughts before I give a good example of pulverization. The wall itself looks as if johan had applied more power behind the kick even a little it would all fall apart. I don't get why we using pulverization for this feat? Compression alone is not enough to justify that this is pulverization. It clearly has spider web like cracks on it that shows that the material definitely didn't turn into dust. What I actually learned what pulverization means is when you turn something into powder/dust. Same cannot be said for this feat.

Talking about the good example which is James lee is slammed into the ground . Lucky for me this calculation was evaluated by dmua whose words I have been using all this time. Dmua has accepted this calc but rejected the above mentioned one. The reason being even if the crater is compressed, it is clearly cracked into huge pieces that are about to / on the verge of falling. I would disagree with the usage of pulverization in this calculation and instead promote fragmentation here.


That is it for this thread and if you don't want to read for the 9-B calcs, you are free to look into 9-A and 9-A+ calculations.

 

[Aksh_sky]

First one
1).Johan kicks Zack

This one assumes the shape to be a hemisphere. Hemisphere is a special case where a sphere is cut in half. There is no evidence to prove this is a hemisphere and I disagree with the chest thickness aswell. Using a spherical cap is much better then hemisphere.

I agree on this one as a semi ellipsoid should've been used instead of a hemisphere, but assuming a depth would've really lowered the results since just by eyeing the crater, we can tell that the depth is relatively close to it's radius. Regardless, it's a very old calc but i don't see anything that can't be improved, even if it's done then the changes won't really be much significant. Also I still believe that the depth is actually quite deep and is comparable to the radius.

2). Logan punches Alexander hwang

Unlike the calc above, where chest thickness might be debatable, this is completely wrong. Alexander Hwang hits the wall face-first. I don’t know how this was even used here.

I agree with this one. The calc should use an average crater depth, cyz qan average crater depth is around 0.14 to 0.2 times the crater's diameter, averaging out at 0.17 times the diameter.
127×0.17 = 21.59cm, and the measurement he used is 25cm.
Which would give almost similar results, so this calc can be improved.

3). Warren attacks a gen 0 fighter

Same as the above reason. There isn't evidence to show that the gen 0 guy was completely in the crater. Crashing into a wall really doesn't give the justification for using chest thickness. The main reason I am trying to remove/ revise these old calculations is because I am seeing some influences on the newer ones which use chest thickness to get higher volumes then it should.

I completely agree with this one too. Using average crater depth method would give more accurate and higher results. But if the image makes it seem like the crater is deeper than someone's chest then it can be used, like.

4). Hudson pieces a rock (same as 1)

Moving on to 9-A calculations.

I feel like hemisphere works here.

5). Jaegyeon Na creates a Crater

I don't have much against this other then the material that is being used here. I really don't believe we should use concrete for every type of material that we see. If a material completely dwarfs another in quantity then sure we can use the material that is more in quantity but there is no other visible material asides from brick of course. Here is an actual brick road in real life and this is really close to the material we see in the calculation itself. I have no other problem with this calculation.

Ye, it looks more like some sort of rock material to me aswell.

6).Jaegyeon makes huge hole in wall

This calculation uses a smaller reference object when little Daniel is standing on his full height. I don't understand how this even got accepted in the first place. If there is something I missed here then you can remind me.

Agreed. Daniel is not standing on 'full height' here but they could've definately used his todso+head via taking another image as refference, it could've given more accurate results, probably even higher results too.

7). Jinyoung park creates crater

The main problem with this calc is that the depth is 1.8 meters. That is a lot in comparison, considering Jinyoung, the one who did it, is also 1.8 meters tall. I am not just trying to revise it because 1.8 meters is too much, but also because there are some panels afterward that suggest this crater might actually just be another basement hulk.
To prove this is really inconsistent I have some examples like this one. I have drawn a red boundary around the destroy area of the road. This is definitely not looking like a 1.8 meter deep and 10 meter long crater. I directly asked viott about this issue in the blog itself but he disregarded it as just special effects which is extremely wrong. We can clearly see that outside the red boundary there is no sign of destruction that indicates a 10 meter long crater.

Another one is here. From this example alone, the 1.8-meter crater argument should be dismissed entirely. There is no other destruction caused by Kitae or Jinyoung that would support this interpretation being inaccurate that we could say that the crater is not the same one.

To better understand this claim, reading Chapter 601 is highly recommended. The edge of Jinyoung's crater in this panel completely undermines the idea of the crater having a depth of 1.8 meters, making it look unrealistic.

Another point to add is that if the crater were truly 1.8 meters deep, then Jinyoung running straight toward Kitae, who was technically outside the crater , should have faced a physical barrier in front of him. Jinyoung was supposedly inside a crater nearly as deep as his own height, yet he managed to pass through it without issue somehow?

I will provide more evidence here

Idk what ur onto but the crater seems to be WAYYY larger than Jinyoung to me. Viott's average crater method infact massively downplayed the feat imo. There's literally walls that have been made. Also the example you showed isn't even from the same feat, so idk what ur talking about now. Also, the thing about 2D images are, unless the inconsistency seems to be very obvious from various angles to the point that average calcing value seems to overinflate the results, then only the average values can't be used.

8).Johan is opening a big crater

This will be the final calculation that I will cover in this thread. I am fine with everything else that this calc has to offer aside from the usage of pulverization. This is serve problem as compressing a wall is usually what pulverization stands for but it doesn't mean every type of compression feat you see has to use pulverization. The main issue with this not being counted as pulverization is because it should be way more smoother. The wall itself seems to be on the very verge of breaking apart into many pieces.

Atp even I'm sure that Viott is tired explaining the confusions regarding pulverization. YES IF SOMETHING LIKE A WALL IS PERFECTLY COMPRESSED INWARDS WITH NO OR MINIMAL FRAGMENTS THEN VSBW DOES AND WILL KEEP USING PULVERIZATION.

This calc shows how pulverization was rejected and used fragmentation instead for the reasons dmua

My guy...THESE TWO FEATS AREN'T EVEN THE SAME AND HAS ALMOST NO CORRELATION WITH EACH OTHER. The reason pulv was rejected is THIS. Also shapes of such kinda aren't usually considered as pulv unless zero fragments are present, as pulv is more usually used in inward compressed craters.

Dmua rejected the first calculation due to the same reason.

"Same reason", I don't think so it's the same reason since soil compression is different and is not the same as pulv of dense material like granite or concrete. Though even i think that it's pulv, idk tho. You should maybe tag dmua or something since he evaled these calcs, because he accepted the Seongji calc as pulv but not the first one of KP and when talking about pulv he was talking about the second calc in the KP one but when Arthur pointed out that there's no fragments in the first calc, then he just said "same thing" and stopped replying.

I would disagree with the usage of pulverization in this calculation and instead promote fragmentation here.

Your disagreement doens't contend me so there's no point on telling. Your points against pulv wasn't really justified properly and substantially, it's just about dmua's evaluation and you can always ask other CGMs to eval if u disagree with one so i don't think so it's a big deal. CGMs can make mistakes and it's fine.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

I agree on this one as a semi ellipsoid should've been used instead of a hemisphere, but assuming a depth would've really lowered the results since just by eyeing the crater, we can tell that the depth is relatively close to it's radius. Regardless, it's a very old calc but i don't see anything that can't be improved, even if it's done then the changes won't really be much significant. Also I still believe that the depth is actually quite deep and is comparable to the radius.



I agree with this one. The calc should use an average crater depth, cyz qan average crater depth is around 0.14 to 0.2 times the crater's diameter, averaging out at 0.17 times the diameter.
127×0.17 = 21.59cm, and the measurement he used is 25cm.
Which would give almost similar results, so this calc can be improved.

I completely agree with this one too. Using average crater depth method would give more accurate and higher results. But if the image makes it seem like the crater is deeper than someone's chest then it can be used, like.

I feel like hemisphere works here.

Ye, it looks more like some sort of rock material to me aswell.

Agreed. Daniel is not standing on 'full height' here but they could've definately used his todso+head via taking another image as refference, it could've given more accurate results, probably even higher results too.

Idk what ur onto but the crater seems to be WAYYY larger than Jinyoung to me. Viott's average crater method infact massively downplayed the feat imo. There's literally walls that have been made. Also the example you showed isn't even from the same feat, so idk what ur talking about now. Also, the thing about 2D images are, unless the inconsistency seems to be very obvious from various angles to the point that average calcing value seems to overinflate the results, then only the average values can't be used.

Atp even I'm sure that Viott is tired explaining the confusions regarding pulverization. YES IF SOMETHING LIKE A WALL IS PERFECTLY COMPRESSED INWARDS WITH NO OR MINIMAL FRAGMENTS THEN VSBW DOES AND WILL KEEP USING PULVERIZATION.


My guy...THESE TWO FEATS AREN'T EVEN THE SAME AND HAS ALMOST NO CORRELATION WITH EACH OTHER. The reason pulv was rejected is THIS. Also shapes of such kinda aren't usually considered as pulv unless zero fragments are present, as pulv is more usually used in inward compressed craters.

"Same reason", I don't think so it's the same reason since soil compression is different and is not the same as pulv of dense material like granite or concrete. Though even i think that it's pulv, idk tho. You should maybe tag dmua or something since he evaled these calcs, because he accepted the Seongji calc as pulv but not the first one of KP and when talking about pulv he was talking about the second calc in the KP one but when Arthur pointed out that there's no fragments in the first calc, then he just said "same thing" and stopped replying.


Your disagreement doens't contend me so there's no point on telling. Your points against pulv wasn't really justified properly and substantially, it's just about dmua's evaluation and you can always ask other CGMs to eval if u disagree with one so i don't think so it's a big deal. CGMs can make mistakes and it's fine.

Jaegyeon Na's death kick.
The material is brick obviously not rock.


I will skip the other feats and go straight to Jinyoung's.

I am talking about the same feat. This is called inconsistency, and there is no reason to believe that the crater is actually that deep and long. I already gave my example and reasoning. Jinyoung slammed Kitae into the ground, and the calc claims the crater is 1.8 meters deep and 10 meters long, but my red boundary drawing suggests otherwise.

You simply have not provided enough counterarguments for me to work with. I am talking about the same feat, and I request that you re-read what I wrote.

As for Johan's calc:

Compression of a wall does not automatically translate to pulverization. Johan only managed to create large cracks in the wall itself, putting it more on the verge of fragmentation. The wall was not perfectly compressed into fine powder or dust. Instead, it split into large pieces and formed visible cracks.

If we truly wanted to classify it as pulverization, the affected area should have been much smoother than that. Again I don't know what relationship does this one have with the Jinyoung creaking a crater?

 

[Mercury009]

9-B feats

• Point 1 and 4 seem valid, just changing the shape for the volume should do the trick.
• Point 2 and 3 could be fixed with the new depth ratio that's been going on in a few calcs, although in some cases the results seem super inflated, in "smaller cases" I think it's a valid method.

9-A feats

• True, point 5 could use an update on the material used. Idk why Concrete was accepted when it very brick-looking
• I dont think using using him as a reference instead of the head lenght could change the result drastically but yeah. I guess you can go that route.

9-A+ feats

• The Jinyoung feat never really sit right with me because the math in itself is correct but the aftermath is just nowhere. A crater that's that deep should be viewed from anywhere and people would need some type of movement to get out of there (literally jumping out, since it's as deep as a tomb supposedly). If the depth result of the formula used gives out results of that quantity, imo it should be justified with other clear shots of such depth. Otherwise, it inflates a feat. But that's mostly my 2 cents about it.
• Not really an expert when it comes to usage between pulverization or v. frag so I'll sit this one out and be neutral on that

 

[Pettam33]

I am making this thread mainly due to many calculations that seem really bad to my understanding and should be removed or revised. I will be going from lower to higher. I will only discuss the feats that seem weird or unreliable. I
have just finished reading Lookism, so I might not be fully accurate.

First one
1).Johan kicks Zack

This one assumes the shape to be a hemisphere. Hemisphere is a special case where a sphere is cut in half. There is no evidence to prove this is a hemisphere and I disagree with the chest thickness aswell. Using a spherical cap is much better then hemisphere.

This calc seems super iffy to me... Assuming Viott used Zack's chest thickness here for the depth, in which I would say would be unprovable. The depth he uses needs to be cut in half, unless better images are shown of the feat. Lile i mentioned, I think half his chest depth would be a safe enough enough assumption. I agree with it being a spherical cap as well.

2). Logan punches Alexander hwang

Unlike the calc above, where chest thickness might be debatable, this is completely wrong. Alexander Hwang hits the wall face-first. I don’t know how this was even used here.

Same as above regarding the usage of chest thickness being assumed. It needs more evidence for the usage of such a depth.

3). Warren attacks a gen 0 fighter

Same as the above reason. There isn't evidence to show that the gen 0 guy was completely in the crater. Crashing into a wall really doesn't give the justification for using chest thickness. The main reason I am trying to remove/ revise these old calculations is because I am seeing some influences on the newer ones which use chest thickness to get higher volumes then it should.

Same as above as well. These must have slipped by via being early in the lookism scaling life cycle.

4). Hudson pieces a rock (same as 1)

This calc seems really bare bones, I don't know what to say about this...

Moving on to 9-A calculations.

5). Jaegyeon Na creates a Crater

I don't have much against this other then the material that is being used here. I really don't believe we should use concrete for every type of material that we see. If a material completely dwarfs another in quantity then sure we can use the material that is more in quantity but there is no other visible material asides from brick of course. Here is an actual brick road in real life and this is really close to the material we see in the calculation itself. I have no other problem with this calculation.

I thought they changed this to brick, this clearly isn't concrete, and the material you showed matches it much better imo. So I agree with everything here.

6).Jaegyeon makes huge hole in wall

This calculation uses a smaller reference object when little Daniel is standing on his full height. I don't understand how this even got accepted in the first place. If there is something I missed here then you can remind me.

Agree as well.

Finally we are at 9-A + calculations

7). Jinyoung park creates crater

The main problem with this calc is that the depth is 1.8 meters. That is a lot in comparison, considering Jinyoung, the one who did it, is also 1.8 meters tall. I am not just trying to revise it because 1.8 meters is too much, but also because there are some panels afterward that suggest this crater might actually just be another basement hulk.
To prove this is really inconsistent I have some examples like this one. I have drawn a red boundary around the destroy area of the road. This is definitely not looking like a 1.8 meter deep and 10 meter long crater. I directly asked viott about this issue in the blog itself but he disregarded it as just special effects which is extremely wrong. We can clearly see that outside the red boundary there is no sign of destruction that indicates a 10 meter long crater.

I disagreed with this calc based on the creator not being anywhere close to 1.8 meters. This is just ptj being incredibly inconsistent with his art, and scalerd by extentions abusing angles for getting a higher result. PTJ has done the same thing back in Busan, by putting a wall behind Jinrang vs daniel when there's none present at the fight location.

Another one is here. From this example alone, the 1.8-meter crater argument should be dismissed entirely. There is no other destruction caused by Kitae or Jinyoung that would support this interpretation being inaccurate that we could say that the crater is not the same one.

To better understand this claim, reading Chapter 601 is highly recommended. The edge of Jinyoung's crater in this panel completely undermines the idea of the crater having a depth of 1.8 meters, making it look unrealistic.

Another point to add is that if the crater were truly 1.8 meters deep, then Jinyoung running straight toward Kitae, who was technically outside the crater , should have faced a physical barrier in front of him. Jinyoung was supposedly inside a crater nearly as deep as his own height, yet he managed to pass through it without issue somehow?

I will provide more evidence here

I whole heartedly agree.

8).Johan is opening a big crater

This will be the final calculation that I will cover in this thread. I am fine with everything else that this calc has to offer aside from the usage of pulverization. This is serve problem as compressing a wall is usually what pulverization stands for but it doesn't mean every type of compression feat you see has to use pulverization. The main issue with this not being counted as pulverization is because it should be way more smoother. The wall itself seems to be on the very verge of breaking apart into many pieces. This calc shows how pulverization was rejected and used fragmentation instead for the reasons dmua explained and this is not actually from lookism rather killer peter ( I know that this is another verse but I think I am allowed to use examples) Dmua rejected the first calculation due to the same reason. I would like to add some of my own thoughts before I give a good example of pulverization. The wall itself looks as if johan had applied more power behind the kick even a little it would all fall apart. I don't get why we using pulverization for this feat? Compression alone is not enough to justify that this is pulverization. It clearly has spider web like cracks on it that shows that the material definitely didn't turn into dust. What I actually learned what pulverization means is when you turn something into powder/dust. Same cannot be said for this feat.

If you go into the comment section of the johan feat I had a huge problem with it given the same reasons. Pulverization was auto assumed to be the case here. With deeper understanding of how these things work, all calcs with the same instance would also qualify as pulverization by proxy, which isn't the case. It's simply too assumption heavy. So I heavily agree with this here. The safest interpretation is fragmentation.

Talking about the good example which is James lee is slammed into the ground . Lucky for me this calculation was evaluated by dmua whose words I have been using all this time. Dmua has accepted this calc but rejected the above mentioned one. The reason being even if the crater is compressed, it is clearly cracked into huge pieces that are about to / on the verge of falling. I would disagree with the usage of pulverization in this calculation and instead promote fragmentation here.

This calc shouldn't be used, and if it IS used, it needs heavy revision.

That is it for this thread and if you don't want to read for the 9-B calcs, you are free to look into 9-A and 9-A+ calculations.

 

[Viott]

I am making this thread mainly due to many calculations that seem really bad to my understanding and should be removed or revised. I will be going from lower to higher. I will only discuss the feats that seem weird or unreliable. I
have just finished reading Lookism, so I might not be fully accurate.

First one
1).Johan kicks Zack

This one assumes the shape to be a hemisphere. Hemisphere is a special case where a sphere is cut in half. There is no evidence to prove this is a hemisphere and I disagree with the chest thickness aswell. Using a spherical cap is much better then hemisphere.

Since the depth is deep enough, assuming that the radius is the same as the depth shouldn't be a problem.

4). Hudson pieces a rock (same as 1)

Moving on to 9-A calculations.

It is very clear that the depth of the crater is quite large. Assuming the radius is the same as the depth should not be a problem. Therefore, using the volume of a half-sphere should be fine.

5). Jaegyeon Na creates a Crater

I don't have much against this other then the material that is being used here. I really don't believe we should use concrete for every type of material that we see. If a material completely dwarfs another in quantity then sure we can use the material that is more in quantity but there is no other visible material asides from brick of course. Here is an actual brick road in real life and this is really close to the material we see in the calculation itself. I have no other problem with this calculation.

Don't you see that there is a different material under the brick? The bottom part of the brick is a different color. If the bottom part of the brick is a different color, it means the ground is made not only of brick but also of another material.

7). Jinyoung park creates crater

The main problem with this calc is that the depth is 1.8 meters. That is a lot in comparison, considering Jinyoung, the one who did it, is also 1.8 meters tall. I am not just trying to revise it because 1.8 meters is too much, but also because there are some panels afterward that suggest this crater might actually just be another basement hulk.

The depth of the crater is quite close to Jinyoung, who is 1.83 m tall, so using 1.80 m should not be a problem.

To prove this is really inconsistent I have some examples like this one. I have drawn a red boundary around the destroy area of the road. This is definitely not looking like a 1.8 meter deep and 10 meter long crater. I directly asked viott about this issue in the blog itself but he disregarded it as just special effects which is extremely wrong. We can clearly see that outside the red boundary there is no sign of destruction that indicates a 10 meter long crater.

You are wrong. What we see in the area you showed is just the shockwave and its effect. Asphalt is not literally visible.

Another one is here. From this example alone, the 1.8-meter crater argument should be dismissed entirely. There is no other destruction caused by Kitae or Jinyoung that would support this interpretation being inaccurate that we could say that the crater is not the same one.

First, Kitae moves away from the crater and comes to Changsu's side.

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And Jinyoung runs toward Kitae.

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It’s very clear that both characters moved away from the crater.

As for the spot you pointed out with the arrow, you have absolutely no 100% proof that it belongs to the crater. The fight between Jinyoung and Changsu was not fully shown. Maybe they caused it. Or while Daniel and Kitae were fighting, they were shown damaging the ground multiple times, so it could be one of those impacts as well.

Like I said, you have no 100% proof that it belongs to the crater. It could have been caused by the characters I mentioned.

To better understand this claim, reading Chapter 601 is highly recommended. The edge of Jinyoung's crater in this panel completely undermines the idea of the crater having a depth of 1.8 meters, making it look unrealistic.

I already explained this.

As for the spot you pointed out with the arrow, you have absolutely no 100% proof that it belongs to the crater. The fight between Jinyoung and Changsu was not fully shown. Maybe they caused it. Or while Daniel and Kitae were fighting, they were shown damaging the ground multiple times, so it could be one of those impacts as well.

Another point to add is that if the crater were truly 1.8 meters deep, then Jinyoung running straight toward Kitae, who was technically outside the crater , should have faced a physical barrier in front of him. Jinyoung was supposedly inside a crater nearly as deep as his own height, yet he managed to pass through it without issue somehow?

If there is no obstacle in front of Jinyoung, it means he came out of the crater and ran toward Kitae.

Most of your arguments are based on assumptions.

8).Johan is opening a big crater

This will be the final calculation that I will cover in this thread. I am fine with everything else that this calc has to offer aside from the usage of pulverization. This is serve problem as compressing a wall is usually what pulverization stands for but it doesn't mean every type of compression feat you see has to use pulverization. The main issue with this not being counted as pulverization is because it should be way more smoother. The wall itself seems to be on the very verge of breaking apart into many pieces. This calc shows how pulverization was rejected and used fragmentation instead for the reasons dmua explained
and this is not actually from lookism rather killer peter ( I know that this is another verse but I think I am allowed to use examples) Dmua rejected the first calculation due to the same reason. I would like to add some of my own thoughts before I give a good example of pulverization. The wall itself looks as if johan had applied more power behind the kick even a little it would all fall apart. I don't get why we using pulverization for this feat? Compression alone is not enough to justify that this is pulverization. It clearly has spider web like cracks on it that shows that the material definitely didn't turn into dust. What I actually learned what pulverization means is when you turn something into powder/dust. Same cannot be said for this feat.

The pulverization value comes from compressive strength.

https://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=3d4056a86e79481cb6a80c89caae1d90

Since the crater is compressed inward, compressive strength should be used.

Talking about the good example which is James lee is slammed into the ground . Lucky for me this calculation was evaluated by dmua whose words I have been using all this time. Dmua has accepted this calc but rejected the above mentioned one. The reason being even if the crater is compressed, it is clearly cracked into huge pieces that are about to / on the verge of falling. I would disagree with the usage of pulverization in this calculation and instead promote fragmentation here.


That is it for this thread and if you don't want to read for the 9-B calcs, you are free to look into 9-A and 9-A+ calculations.

There are relatively few fragments compared to the volume. This means that most of the volume was compressed inward.


As I said, the pulverization value comes from compressive strength.

 

[Lilybitdun]

This should be moved to Calc Group Discussion

 

[Pyro9278]

I am making this thread mainly due to many calculations that seem really bad to my understanding and should be removed or revised. I will be going from lower to higher. I will only discuss the feats that seem weird or unreliable. I
have just finished reading Lookism, so I might not be fully accurate.

First one
1).Johan kicks Zack

This one assumes the shape to be a hemisphere. Hemisphere is a special case where a sphere is cut in half. There is no evidence to prove this is a hemisphere and I disagree with the chest thickness aswell. Using a spherical cap is much better then hemisphere.

2). Logan punches Alexander hwang

Unlike the calc above, where chest thickness might be debatable, this is completely wrong. Alexander Hwang hits the wall face-first. I don’t know how this was even used here.

3). Warren attacks a gen 0 fighter

Same as the above reason. There isn't evidence to show that the gen 0 guy was completely in the crater. Crashing into a wall really doesn't give the justification for using chest thickness. The main reason I am trying to remove/ revise these old calculations is because I am seeing some influences on the newer ones which use chest thickness to get higher volumes then it should.

4). Hudson pieces a rock (same as 1)

Moving on to 9-A calculations.

5). Jaegyeon Na creates a Crater

I don't have much against this other then the material that is being used here. I really don't believe we should use concrete for every type of material that we see. If a material completely dwarfs another in quantity then sure we can use the material that is more in quantity but there is no other visible material asides from brick of course. Here is an actual brick road in real life and this is really close to the material we see in the calculation itself. I have no other problem with this calculation.

6).Jaegyeon makes huge hole in wall

This calculation uses a smaller reference object when little Daniel is standing on his full height. I don't understand how this even got accepted in the first place. If there is something I missed here then you can remind me.

Finally we are at 9-A + calculations

7). Jinyoung park creates crater

The main problem with this calc is that the depth is 1.8 meters. That is a lot in comparison, considering Jinyoung, the one who did it, is also 1.8 meters tall. I am not just trying to revise it because 1.8 meters is too much, but also because there are some panels afterward that suggest this crater might actually just be another basement hulk.
To prove this is really inconsistent I have some examples like this one. I have drawn a red boundary around the destroy area of the road. This is definitely not looking like a 1.8 meter deep and 10 meter long crater. I directly asked viott about this issue in the blog itself but he disregarded it as just special effects which is extremely wrong. We can clearly see that outside the red boundary there is no sign of destruction that indicates a 10 meter long crater.

Another one is here. From this example alone, the 1.8-meter crater argument should be dismissed entirely. There is no other destruction caused by Kitae or Jinyoung that would support this interpretation being inaccurate that we could say that the crater is not the same one.

To better understand this claim, reading Chapter 601 is highly recommended. The edge of Jinyoung's crater in this panel completely undermines the idea of the crater having a depth of 1.8 meters, making it look unrealistic.

Another point to add is that if the crater were truly 1.8 meters deep, then Jinyoung running straight toward Kitae, who was technically outside the crater , should have faced a physical barrier in front of him. Jinyoung was supposedly inside a crater nearly as deep as his own height, yet he managed to pass through it without issue somehow?

I will provide more evidence here

8).Johan is opening a big crater

This will be the final calculation that I will cover in this thread. I am fine with everything else that this calc has to offer aside from the usage of pulverization. This is serve problem as compressing a wall is usually what pulverization stands for but it doesn't mean every type of compression feat you see has to use pulverization. The main issue with this not being counted as pulverization is because it should be way more smoother. The wall itself seems to be on the very verge of breaking apart into many pieces. This calc shows how pulverization was rejected and used fragmentation instead for the reasons dmua explained and this is not actually from lookism rather killer peter ( I know that this is another verse but I think I am allowed to use examples) Dmua rejected the first calculation due to the same reason. I would like to add some of my own thoughts before I give a good example of pulverization. The wall itself looks as if johan had applied more power behind the kick even a little it would all fall apart. I don't get why we using pulverization for this feat? Compression alone is not enough to justify that this is pulverization. It clearly has spider web like cracks on it that shows that the material definitely didn't turn into dust. What I actually learned what pulverization means is when you turn something into powder/dust. Same cannot be said for this feat.

Talking about the good example which is James lee is slammed into the ground . Lucky for me this calculation was evaluated by dmua whose words I have been using all this time. Dmua has accepted this calc but rejected the above mentioned one. The reason being even if the crater is compressed, it is clearly cracked into huge pieces that are about to / on the verge of falling. I would disagree with the usage of pulverization in this calculation and instead promote fragmentation here.


That is it for this thread and if you don't want to read for the 9-B calcs, you are free to look into 9-A and 9-A+ calculations.

I was already worried they'd start discussing chain scaling for some crazy agenda, but apparently it's just calculations (none of which actually affect the current 9-A... Lmao). Yeah, this is outside my discussion, but I think it should go to the CGM discussion instead of content review.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Since the depth is deep enough, assuming that the radius is the same as the depth shouldn't be a problem.


It is very clear that the depth of the crater is quite large. Assuming the radius is the same as the depth should not be a problem. Therefore, using the volume of a half-sphere should be fine.

Don't you see that there is a different material under the brick? The bottom part of the brick is a different color. If the bottom part of the brick is a different color, it means the ground is made not only of brick but also of another material.


The depth of the crater is quite close to Jinyoung, who is 1.83 m tall, so using 1.80 m should not be a problem.

You are wrong. What we see in the area you showed is just the shockwave and its effect. Asphalt is not literally visible.

First, Kitae moves away from the crater and comes to Changsu's side.

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It’s very clear that both characters moved away from the crater.

As for the spot you pointed out with the arrow, you have absolutely no 100% proof that it belongs to the crater. The fight between Jinyoung and Changsu was not fully shown. Maybe they caused it. Or while Daniel and Kitae were fighting, they were shown damaging the ground multiple times, so it could be one of those impacts as well.

Like I said, you have no 100% proof that it belongs to the crater. It could have been caused by the characters I mentioned.

I already explained this.




If there is no obstacle in front of Jinyoung, it means he came out of the crater and ran toward Kitae.

Most of your arguments are based on assumptions.

The pulverization value comes from compressive strength.

https://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=3d4056a86e79481cb6a80c89caae1d90

Since the crater is compressed inward, compressive strength should be used.

There are relatively few fragments compared to the volume. This means that most of the volume was compressed inward.


As I said, the pulverization value comes from compressive strength.

I will assume that the ones you didn't address should be agreed to be faulty.

I will really not focus on 9-B calcs for now and I will address them later since they are technically not the main priority of this thread at the moment. So, I apologize for that in advance.

Jaegyeon Na's death kick

The problem is what material? It can just be brick staked on top of each other. Also why would brick be placed on top of concrete? If there is a system like that then you should give an example.. I don't think we should use concrete for every destruction type feat we seem.

Jinyoung's punch.

This should be the least debatable calc here in the list aside from few. Both kitae and Jinyoung barely moved much in this calculation. You currently have no proof that this WAS caused due to previous fights beforehand. While that cannot be said for the counter BECAUSE this happens right after the fight between kitae and Jinyoung. This all happened in the same chapter making this more likely. This is why I recommended reading ch 601 again as even from the image you provided it is clearly shown that after kitae is outside of the crater then finally Jinyoung runs after him seemingly phasing through a 1.8 meter deep crater. He hasn't been shown to move before to say that he could have just jumped over it but that is not the case here. To counter the special effect argument. This is basically the art style of ptj and we cannot dismiss it for special effects alone.

Johan opens a crater.

What I know about pulverization . It is the process of compressing a substance or material inward and TURNING it into fine dust/ powder. Compression alone doesn't provide you the free ticket to pulverization. You know that if a straight punch is thrown at a wall then the wall is being compressed but when the punch slides it is shear strength. I know you guys will not take me seriously,so I even backed my claim from dmua's comment over the years about such type of feats. The feat itself when looking at it seems as if it is NOT turned into dust completely as there as visible fragments and has huge cracks to it adding this up to as fragmentation.
I really gave an actual calculation that has used pulverization and comparing both. The difference is actually quite alot.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

I was already worried they'd start discussing chain scaling for some crazy agenda, but apparently it's just calculations (none of which actually affect the current 9-A... Lmao). Yeah, this is outside my discussion, but I think it should go to the CGM discussion instead of content review.

I was not thinking much when I posted the thread. I think I should ask a staff to move it to CGM discussion.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

7). Jinyoung park creates crater

The main problem with this calc is that the depth is 1.8 meters. That is a lot in comparison, considering Jinyoung, the one who did it, is also 1.8 meters tall. I am not just trying to revise it because 1.8 meters is too much, but also because there are some panels afterward that suggest this crater might actually just be another basement hulk.
To prove this is really inconsistent I have some examples like this one. I have drawn a red boundary around the destroy area of the road. This is definitely not looking like a 1.8 meter deep and 10 meter long crater. I directly asked viott about this issue in the blog itself but he disregarded it as just special effects which is extremely wrong. We can clearly see that outside the red boundary there is no sign of destruction that indicates a 10 meter long crater.

That's still shockwave tho and we can't even see the depth of the crater because of the shockwave and outside is also hard to push cause again flashy panel

Another one is here. From this example alone, the 1.8-meter crater argument should be dismissed entirely. There is no other destruction caused by Kitae or Jinyoung that would support this interpretation being inaccurate that we could say that the crater is not the same one.

How does that make sense? We're only seeing the edge of the crater, not the full thing. You can't debunk it from that alone. By that logic, Johan's 933 MJ feat gets thrown out too since nothing else in his fight with Gun was on that level.

To better understand this claim, reading Chapter 601 is highly recommended. The edge of Jinyoung's crater in this panel completely undermines the idea of the crater having a depth of 1.8 meters, making it look unrealistic.

Another point to add is that if the crater were truly 1.8 meters deep, then Jinyoung running straight toward Kitae, who was technically outside the crater ,

Again, Jinyoung jumping on Kitae doesn't really dismiss it. We can't even see Jinyoung's background to determine anything, so you're assuming that the crater isn't 1.8m based on a panel that only shows a plain white background with the sky and no crater in sight.Also, he was already in front of Kitae. Nothing shows that he ran from the crater to Kitae in panel. And add to that, even if we assume Jinyoung didn't jump out of crater but climbed out of the crater,Kitae and Changsu exchanged dialogue, so Jinyoung had enough time to climb out. It's not like he had back pain or his age was showing that he can't climb that height

should have faced a physical barrier in front of him. Jinyoung was supposedly inside a crater nearly as deep as his own height, yet he managed to pass through it without issue somehow?

This part is bugging me because it doesn't even make sense. First, Kitae literally appeared in front of Changsu without any trouble, despite that crater being waist-high.
He got out without any panel showing it, so why can't Jinyoung? Jinyoung doesn't need a ladder or have to wait for some worker henchman to give him a hand so he could climb out. Also, to back this up, we literally see Jinyoung in air, so why can't we just say Jinyoung jumped out of the crater?

 

[WindyAttack]

This feels like targeted attempt at down grading Lookism since KP also got down graded

 

[Mercury009]

This feels like targeted attempt at down grading Lookism since KP also got down graded

Kind of faulty to dismiss several adjustments if they are in fact wrong.

On another note: How do CGM/People decide the exact values to decide the percentage of a certain type of destruction? I re-read the Johnan chapter in which he performs the feat, there are several big fragments near him that would definitely invalidate the 95% choice but Im not sure how Viott got to that number in the first place

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

I did not make this thread because killer peter got downgraded. I made it because some of the calculations and assumptions used in these feats seem inconsistent or unreliable to me. If I really wanted them push an agenda why would I even try to keep gapyroung Kim's feat? Why has it to be that way? I never mentioned killer peter aside from a harmless example.

Whether a verse was upgraded or downgraded somewhere else is irrelevant here. The only thing that matters is if the arguments, measurements, and methodology used in these calcs are accurate.

If any of my points are wrong, feel free to address them directly with counterarguments . Calling it an “agenda” does not really address the issues I brought up.

This feels like targeted attempt at down grading Lookism since KP also got down graded

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

That's still shockwave tho and we can't even see the depth of the crater because of the shockwave and outside is also hard to push cause again flashy panel

How does that make sense? We're only seeing the edge of the crater, not the full thing. You can't debunk it from that alone. By that logic, Johan's 933 MJ feat gets thrown out too since nothing else in his fight with Gun was on that level.

Again, Jinyoung jumping on Kitae doesn't really dismiss it. We can't even see Jinyoung's background to determine anything, so you're assuming that the crater isn't 1.8m based on a panel that only shows a plain white background with the sky and no crater in sight.Also, he was already in front of Kitae. Nothing shows that he ran from the crater to Kitae in panel. And to add to that, even if we assume Jinyoung didn't jump out of crater but climbed out of the crater,Kitae and Changsu exchanged dialogue, so Jinyoung had enough time to climb out. It's not like he had back pain or his age was showing that he can't climb that height


This part is bugging me because it doesn't even make sense. First, Kitae literally appeared in front of Changsu without any trouble, despite that crater being waist-high.
He got out without any panel showing it, so why can't Jinyoung? Jinyoung doesn't need a ladder or have to wait for some worker henchman to give him a hand so he could climb out. Also, to back this up, we literally see Jinyoung in air, so why can't we just say Jinyoung jumped out of the crater?

The main reason I drew a red boundary seems to have been ignored here. The destruction didn't reach outside of the boundary. This should be enough to why this crater isn't really 10 meters long.
The shockwave part is irrelevant because I did explain how the color of the road changes time to time not just now. I know we can all see it clearly that the area outside of the red boundary is already undamaged it is a matter of intent and how you plan on viewing it.

Am I failing to understand this or are you failing to explain it? This has no relationship with Johan's feat first. The main standing point of the Jinyoung's punch is the edge. If it is not for the edges then the crater is are dismissed to not be at 1.8 meter or even close to it. Because there is a panel showing kitae laying inside of it. That would just make the 1.8 m wrong? No in this case special effects seems correct but the reason I chose to bring you the edge is because huge walls formed due to the punch going by the panel used in the calc but here it is completely different and Jinyoung punching kitae down to the ground really supports this argument as well. This is inconsistency of lookism similar to basement hulk.

About Jinyoung running to kitae.
This is the actual reason why I intended for you to re-read chapter 601.
Jinyoung is shown to process what has happened of his thumb. He tore it off and charged at kitae. Phasing through a 1.8 meter wall. Jinyoung is supposed to be standing INSIDE the crater. Kitae outside and we are all clear on that right? Jinyoung was never shown to move before and only after he tore his thumb off himself. That would dismiss the fact that Jinyoung jumping over it.
It really makes sense because the edge of the other crater is right next to where kitae Kim knocks Jinyoung out meaning that Jinyoung didn't even go that far . He is charging at kitae in a straight line which could mean 1 of 2 things.
1)Jinyoung has magical powers or
2) there wasn't a 1.8 meter wall to begin with.

I mean your arguments would have been considerable if I was arguing there was no chance of Jinyoung to climb out then maybe you are correct but I am saying that there is no such 1.8 deep crater in the first place .

 

[Viott]

Jaegyeon Na's death kick

The problem is what material? It can just be brick staked on top of each other. Also why would brick be placed on top of concrete? If there is a system like that then you should give an example.. I don't think we should use concrete for every destruction type feat we seem.

It is possible to use both bricks and asphalt.

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If they were bricks stacked on top of each other, the bottom part wouldn’t be a different color.

Jinyoung's punch.

This should be the least debatable calc here in the list aside from few. Both kitae and Jinyoung barely moved much in this calculation.

I already explained that both of them moved away from the crater.

First, Kitae moves away from the crater and comes to Changsu's side.

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It’s very clear that both characters moved away from the crater.

You currently have no proof that this WAS caused due to previous fights beforehand.

You’re the one assuming that the spot you pointed at belongs to the crater. In that case, you’re the one who needs to prove it, but for the reasons I mentioned, there’s no evidence for it.


You’re assuming that the spot you pointed at is the crater being drawn inconsistently, but you don’t even have proof of that.

While that cannot be said for the counter BECAUSE this happens right after the fight between kitae and Jinyoung. This all happened in the same chapter making this more likely.

What?


Just because it happened in the same chapter doesn’t increase the likelihood that the place you pointed to with the arrow belongs to the crater. I already mentioned that Kitae and Jinyoung moved away from the crater. The spot you pointed at could have been caused by the other characters.


There is zero evidence proving that it belongs to the crater. Your arguments are nothing more than assumptions.

This is why I recommended reading ch 601 again as even from the image you provided it is clearly shown that after kitae is outside of the crater then finally Jinyoung runs after him seemingly phasing through a 1.8 meter deep crater. He hasn't been shown to move before to say that he could have just jumped over it but that is not the case here.

what are you even talking about?


It was never shown that Jinyoung went through the inside of the crater. There’s no reason preventing him from jumping or climbing out of the crater.

To counter the special effect argument. This is basically the art style of ptj and we cannot dismiss it for special effects alone.

So??? That doesn’t change the fact that 90% of the crater wasn’t visible because of the effect.

Johan opens a crater.

What I know about pulverization . It is the process of compressing a substance or material inward and TURNING it into fine dust/ powder.

You’re ignoring my argument. I’ll repeat it again: we don’t need to see dust, because the pulverization value actually comes from compressive strength. And I already sent a link above as proof.

The absence of dust inside the crater does not mean that compressive strength cannot be used. Compressive strength refers to the crushing or breaking limit of a material; in other words, it is not about whether something turns into dust, but about structural collapse.


Therefore, when evaluating crater formation, it is not correct to look only at the presence of dust. Effects such as crushing, cracking, and deformation can also be explained by compressive strength.


Since the crater was compressed inward, compressive strength should be used.

Compression alone doesn't provide you the free ticket to pulverization.

I already explained this.

You’re ignoring my argument. I’ll repeat it again: we don’t need to see dust, because the pulverization value actually comes from compressive strength. And I already sent a link above as proof.

You know that if a straight punch is thrown at a wall then the wall is being compressed but when the punch slides it is shear strength. I know you guys will not take me seriously,so I even backed my claim from dmua's comment over the years about such type of feats. The feat itself when looking at it seems as if it is NOT turned into dust completely as there as visible fragments and has huge cracks to it adding this up to as fragmentation.

In hundreds of similar calculations, including CGM members, the pulverization value has continuously been used (even though there was no dust around), and they will continue to use it.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

It is possible to use both bricks and asphalt.

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If they were bricks stacked on top of each other, the bottom part wouldn’t be a different color.

I already explained that both of them moved away from the crater.

Seems reasonable atleast. If that is the case then shouldn't you put it in the blog to explain it and also the material should be majorly bricks as well. They seem an abundance in the feat itself. I perfectly fine with everything else.

I already explained that both of them moved away from the crater.



You’re the one assuming that the spot you pointed at belongs to the crater. In that case, you’re the one who needs to prove it, but for the reasons I mentioned, there’s no evidence for it.


You’re assuming that the spot you pointed at is the crater being drawn inconsistently, but you don’t even have proof of that.

What?


Just because it happened in the same chapter doesn’t increase the likelihood that the place you pointed to with the arrow belongs to the crater. I already mentioned that Kitae and Jinyoung moved away from the crater. The spot you pointed at could have been caused by the other characters.


There is zero evidence proving that it belongs to the crater. Your arguments are nothing more than assumptions.

what are you even talking about?


It was never shown that Jinyoung went through the inside of the crater. There’s no reason preventing him from jumping or climbing out of the crater.

So??? That doesn’t change the fact that 90% of the crater wasn’t visible because of the effect.

I already showed how there is no destruction outside of the Crater. I don't know what you are even saying when you mean 90% is not visible when clearly that 90% doesn't even exist. When you defend your claim. You cannot defend it using that same claim." If crater is 10 m because 2-3 meters is not visible" is that you are trying to say? If this was confirmed to be 10 meters then yes might be true BUT we are arguing that the crater itself is inconsistent so saying that here of all places is extermely wrong.That is just wrong in so many ways. Even if it were just special effects or shockwave. Why was the destruction not shown? Because inside the red boundary there are still effects yet the destruction is shown.
The outside is not even damaged.
am not claiming with 100% certainty that the marked area belongs to the crater. My point is that the current interpretation assuming a perfectly consistent 1.8-meter deep crater also lacks definitive proof.
The chapter itself shows inconsistent visual presentation after the slam. Since Kitae and Jinyoung slightly moved away from the impact zone, later panels become important for determining the crater’s actual extent and shape.
The marked section is relevant because it appears connected to the surrounding destruction pattern in the same location sequence. Dismissing it entirely as “caused by other characters” is also an assumption unless there is direct evidence showing another impact created it. So in this case having the same chapter increases the likelihood.

So this is not “my assumption vs confirmed whatever you like to call it/source.” Both interpretations rely on inference from the panels. The issue is which interpretation is more visually consistent with the manwha presentation overall. So " " was just really unnecessary here

You’re ignoring my argument. I’ll repeat it again: we don’t need to see dust, because the pulverization value actually comes from compressive strength. And I already sent a link above as proof.

The absence of dust inside the crater does not mean that compressive strength cannot be used. Compressive strength refers to the crushing or breaking limit of a material; in other words, it is not about whether something turns into dust, but about structural collapse.


Therefore, when evaluating crater formation, it is not correct to look only at the presence of dust. Effects such as crushing, cracking, and deformation can also be explained by compressive strength.


Since the crater was compressed inward, compressive strength should be used.

I already explained this.





In hundreds of similar calculations, including CGM members, the pulverization value has continuously been used (even though there was no dust around), and they will continue to use it.

I know that you have been doing these for a long time so it is natural that you would definitely know more then me. And I understand your point about compressive strength and yea I agree that compressive failure is not only about turning something into dust. Crushing, cracking and inward collapse can all happen because of compressive stress.

But my argument was never “compression cannot happen without dust”.compression alone is enough to justify pulverization values. That is where I disagree.

Even in the feat itself there are still visible fractures, large broken pieces and heavy cracking. Thats why I think fragmentation fits more consistently here rather then full pulverization.

Also the material link you send is talking about compressive strength as a property of the material itself, not automatically proving every compressed crater should be treated as pulverization in calculations.

And about other calcs using pulverization despite no dust, that can happen yes, but I dont think that alone should decide this feat. Each feat should still depend on the actual destruction shown in the panel. Also could you provide an example for me to actually see what you mean? Because I have never seen such large cracks and huge fragments about to fall off treated as pulverization.

 

[WindyAttack]

I did not make this thread because killer peter got downgraded. I made it because some of the calculations and assumptions used in these feats seem inconsistent or unreliable to me. If I really wanted them push an agenda why would I even try to keep gapyroung Kim's feat? Why has it to be that way? I never mentioned killer peter aside from a harmless example.

Whether a verse was upgraded or downgraded somewhere else is irrelevant here. The only thing that matters is if the arguments, measurements, and methodology used in these calcs are accurate.

If any of my points are wrong, feel free to address them directly with counterarguments . Calling it an “agenda” does not really address the issues I brought up.

"Feels like"

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

"Feels like"

"Feels like" is also a lot. Just to clear things up, Lookism and Killer Peter were among the first few manhwa I read due to some recommendations, including Reality Quest and other few action manwha. I didn’t know or wasn’t aware that Lookism vs. Killer Peter was even a topic, let alone a controversial one before I made the thread. It was wrong of you to accuse me of that. This really gives off the wrong impression. Let’s not stray too far away from the main point.

 

[WindyAttack]

"Feels like" is also a lot. Just to clear things up, Lookism and Killer Peter were among the first few manhwa I read due to some recommendations, including Reality Quest and other few action manwha. I didn’t know or wasn’t aware that Lookism vs. Killer Peter was even a topic, let alone a controversial one before I made the thread. It was wrong of you to accuse me of that. This really gives off the wrong impression. Let’s not stray too far away from the main point.

Not really a wrong immersion considering the specific example was from KP.

Also KP and lookism fandoms are like OPM vs DB fandom they like to slander each other a lot.

Also yea KP did indeed get down to subsonic due to Down Grade threads that led people to try to down grade lookism to 9A with Subsonic speeds

 

[Pyro9278]

The point is clear, but I don't think OP made the CRT with that intention

 

[Viott]

Seems reasonable atleast. If that is the case then shouldn't you put it in the blog to explain it

I don’t need to write this in a blog because it is very clear that there is a different material underneath the brick.

and also the material should be majorly bricks as well. They seem an abundance in the feat itself. I perfectly fine with everything else.

It is very clear that there is a material underneath the brick that is different from the brick itself and much thicker than it. This means the ground is mostly made of asphalt.

I already showed how there is no destruction outside of the Crater.

I already explained this.

As for the spot you pointed out with the arrow, you have absolutely no 100% proof that it belongs to the crater. The fight between Jinyoung and Changsu was not fully shown. Maybe they caused it. Or while Daniel and Kitae were fighting, they were shown damaging the ground multiple times, so it could be one of those impacts as well.

Like I said, you have no 100% proof that it belongs to the crater. It could have been caused by the characters I mentioned.

I don't know what you are even saying when you mean 90% is not visible when clearly that 90% doesn't even exist. When you defend your claim. You cannot defend it using that same claim." If crater is 10 m because 2-3 meters is not visible" is that you are trying to say?

I’m saying that the 9-meter part of the crater is not visible (maybe a bit less). No, there is no asphalt visible outside the red circle. The only thing we see is a shockwave and effects. The asphalt is not visible. A large part of the crater is not visible.

If this was confirmed to be 10 meters then yes might be true BUT we are arguing that the crater itself is inconsistent so saying that here of all places is extermely wrong.That is just wrong in so many ways. Even if it were just special effects or shockwave.

I know what you’re trying to argue.


You are assuming that the crater is drawn inconsistently, and you’re not understanding what I mean. I’m saying the crater is not drawn inconsistently; because of the shockwave and effects, a large part of the crater is not visible. I’ve repeated this many times.

Why was the destruction not shown? Because inside the red boundary there are still effects yet the destruction is shown.

Because the shockwave and effects caused a large part of the crater to not be visible.

am not claiming with 100% certainty that the marked area belongs to the crater. My point is that the current interpretation assuming a perfectly consistent 1.8-meter deep crater also lacks definitive proof.
The chapter itself shows inconsistent visual presentation after the slam.

You are saying that the crater depth is not 1.80 m, but you are wrong. The crater depth is very close to Jinyoung’s height of 1.83 m. You are underestimating the crater’s depth. It is very clear that the crater is actually very deep and quite close to Jinyoung’s 1.83 m height. You cannot deny this.

Since Kitae and Jinyoung slightly moved away from the impact zone, later panels become important for determining the crater’s actual extent and shape.

I’m saying this one last time. There is no evidence that the damage you indicated with the arrow belongs to the crater. You are only assuming it.

The marked section is relevant because it appears connected to the surrounding destruction pattern in the same location sequence. Dismissing it entirely as “caused by other characters” is also an assumption unless there is direct evidence showing another impact created it. So in this case having the same chapter increases the likelihood.

Being from the same chapter does not increase the probability that the area you marked with the arrow belongs to the crater. You are the one assuming that the damage marked with the arrow is part of the crater, so you are the one who needs to prove it. But you have no evidence; you are only making assumptions. The fight between Jinyoung and Changsu was not fully shown. Maybe they caused that damage to the ground. Or when Daniel and Kitae were fighting, it was shown that they repeatedly damaged the ground, so it could be one of those impacts. As I said, you are just making assumptions.

So this is not “my assumption vs confirmed whatever you like to call it/source.” Both interpretations rely on inference from the panels. The issue is which interpretation is more visually consistent with the manwha presentation overall. So " " was just really unnecessary here

I already explained this above. I’m not going to repeat the same thing.

Being from the same chapter does not increase the probability that the area you marked with the arrow belongs to the crater. You are the one assuming that the damage marked with the arrow is part of the crater, so you are the one who needs to prove it. But you have no evidence; you are only making assumptions. The fight between Jinyoung and Changsu was not fully shown. Maybe they caused that damage to the ground. Or when Daniel and Kitae were fighting, it was shown that they repeatedly damaged the ground, so it could be one of those impacts. As I said, you are just making assumptions.

I know that you have been doing these for a long time so it is natural that you would definitely know more then me. And I understand your point about compressive strength and yea I agree that compressive failure is not only about turning something into dust. Crushing, cracking and inward collapse can all happen because of compressive stress.

But my argument was never “compression cannot happen without dust”.compression alone is enough to justify pulverization values. That is where I disagree.

Even in the feat itself there are still visible fractures, large broken pieces and heavy cracking. Thats why I think fragmentation fits more consistently here rather then full pulverization.

I’ve already explained this.

The absence of dust inside the crater does not mean that compressive strength cannot be used. Compressive strength refers to the crushing or breaking limit of a material; in other words, it is not about whether something turns into dust, but about structural collapse.


Therefore, when evaluating crater formation, it is not correct to look only at the presence of dust. Effects such as crushing, cracking, and deformation can also be explained by compressive strength.


Since the crater was compressed inward, compressive strength should be used.

Also the material link you send is talking about compressive strength as a property of the material itself, not automatically proving every compressed crater should be treated as pulverization in calculations.

This page explains where the pulverization values come from.

Calculations

In order to determine a character's Destructive Capacity, we must first look through the character's feats and determine how much energy was exerted to perform such a feat. Sometimes, the destructive capacity of the feat can be determined easily without the need for a calculation, but most of...

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And about other calcs using pulverization despite no dust, that can happen yes, but I dont think that alone should decide this feat. Each feat should still depend on the actual destruction shown in the panel. Also could you provide an example for me to actually see what you mean? Because I have never seen such large cracks and huge fragments about to fall off treated as pulverization.

An example.

Young Saitama's Durability (Small Adjustment)

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[Sigmagoon14]

The main reason I drew a red boundary seems to have been ignored here. The destruction didn't reach outside of the boundary. This should be enough to why this crater isn't really 10 meters long.
The shockwave part is irrelevant because I did explain how the color of the road changes time to time not just now. I know we can all see it clearly that the area outside of the red boundary is already undamaged it is a matter of intent and how you plan on viewing it.

Yeah, it's a flashy panel. The angle isn't top-down, so you can't claim the crater's small. It puts Jinyoung and Kitae at nearly the same height even though we know the height gap is massive. The POV looks like it's from the front on raised ground, not bird's eye.
That's exactly why I'm calling it a flashy shot.

Am I failing to understand this or are you failing to explain it? This has no relationship with Johan's feat first. The main standing point of the Jinyoung's punch is the edge. If it is not for the edges then the crater is are dismissed to not be at 1.8 meter or even close to it. Because there is a panel showing kitae laying inside of it. That would just make the 1.8 m wrong? No in this case special effects seems correct but the reason I chose to bring you the edge is because huge walls formed due to the punch going by the panel used in the calc but here it is completely different and Jinyoung punching kitae down to the ground really supports this argument as well. This is inconsistency of lookism similar to basement hulk.

So we should throw out the 1.8m calc because there's no huge wall visible? My point still stands. You're making assumptions off a small edge of the crater. In the panel you used, the cracks clearly go beyond the walls, so how are you calling it inconsistent based on that? BH vs Goo was a blatant inconsistency, we all saw it. Here, you're nitpicking a tiny crack from a crater that literally extends past the walls.so i don't really think it should declare inconsistent based on assumption of small crack

About Jinyoung running to kitae.
This is the actual reason why I intended for you to re-read chapter 601.
Jinyoung is shown to process what has happened of his thumb. He tore it off and charged at kitae. Phasing through a 1.8 meter wall. Jinyoung is supposed to be standing INSIDE the crater. Kitae outside and we are all clear on that right? Jinyoung was never shown to move before and only after he tore his thumb off himself. That would dismiss the fact that Jinyoung jumping over it.
It really makes sense because the edge of the other crater is right next to where kitae Kim knocks Jinyoung out meaning that Jinyoung didn't even go that far . He is charging at kitae in a straight line which could mean 1 of 2 things.
1)Jinyoung has magical powers or
2) there wasn't a 1.8 meter wall to begin with.

How are you dismissing the jump? Because he charged straight from the crater? Tell me how you know he ran. He could've jumped after pulling his thumb the panel literally shows him in the air. He's also above Kitae's chest level from that angle. So yeah, he jumped. No idea how you concluded he didn't jumped?

 

[CatLover313]

Most of what I would've said was already said by Mercury so I won't touch upon anything else. Neutral on Compression and Pulverization.

Only thing I really want to say is that I've been seeing an uptick on using the ratio of 0.14 to 0.20 for calculating the depth-to-diameter ratio. I will not lie, I used it for one of my lookism calculations too (so I'm fine if it has to be removed/changed) but I've been seeing many calculations use it often leading to way larger values especially for craters that don't even "look" like it matches the depth. Plus, as I've looked through the actual site that used the depth-to-impact ratio, it's mentioned the impact would be effected by the gravity field of the planet (the ratio came from the moon) and the material of said moon. Plus, the biggest thing is that even other sites that try to calculate the depth-to-impact always mention that these impacts come from hypervelocity meteor impacts with velocities in much higher magnitudes compared to the much lower in both area + speed of these superhuman calculations. I believe that there should be discussions about continue usage of these ratios for these kinds of calculations.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

I don’t need to write this in a blog because it is very clear that there is a different material underneath the brick.

It is very clear that there is a material underneath the brick that is different from the brick itself and much thicker than it. This means the ground is mostly made of asphalt.

I already explained this.


I’m saying that the 9-meter part of the crater is not visible (maybe a bit less). No, there is no asphalt visible outside the red circle. The only thing we see is a shockwave and effects. The asphalt is not visible. A large part of the crater is not visible.

I know what you’re trying to argue.


You are assuming that the crater is drawn inconsistently, and you’re not understanding what I mean. I’m saying the crater is not drawn inconsistently; because of the shockwave and effects, a large part of the crater is not visible. I’ve repeated this many times.

Because the shockwave and effects caused a large part of the crater to not be visible.


You are saying that the crater depth is not 1.80 m, but you are wrong. The crater depth is very close to Jinyoung’s height of 1.83 m. You are underestimating the crater’s depth. It is very clear that the crater is actually very deep and quite close to Jinyoung’s 1.83 m height. You cannot deny this.

I’m saying this one last time. There is no evidence that the damage you indicated with the arrow belongs to the crater. You are only assuming it.

Being from the same chapter does not increase the probability that the area you marked with the arrow belongs to the crater. You are the one assuming that the damage marked with the arrow is part of the crater, so you are the one who needs to prove it. But you have no evidence; you are only making assumptions. The fight between Jinyoung and Changsu was not fully shown. Maybe they caused that damage to the ground. Or when Daniel and Kitae were fighting, it was shown that they repeatedly damaged the ground, so it could be one of those impacts. As I said, you are just making assumptions.

I already explained this above. I’m not going to repeat the same thing.





I’ve already explained this.



This page explains where the pulverization values come from.

Calculations

In order to determine a character's Destructive Capacity, we must first look through the character's feats and determine how much energy was exerted to perform such a feat. Sometimes, the destructive capacity of the feat can be determined easily without the need for a calculation, but most of...

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An example.

Young Saitama's Durability (Small Adjustment)

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Hmmm well I guess I was wrong about the pulverization one. It seems as if johan can stay maybe the wiki has different standards regarding pulverization or maybe I am wrong but I don't see the point in arguing something I don't know. I still have my issues regarding the Jinyoung one but what do you actually think about what catlover said? I really don't know how true it is but I would really like to have your opinion on it since I have seen the recent usage of such assumption alot and I don't think this is straying away from the main point of the thread.

 

[Reiner04]

Moved to Calc grp

 

[Viott]

Most of what I would've said was already said by Mercury so I won't touch upon anything else. Neutral on Compression and Pulverization.

Only thing I really want to say is that I've been seeing an uptick on using the ratio of 0.14 to 0.20 for calculating the depth-to-diameter ratio. I will not lie, I used it for one of my lookism calculations too (so I'm fine if it has to be removed/changed) but I've been seeing many calculations use it often leading to way larger values especially for craters that don't even "look" like it matches the depth. Plus, as I've looked through the actual site that used the depth-to-impact ratio, it's mentioned the impact would be effected by the gravity field of the planet (the ratio came from the moon) and the material of said moon. Plus, the biggest thing is that even other sites that try to calculate the depth-to-impact always mention that these impacts come from hypervelocity meteor impacts with velocities in much higher magnitudes compared to the much lower in both area + speed of these superhuman calculations. I believe that there should be discussions about continue usage of these ratios for these kinds of calculations.

The 0.17 ratio should not always be used, because sometimes the depth can be smaller.


I don’t think it being a crater on the Moon is important, since those craters were formed by meteors. However, the crater in the calculation was not formed by a meteor. It was formed by the character’s punch. Therefore, if the depth is consistent, I think the 0.17 ratio can still be used.


Also, in your own calculation, you could have found the depth using pixel scaling instead of using that ratio.

 

[CatLover313]

The 0.17 ratio should not always be used, because sometimes the depth can be smaller.


I don’t think it being a crater on the Moon is important, since those craters were formed by meteors. However, the crater in the calculation was not formed by a meteor. It was formed by the character’s punch. Therefore, if the depth is consistent, I think the 0.17 ratio can still be used.

I do believe that the context behind the 0.17 is what's more important and while I can ignore it being on the moon, it should at least have to resemble said impacts as those impacts are at very high velocities and energy values in 6-C ranges with the site from the Jinyoung Park creating a crator one saying 15 km/s and 4 * 10^27 ergs of energy (or ~95 Gigatons) and this one being 5 km/s to 12 km/s. Furthermore, in the article I sent by Hoover, it's a peer-reviewed planetary science journal paper measuring actual known-age lunar craters with DTM data. The article says for the averages averages of small crater impacts it "does not encapsulate the true nature of their depths" (page 8) with the range of 0.08 to 0.215 being so wide that any single average value can't encapsulate it as it depends on what the ground is made of and where you measure. There's no single reliable number, just a rough average from the different data points.

Also, in your own calculation, you could have found the depth using pixel scaling instead of using that ratio.

I'll probs change it after this discussion, not it like it really effects anything anyway.

 

[Viott]

I do believe that the context behind the 0.17 is what's more important and while I can ignore it being on the moon, it should at least have to resemble said impacts as those impacts are at very high velocities and energy values in 6-C ranges with the site from the Jinyoung Park creating a crator oneone being 5 km/s to 12 km/s. Furthermore, in the article I sent by

Not all meteor impacts are 6-C. For an energy of 4 * 10²⁷, the crater diameter would need to be around 10 kilometers. Therefore, this is not important. Because craters with diameters smaller than 20 kilometers are simple craters. A 10-meter crater is a simple crater.

This site states that more than 930 simple craters were analyzed, and it shows that the depth-to-diameter ratio ranges between 0.11 and 0.17.

 

[CatLover313]

Not all meteor impacts are 6-C. For an energy of 4 * 10²⁷, the crater diameter would need to be around 10 kilometers. Therefore, this is not important. Because craters with diameters smaller than 20 kilometers are simple craters. A 10-meter crater is a simple crater.

This site states that more than 930 simple craters were analyzed, and it shows that the depth-to-diameter ratio ranges between 0.11 and 0.17.

Alright, just finished reading as much of the article I could (sucks the full pdf is behind a paywall). You’re right about ignoring the joules but said impacts are still caused by small meteorites with hyper velocities (presumably the same for your 930 sample site) as that’s a commonality the case-study one I sent showed.

But if we did want to ignore the speed too, in multiple parts, it does say “d/D ratios typically decrease with decreasing crater diameter for craters ≲400 m in diameter” (Results) and “We also observed that d/D ratios on average decrease with decreasing crater diameter” (Discussion). With the smallest crater diameter they measured being 40 meters, it looks like they were implying that as the diameter got smaller, the ratio of depth-to-diameter got smaller too. Plus, the ratio becomes bigger the bigger the diameter.

So even if we want to ignore the environment and velocity, these ratios might not work unless the diameter is of a minimum 40 meter. So while I won’t have as much of an issue with calcs that at least seem close to said diameter, it’s definitely not good to use even a 0.17 or above for diameters WAY less than 40 meters.

 

[Viott]

Alright, just finished reading as much of the article I could (sucks the full pdf is behind a paywall). You’re right about ignoring the joules but said impacts are still caused by small meteorites with hyper velocities (presumably the same for your 930 sample site) as that’s a commonality the case-study one I sent showed.

There is no evidence showing that meteors moving at hypersonic speeds create 10-meter craters.


Also, this is not important, because in the calculation the crater was not formed by a meteor. It was formed by the character’s punch. And it is a relatively deep simple crater. Therefore, using the d/D ratio of simple craters on the Moon will not be a problem.

But if we did want to ignore the speed too, in multiple parts, it does say “d/D ratios typically decrease with decreasing crater diameter for craters ≲400 m in diameter” (Results) and “We also observed that d/D ratios on average decrease with decreasing crater diameter” (Discussion). With the smallest crater diameter they measured being 40 meters, it looks like they were implying that as the diameter got smaller, the ratio of depth-to-diameter got smaller too. Plus, the ratio becomes bigger the bigger the diameter.

So even if we want to ignore the environment and velocity, these ratios might not work unless the diameter is of a minimum 40 meter. So while I won’t have as much of an issue with calcs that at least seem close to said diameter, it’s definitely not good to use even a 0.17 or above for diameters WAY less than 40 meters.

When the diameter decreases significantly, the d/D ratio also decreases. For craters with diameters between 40 m and 100 m, the ratio ranges from 0.11 to 0.17. For craters larger than 400 m and up to 10000 m in diameter, the ratio is generally close to 0.21. As you can see, even though the diameter increases significantly, the ratio does not change very much.


A 3.77× difference will not change this ratio at all.

 

[CatLover313]

There is no evidence showing that meteors moving at hypersonic speeds create 10-meter craters.


Also, this is not important, because in the calculation the crater was not formed by a meteor. It was formed by the character’s punch. And it is a relatively deep simple crater. Therefore, using the d/D ratio of simple craters on the Moon will not be a problem.

When the diameter decreases significantly, the d/D ratio also decreases. For craters with diameters between 40 m and 100 m, the ratio ranges from 0.11 to 0.17. For craters larger than 400 m and up to 10000 m in diameter, the ratio is generally close to 0.21. As you can see, even though the diameter increases significantly, the ratio does not change very much.


A 3.77× difference will not change this ratio at all.

I will drop the speed portion as it's not the main thing I'm going for, just a small factor. The biggest thing I want to point out from both the Hoover PDF and even the Stopar one is that there is actually no confident trend and cause with the d/D ratio.

Page 8 of the Hoover pdf says "It is also important to note the large range of crater d/D for both “fresh appearing' and new impacts, meaning that reporting averages for small crater impacts does not encapsulate the true nature of their depths. It is known that smaller crater morphometry is more sensitive to infilling and erosion and that the d/D of small craters will more rapidly change owing to degradation processes when compared to larger craters." The ratio is gathered from different data points, but there is no consistent relationship between them. We can even see in the Hoover PDF on Page 3 Table 1, there is a gathering of different d/D ratios, different diameters, locations, methods, etc., from credited science articles with no exact correlation among them.

Even the Stopar one in the abstract says that "Various possible factors affect the morphologies and relative depths (d/D ratios) of small strength-dominated craters, including impactor and target properties (e.g., effective strength, strength contrasts, porosity, pre-existing weaknesses), impact angle and velocity, and degradation state." So diameter alone isn't strong enough to determine the depth of the impact, as there are a myriad of different factors that could affect it, with neither article being able to identify which factor dominates.

We're just using this ratio, ignoring the original destruction method (high velocity meteorite strikes), velocity, destroyed material, lack of confidence from multiple articles, and even applying it to craters below 40 meters (of which, through observation from the different data points, the ratio would likely be lower with the smaller diameters). At least, if we want to apply this ratio for diameters <40 meters, it should be the smallest d/D ratio (maybe 0.11, as on Page 3 of the Hoover article, we get even smaller ratios).

Though it seems like to conclude this, it'll probably end up with what CGM thinks is important and can be ignored so I won't really have much else to say anymore.

 

[Aksh_sky]

Kind of faulty to dismiss several adjustments if they are in fact wrong.

On another note: How do CGM/People decide the exact values to decide the percentage of a certain type of destruction? I re-read the Johnan chapter in which he performs the feat, there are several big fragments near him that would definitely invalidate the 95% choice but Im not sure how Viott got to that number in the first place

If ur talking about the rocks then it's not from that feat. And if not then idk what ur talking about

 

[Aksh_sky]

The material is brick obviously not rock.

I said it looked like that according to me.

I am talking about the same feat. This is called inconsistency, and there is no reason to believe that the crater is actually that deep and long. I already gave my example and reasoning. Jinyoung slammed Kitae into the ground, and the calc claims the crater is 1.8 meters deep and 10 meters long, but my red boundary drawing suggests otherwise.

Your disagreement doesn't contend me so there's no point in telling me. You're just repeating the same thing even after I literally drew the red lines on the WALL, yes a WALL. Also i feel like crater shouldn't work, it should be cylinder. I'll just slide a calc i made for discord, you can adjust the distruction end accordingly:

(If you look properly then you could clearly see that the crater or hollow hole which got underground is actually cylinder shaped. Due to the punch's impact, the ground got compressed inwards in a cylinder shape and only the curved part got fragmented, but the fragmented part is so less that it's pretty much negligible so I wont add that part. So now we only got the compressed part and as we know that if something fully solid gets compressed inwards, it gets pulverized. So therefore I'll use pulv.

Image 1:

Kitae height: 7ft | 1845px

Kitae's leg length: 130.33cm | 1127px

Image 2:

Kitae's leg length: 130.33cm | 192px

Diameter of the cylinder: 720.29cm | 1062px

Radius of the cylinder: 360.145cm

Cylinder height (we'll nly use the max height visible to the screen): 405.92cm | 598px

NOW FOR THE CALC:

Cylinder volume: πr²h

Volume: 165408000cc

In Korea, roads are mostly made of asphalt. Asphalt is a highly compression resistant material with stone-like properties.

Pulverization of asphalt = 214 J/cc

ENERGY ≈ 165408000 × 214 = 35,397,300,000 J)

≈ 8.460 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)

Ik it's pretty irrelevant here but i just showed you this because it does even kinda looks like a cylinder and it's because of the rock wall that's surrounding the area which is DEFFINATELY bigger than 1.8m.

 

[Viott]

I will drop the speed portion as it's not the main thing I'm going for, just a small factor. The biggest thing I want to point out from both the Hoover PDF and even the Stopar one is that there is actually no confident trend and cause with the d/D ratio.

I already explained this.

This site states that more than 930 simple craters were analyzed, and it shows that the depth-to-diameter ratio ranges between 0.11 and 0.17.

Page 8 of the Hoover pdf says "It is also important to note the large range of crater d/D for both “fresh appearing' and new impacts, meaning that reporting averages for small crater impacts does not encapsulate the true nature of their depths.

Things do not work that way. The fact that the d/D ratio has a wide range does not mean it cannot be used. For safety purposes, using the average value is sufficient. In cases with such wide ranges, using the average value is usually not a problem. For example, average values are used for compressive strength, the average value is used as a reference for tree height, the average value is used for cloud thickness, and the average value is used for cloud height.

It is known that smaller crater morphometry is more sensitive to infilling and erosion and that the d/D of small craters will more rapidly change owing to degradation processes when compared to larger craters.

Small fresh craters can still remain classified as “fresh” for a long time. In other words, the d/D ratio does not change dramatically within just a few years or decades. In airless environments like the Moon, significant morphological degradation generally occurs over much longer geological timescales. Because of this, studies can still use approximately the same d/D ranges for new or “fresh appearing” small craters.

" The ratio is gathered from different data points, but there is no consistent relationship between them. We can even see in the Hoover PDF on Page 3 Table 1, there is a gathering of different d/D ratios, different diameters, locations, methods, etc., from credited science articles with no exact correlation among them.

As I said, more than 930 simple craters were analyzed. It was stated that for craters smaller than 400 m, the d/D ratio varies between 0.11 and 0.17. As I explained above, using the average value will not be a problem.

Even the Stopar one in the abstract says that "Various possible factors affect the morphologies and relative depths (d/D ratios) of small strength-dominated craters, including impactor and target properties (e.g., effective strength, strength contrasts, porosity, pre-existing weaknesses), impact angle and velocity, and degradation state." So diameter alone isn't strong enough to determine the depth of the impact, as there are a myriad of different factors that could affect it, with neither article being able to identify which factor dominates.

In large-scale studies analyzing more than 930 craters, it has been observed that, particularly for craters smaller than 400 meters in diameter, the d/D ratio tends to cluster within a specific range. These data indicate that, in small craters, the d/D ratio varies approximately between 0.11 and 0.17. This range, derived from a large number of samples, has a statistically significant representational strength.

We're just using this ratio, ignoring the original destruction method (high velocity meteorite strikes), velocity, destroyed material, lack of confidence from multiple articles, and even applying it to craters below 40 meters (of which, through observation from the different data points, the ratio would likely be lower with the smaller diameters). At least, if we want to apply this ratio for diameters <40 meters, it should be the smallest d/D ratio (maybe 0.11, as on Page 3 of the Hoover article, we get even smaller ratios).

It is written that for craters smaller than 400 m, the d/D ratio ranges between 0.11 and 0.17. So for a crater with a diameter of 40 m, the d/D ratio could be 0.11 or it could be 0.17. A crater smaller than 3.77× this size will not significantly change this ratio. Even when the diameter increases considerably, this ratio does not change much.


Therefore, using 0.17 for craters smaller than 40 m will not be a problem. It is also consistent with the crater used in the calculation. If we use 0.11, the depth becomes 1.17 m, but it is clear that the depth is actually greater than that. It is quite close to Jinyoung, which has a depth of 1.83 m, so I will continue using 0.17 for this feat.

Though it seems like to conclude this, it'll probably end up with what CGM thinks is important and can be ignored so I won't really have much else to say anymore.

Okay.

 

[Viott]

I said it looked like that according to me.

Your disagreement doesn't contend me so there's no point in telling me. You're just repeating the same thing even after I literally drew the red lines on the WALL, yes a WALL. Also i feel like crater shouldn't work, it should be cylinder. I'll just slide a calc i made for discord, you can adjust the distruction end accordingly:

(If you look properly then you could clearly see that the crater or hollow hole which got underground is actually cylinder shaped. Due to the punch's impact, the ground got compressed inwards in a cylinder shape and only the curved part got fragmented, but the fragmented part is so less that it's pretty much negligible so I wont add that part. So now we only got the compressed part and as we know that if something fully solid gets compressed inwards, it gets pulverized. So therefore I'll use pulv.

Image 1:

Kitae height: 7ft | 1845px

Kitae's leg length: 130.33cm | 1127px

Image 2:

Kitae's leg length: 130.33cm | 192px

Diameter of the cylinder: 720.29cm | 1062px

Radius of the cylinder: 360.145cm

Cylinder height (we'll nly use the max height visible to the screen): 405.92cm | 598px

NOW FOR THE CALC:

Cylinder volume: πr²h

Volume: 165408000cc

In Korea, roads are mostly made of asphalt. Asphalt is a highly compression resistant material with stone-like properties.

Pulverization of asphalt = 214 J/cc

ENERGY ≈ 165408000 × 214 = 35,397,300,000 J)

≈ 8.460 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)

Ik it's pretty irrelevant here but i just showed you this because it does even kinda looks like a cylinder and it's because of the rock wall that's surrounding the area which is DEFFINATELY bigger than 1.8m.

The crater was not compressed inward.


It should be like the crater created by Johan.

 

[Aksh_sky]

The crater was not compressed inward.


It should be like the crater created by Johan.

Ikr, I js said that change the distruction value accordingly.

And it looks like a cylinder.

 

[Aksh_sky]

This feels like targeted attempt at down grading Lookism since KP also got down graded

At first i thought we shouldn't be dragging things off topic but now i think about it...it seems very likely.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

At first i thought we shouldn't be dragging things off topic but now i think about it...it seems very likely.

If I were really trying to downgrade Lookism for an agenda, why would I even bother putting 9-B calculations in the thread? It’s honestly getting tiring having to explain that this was never my motive, nor did I even know that Lookism vs Killer Peter was such a heated topic. I’m still new to manhwa as a whole, and many of the Lookism calculations simply seemed inaccurate to me. I even acknowledged that I had just finished reading Lookism.

I only used the Killer Peter verse as a reference because I saw DMUA commenting on a similar calculation as well. It may not seem like much, but accusations like these are a big deal to me, and I genuinely do not want to be associated with that kind of behavior so it is best you don't accuse someone on the basis of "likeliness" . I guess we have to wait for a cgm to comment on this then

 

[Aksh_sky]

If I were really trying to downgrade Lookism for an agenda, why would I even bother putting 9-B calculations in the thread? It’s honestly getting tiring having to explain that this was never my motive, nor did I even know that Lookism vs Killer Peter was such a heated topic. I’m still new to manhwa as a whole, and many of the Lookism calculations simply seemed inaccurate to me. I even acknowledged that I had just finished reading Lookism.

I only used the Killer Peter verse as a reference because I saw DMUA commenting on a similar calculation as well. It may not seem like much, but accusations like these are a big deal to me, and I genuinely do not want to be associated with that kind of behavior so it is best you don't accuse someone on the basis of "likeliness" . I guess we have to wait for a cgm to comment on this then

Hmm Lookism js have many of crts made like this just for the sole purpose to downgrade the verse because they basically have an agenda.

And the problems regarding ur calcs are fine and I suppose, though now i think we're only focusing on the Johan and Jinyoung calc so if we go on that then.

Ig the issue regarding the Johan calc and pulv has been discussed and ig you're fine with pulv.

But for the Jinyoung calc, the 1.8m is consistent because of the wall.