Capella VS Mahito (Re: Zero VS Jujutsu Kaisen) (4-1-0)

[MrTayman616]

Sphinx says the converse is also true

Then this changes nothing, no?

It's not that she's manipulating the soul, the soul just follows what happens to the body. They're still seperate.

I don't think this grants her any extra ability. So unless Mahito can be physically manipulated, i don't think it works.

 

[Crimsonobu]

Then this changes nothing, no?

It's not that she's manipulating the soul, the soul just follows what happens to the body. They're still seperate.

I don't think this grants her any extra ability. So unless Mahito can be physically manipulated, i don't think it works.

Capella is twisting Reisel's mind and thoughts. The mind is the soul too. She split Meili's mind into 100 frogs.

Also we don't know how Capella is changing the body we just see the end results. She could be changing the soul then the body follow suits or the body then the soul follow suits. Either way she's been shown to use her authority on peoples mind and split her mind across rats as well as other people's mind into frogs.

 

[Crimsonobu]

Btw did anyone actually vote for capella

Capella's hax is explicitly more abstract than Mahito's, Mother fra

Satella did right here!

 

[Phoenks]

Again, if you can bend a Universal concept, you can as well bend personal concepts.

This is not really true.

Do you have any source to suggest that?

You are basically assuming CM type 2 users cannot manipulate concepts that are inferior to universals
If you can manipulate a universal, then concepts that are derivative or personal that originate from it can also be manipulated

CM Type 2 users are limited to the scope of the ability that they have shown. Yes. That's how it works for all abilities on the wiki.

Just having Type 2 concept manipulation doesn't suddenly mean you can manipulate every concept that exist in the world, lol.

Also, Re: Zero does not even have concept accepted as a part of their aspects in the first place. So what concept would she even be manipulating? What you are saying doesn't make sense.

 

[MrTayman616]

Capella is twisting Reisel's mind and thoughts. The mind is the soul too.

No. Not in all context. Especially when it refers to the brain.

She split Meili's mind into 100 frogs.

She split her body. Soul shapes along with it so this really doesn't mean anything.

Also we don't know how Capella is changing the body we just see the end results. She could be changing the soul then the body follow suits or the body then the soul follow suits.

This is meaningless. Unless she's stated to be doing it like that, there is no reason to think of it being more than the basic.

It being unknown is a reason why it wouldn't scale higher.

 

[Arkenis]

0.2 domain gg?

 

[Zabazab]

Then this changes nothing, no?

Of course it does. It means she's transforming the soul as well. She doesn't just change physicality, she alters the metaphysicality of the soul and Gate too.

 

[MrTayman616]

Of course it does. It means she's transforming the soul as well. She doesn't just change physicality, she alters the metaphysicality of the soul and Gate too.

It doesn't.

The soul changing itself automatically based on the changes happening to the phyiscal body doesn't mean she has the ability to "directly" interact with/affect the soul.

 

[Zabazab]

It doesn't.

It does. She does. Why do you think Mahito has Transmutation and all that even though he's not directly interacting with the body, just the soul? You are making up a false distinction here. The Authority of Lust transforms the physical and metaphysical. It's simple.

 

[MrTayman616]

It does. She does. Why do you think Mahito has Transmutation and all that even though he's not directly interacting with the body, just the soul? You are making up a false distinction here. The Authority of Lust transforms the physical and metaphysical. It's simple.

It doesn't.

He's interacting with the soul, which changes the shape of the body. This still applies for "Transmutation". Transmutation doesn't have any requirement like "You can only achieve it purely by manipulating the body".

Capella changes the body, which changes the soul. This doesn't mean she interacts with the soul itself. Being able to change the body is enough of a requirement here.

Unless it's stated that she can actually manipulate the soul of a person rather than the body, this is just meaningless.

 

[Zabazab]

Capella changes the body, which changes the soul. This doesn't mean she interacts with the soul itself. Being able to change the body is enough of a requirement here.

Ignoring the fact that no one knows yet if she affects the soul or body first, your argument is inherently contradictory. You cannot say that "affecting the soul to change the body" counts as both while "affecting the body to change the soul" does not count as both. It's hypocritical to argue otherwise.

The fact is that Capella's Authority results in the soul changing shape. Unless you disagree with that, then there isn't even an argument to be had.

 

[Phoenks]

bump cus i like this match

 

[Crimsonobu]

I know in my heart Capella would win but her profile outdated

 

[Phoenks]

I know in my heart Capella would win but her profile outdated

The updates wouldn't actually change anything about the match btw.

The fire still isn't an instant win-condition. And her regeneration would still be High-Mid.

The only thing that might make her certainly win is if Re; Zero Od is accepted as a Type 2 concept. But IDK if that will happen.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Capella stomps for being a real character with development and story, unlike Mahito

 

[Phoenks]

Capella stomps for being a real character with development and story, unlike Mahito

insane slander

 

[Arkenis]

Mahito's gonna have cm2, void hax interaction and passive soul bfr soon so stay tuned.

 

[Phoenks]

can we focus on what they actually have on the profiles rn

 

[Crimsonobu]

The updates wouldn't actually change anything about the match btw.

The fire still isn't an instant win-condition. And her regeneration would still be High-Mid.

The only thing that might make her certainly win is if Re; Zero Od is accepted as a Type 2 concept. But IDK if that will happen.

I don't know how to explain myself without saying spoilers

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Mahito's gonna have cm2, void hax interaction and passive soul bfr soon so stay tuned.

Capella will have 1-A smurf void manipulation, and fire manipulation with 15000 layers

 

[Arkenis]

Capella will have 1-A smurf void manipulation, and fire manipulation with 15000 layers

Mahito will scale to the buddha.

 

[Zabazab]

I don't know how to explain myself without saying spoilers

You can use this.

 

[Phoenks]

Anyone else going to vote?

 

[Alsotime]

Capella for reasons above

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I'm voting Capella

 

[Phoenks]

oh i forgot some.

BUMP

 

[Phoenks]

bump

 

[BoastJr]

Capella Fra but I would smash both

 

[Phoenks]

Capella Fra but I would smash both

Blud threw in a fun fact