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Well, Homelander/the Donald Trump satire, throwing the Elon Musk satire into space because the latter didn't think that he was a god and because Musk is obsessed with going to Mars, worked quite well for me. 
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The Boys discussion thread
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I was hoping they'd use the fact that Ryan and Butcher both have ranged abilities to their advantage here, since Soldier Boy was purely close-combat and Butcher didn't have extra limbs before, but they barely did.
GodlyCharmander
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BRUH TS FRYING ME LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOReddit is calling the episode “Scorched Room” I am dead
GodlyCharmander
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Bombsight ragdolled and knocked out Butcher.
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Well, there are probably a lot of pro-Trump and pro-Musk trolls and programmed A.I. bots in Reddit and Twitter who systematically lambast The Boys because they or their owners do not tolerate any dissent against their "messiahs".
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That's not really my point, since basically everything about the scene was PIS. Like why didn't HL just cut Kimiko in half or splatter her and then put all his focus on Butcher while she's regenerating? I'm saying I thought the writers could've been smarter about the characters' powers.
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Game of thrones final season may be trash, but atleast we got large scale destruction and plenty of actiond deserving of an endgame. This was just trash, years of build up of homelander going rogue and the most he does is kill some billionaire. Neuman and stormfront had a better showing of a supe ramage by far, soldier's herogasm beam going wild was more apocalyptic, this was just so underwhelming. And Homelander despite getting v1 was weak af, couldnt put down kimiko despite slicing thru her with his laser vision earlier in the season. Couldnt escape the room despite flying a guy to space in the same episode. Just so trash.
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I agree, and I loved the finale.Shouldn't we focus more on the artistic accomplishment of the series ending than just attempting to powerscale from it?
Eric Kripke said that he was worried about not being able to accomplish a sufficiently good and satisfying ending, but I think that he genuinely managed to truly pull it off.
My favorite part was Homelander graweling at his feet, begging for mercy, saying he will eat shit, suck dick, etc, if Butcher spared him. Cherry on top was this getting broadcast nation-wide, if not world-wide.
Actually, kind of reminded me of Lights ending from Death Note manga in terms of desperation. 2nd to last episode was mediocre but I think the finale was solid.
Actually, kind of reminded me of Lights ending from Death Note manga in terms of desperation. 2nd to last episode was mediocre but I think the finale was solid.
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Agreed.
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Saved for the boys mexico
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Maybe a new season of Gen V will handle that, or Vought Rising will be Soldier Boy in stasis dreaming about his past.
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Wait now that I remembered, did the Boys have no plan for Soldier Boy??? They didnt know he was bottled, so did they just… ball?? what the ****??
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Oh, the first part is unfortunate. Will Kripke be involved in The Boys: Mexico and Vought Rising?
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He won't be the showrunner for Vought Rising or Mexico, but is the creator and an executive producer.
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There was a substantial amount of arguments for Homelander not having higher than Subsonic combat speed, that was keeping to pile up as show went on. Finale was last chance of "The Boys" avoiding this fate. It didn't pan out as you can see.
Can't find args for subsonic C/r speed in one neat place, but as example: A-train is faster than Homelander, and he has direct statements about his speed, which is barely Mach 1. So speed of Homelander < Mach 1.
There are many more examples, if you want to find more, idk, ask @Da3ggman , or @Dalesean027 (he is responsible for MCU subsonic downgrade, and his next victim would be "The Boys")
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Not bad, but disappointing. It was expected that Homelander would be treated this way. With each season, they wanted to reinforce more and more that Homelander is a parody of Trump and therefore should be ridiculed. Since people were idolizing the character, they only made him more and more ridiculous. Like, they would never give him a badass scene of him freaking out and destroying the city, since they don't want anyone to glorify the character for anything.
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I think that Homelander should be at transsonic to barely above that speed.A Train is stated to cap at Mach1.3 and training didn't do shit to him,so Homelanders flight speed being on par with A train means he should cap there narratively.
I think every feat other than that is an outlier.
And the Finale Space feat is kinda vague.
Did he take him to space or is he just overexaggerating?
Did he launch him rather than take him and leave him there?
Plus there is no confirmed time frame.
On the good side,we got Butcher and Ryan reacting to homies flight speed which unless you argue that he needs acceleration (Doesn't make much sense),then top tiers are transonic in C/R speed,maybe High hypersonic if you ignore the narrative and some outliers.
I think every feat other than that is an outlier.
And the Finale Space feat is kinda vague.
Did he take him to space or is he just overexaggerating?
Did he launch him rather than take him and leave him there?
Plus there is no confirmed time frame.
On the good side,we got Butcher and Ryan reacting to homies flight speed which unless you argue that he needs acceleration (Doesn't make much sense),then top tiers are transonic in C/R speed,maybe High hypersonic if you ignore the narrative and some outliers.
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Wdym not confirmed timeframe?? We saw him go up and then come back down. Anything for the downplay man…
Anyways every thought of the finale pisses me off and makes me notice more mistakes in the writing so I’ll unfollow the thread officially. This was a fun ride folks.
Anyways every thought of the finale pisses me off and makes me notice more mistakes in the writing so I’ll unfollow the thread officially. This was a fun ride folks.
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The Finale was good tbh,since everyone was speculating it to be horseshit.Only bad thing was that
They made homelander feel underwhelming as a threat("V1Lander is unstoppabe") but you could argue that they got help from the smartest human in the world so yeah fair.
Gen V characters got the shittiest conclusion except for maybe Marie(Supposed Homie level sitting on the sidelines)
It wouldve been a bad Finale if they ended it at homies death,but Butchers final plot point was great and sad.
They made homelander feel underwhelming as a threat("V1Lander is unstoppabe") but you could argue that they got help from the smartest human in the world so yeah fair.
Gen V characters got the shittiest conclusion except for maybe Marie(Supposed Homie level sitting on the sidelines)
It wouldve been a bad Finale if they ended it at homies death,but Butchers final plot point was great and sad.
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I mean it's one of the many things that you can argue against that feat.
Whats most important to me is that the narrative puts Homie at transsonic.
And there arent many great feats anyways,i could agree with the bomb vest feat,but to that puts him at Supersonic-Hypersonic.
And the feat from the Finale is dependent on a statement so idk.
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Homelander did fly to space in seemingly 2 seconds?
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Yes if were counting the timeframe from the viewers perspective.
Which is logical im not arguing against it.
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That is really your point, the power dynamics were changed. Homelander COULD split Kimiko in half with a laser before.
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I feel like Vought Rising would be very difficult to handle as a show if the creators plan to remain faithful to the original series. The main characters are rich and powerful Supes rather than organised humans, the show will be based during a time when there are very few Supes at all, and The Boys previously established that A) Soldier Boy (and by extension Bombsight, who is implied to have never had a serious fight with Soldier Boy until 5x6) can't be killed by anything less than a nuke in open warfare, B) Supes had minimal genuine involvement with the military or important world affairs, C) Vought hadn't really begun their cinematic universe until 1952 (though they released a Soldier Boy biopic in 1951 that he'd likely be filming in 1950), with Vought Rising being set in 1950, and D) almost all of the interesting stuff we know about the V1 Supes, such as Fort Harmony, happened in the 30s-40s and 60s-80s, not the 50s.
Basically, it'd have to be nothing like The Boys plot-wise, the Supes likely won't be involved in anything world changing, and there isn't really anything that could threaten many of these Supes besides each other during this era.
Basically, it'd have to be nothing like The Boys plot-wise, the Supes likely won't be involved in anything world changing, and there isn't really anything that could threaten many of these Supes besides each other during this era.
What I was saying about the laser is specifically that I'm not referring to PIS, such as Homelander's lasers doing **** all. I'm specifically referring to the meat of the fight itself.
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PIS and contradicted by both in-verse statements and the next speed interaction. We do not care about authors forgetting what they established themselves. DOtA
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What are you genuinely talking about, are you arguing for a timeskip mid-conversation? Because from any other perspective, it would be faster, not slower.
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My last hope was that Kimiko's final blast would be extraordinarily buffed, and she would level the white house as the camera pans out. NOW THAT would have been a pretty good ending feat. Otherwise, the finale isn't any more impressive than S3's, heck, it might be worse tbh.
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Also brought up why are we assuming Homelander physically went to space with the guy instead of chucking him like a human-javelin away that fast.
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Im just saying that the time frame of what the viewer is seeing isn't always the same in media.
We can see MFTL characters clear distances in media,which wouldn't make sense hence why the time frame in those scenes is slowed for the viewers perspective.
Anyways I didn't argue against it I have other reasons why that statement is kinda vague.
But idrc if he is MHS or not,i just want to keep homelander a Spidey victim.
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And i would also say that the narrative is that the top tiers reach up to maybe supersonic speeds.
And the way that I think is that
Narrative>Feats any day of the week.
And the way that I think is that
Narrative>Feats any day of the week.
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He couldve just thrown him after a certain distance,or he could just be overexaggerating.
But at face value yeah its a fair Mach 200 ish feat(Around those values i think).
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Was it said that Homelander is faster than A-Train?
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