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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

Continuing on my thoughts from my other messages rq
Doesn't this comment from Sonic pretty much confirm that the Cyan Wisp was doing a Cyan laser at the time? Plus the Cyan Wisp seeming to always move at the same speeds as other wisps outside of the laser form
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Alright I definitely think he was. As mentioned above, he was shining and made Sonic question if he was a wisp. Later on, Sonic even says "I may be as quick as him but I can play it cool when need to." after a discussion of bouncing around (laser) and also after his statement of "let's see how fast he can go!" There's an argument against this that says Sonic used the Cyan Wisp to come back, but that isn't really implied especially given previous scenes. I also wanna touch on the Omega scene. I think Omega's statement isn't just good proof for FTL Sonic, but good proof for Relativistic and such Sonic. Omega states that Sonic had a 130% increase which Omega states that he will exceed light speed at that rate. This could potentially mean Sonic was going close here (in a vacuum without considering past game feats ofc) given the large gap between light speed and let's say, something like mach 5. Plus Omega's statement suggests whatever speed was achieved wouldn't take too long to achieve FTL speeds.
I forgot the Egg Mobile also has a similar feat in Sonic 4 Episode 1, going from the surface to space in just 3 seconds and making it to the Death Egg in about 11, while also damaged. Pretty neat!!!
I wanted to try and get a result, so I used this calculation as a base. I decided to put in 4.5, 4, 3.5, and 3 seconds.
100 kilometers crossed in 4.5 seconds is 49,709 mph, which is mach 64
100 kilometers crossed in 4 seconds is 55,923 mph, which is mach 72
100 kilometers crossed in 3.5 seconds is 63,912 mph, which is mach 83
100 kilometers crossed in 3 seconds is 74,564 mph, which is mach 97.

This is funnily very close to some of the calcs for Metal Sonic traveling to Earth, such as the G1 Death Battle Cell VS Metal Sonic blog calc which put it at mach 56 or so, and this isn't accounting for the possible distance between the Death Egg and Earth as seen here.
(Though some others it gets heavily outclassed, like here. Point is, both are fast and casual)
I was looking at Night Palace and Erazor's control over it (specifically the Spiritual World to see if he was controlling that as well)
Thinking on it I think the whole seven worlds thing backs up Erazor controlling the Spiritual World. If the World Ring of Sadness is located in the spiritual world but overall rules Night Palace with there being a clear connection between the two, yeah

Also, while I was looking at the void they fight in, I noticed that Darkspine Sonic actually has slightly different quill placements compared to Base Sonic that are especially noticeable from the side view. Not all that relevant but it took me so long to figure out and it's such a cool design detail😭
 
I'm a bit confused about White Space.

Is its nature NEP 1 or 2? I'm asking this because here the subject is Type 2, but just a few rows below Type 1 takes the lead.
 
y'all so I heard character ages got retconned around 2022 and I never knew, is that true or has it been re-retronned by this point?
 
kinda happy honestly, keeping the ages the same again and again despite having younger sonic in tow just made no sense. That combined with the fact that if we took the ages seriously then the rebel army of the Sonic world was being led by a 12yo girl, the same girl who has her own house and stuff.
You also have stuff like Tangle growing up with Jewel and recalling when they were younger (implying they are not any longer) with Jewel working a full time job at a museum. They're like the same age as the rest of dudes so they definitely aren't children currently
 
You also have stuff like Tangle growing up with Jewel and recalling when they were younger (implying they are not any longer) with Jewel working a full time job at a museum. They're like the same age as the rest of dudes so they definitely aren't children currently
or maybe mobians live like 40 years and die lmao
 
That combined with the fact that if we took the ages seriously then the rebel army of the Sonic world was being led by a 12yo girl, the same girl who has her own house and stuff.
I mean TBF it's fiction. You have instances like in Undertale where Frisk, a 9-13 year old, is allowed to be the ambassador of monsterkind. The Sonic franchise itself despite its more serious nature is still a generally cartoony series so it's not that ridiculous

Also ngl Sonic being a teenager is just too fitting for his character. I don't think he'd change much at all as he grows up but you get the point
 
I mean TBF it's fiction. You have instances like in Undertale where Frisk, a 9-13 year old, is allowed to be the ambassador of monsterkind. The Sonic franchise itself despite its more serious nature is still a generally cartoony series so it's not that ridiculous

Also ngl Sonic being a teenager is just too fitting for his character. I don't think he'd change much at all as he grows up but you get the point
First off, Frisk is asked to be an ambassador. Monsters treat humans as something different (like Papyrus going on a date with you because to him you are a "human" not a child or adult or anything).

Second of all, I ain't saying Sonic is an adult. I'd say 17-19 years old, 17 or so for Amy would be at least somewhat reasonable. Just not 12. All this time Amy has basically been shown to be near Sonic in height and even behavior and we're supposed to believe she's 3+ years older? Just doesn't feel right in any portrayal.
 
First off, Frisk is asked to be an ambassador. Monsters treat humans as something different (like Papyrus going on a date with you because to him you are a "human" not a child or adult or anything).

Second of all, I ain't saying Sonic is an adult. I'd say 17-19 years old, 17 or so for Amy would be at least somewhat reasonable. Just not 12. All this time Amy has basically been shown to be near Sonic in height and even behavior and we're supposed to believe she's 3+ years older? Just doesn't feel right in any portrayal.
They're still allowed to be the ambassador is the thing, and assumingly all the humans at the end of the game are completely fine with it

That being said, I agree Amy being that much younger than Sonic is def off and is something I like about them making the ages vague since that isn't a problem
 
They're still allowed to be the ambassador is the thing, and assumingly all the humans at the end of the game are completely fine with it
I don't think it was ever confirmed regardless
That being said, I agree Amy being that much younger than Sonic is def off and is something I like about them making the ages vague since that isn't a problem
It just feels way too weird for the ages to bee that much different
 
The ages honestly sucked imo. Modern Tails looks like 7 years older than Classic and Modern was labeled as being 8, which makes Classic Tails the most advanced infant the world's ever seen.
 
I'm a bit confused about White Space.

Is its nature NEP 1 or 2? I'm asking this because here the subject is Type 2, but just a few rows below Type 1 takes the lead.
Type 1 currently. Type 2 was something I had deliberated and iirc the original version of the blog had it, but it was changed with a CRT to simply be an enhanced Type 1.

I can probably edit that out a CRT, as it has no consequence to do so.
 

✨️ I have to say I like this video quite a bit. And despite knowing only surface level stuff about Archie I appreciate that Snively made a cameo, Eggmans eyes were shown as black with red pupils and Eggman having multiple bodies played a role in the fight which is a detail about Archie Eggman that I forgot about until he got stomped into a paste after getting impaled.
Although I could have done without the movie Death Egg Robot but that's it for negatives.
 
Type 1 currently. Type 2 was something I had deliberated and iirc the original version of the blog had it, but it was changed with a CRT to simply be an enhanced Type 1.

I can probably edit that out a CRT, as it has no consequence to do so.
Thanks for the clarification.

enhanced Type 1
Does that work on a similar way to the Enhanced AE1 of Chaos? In the sense that you probably need an Enhanced NEI to affect a structure "fundamentally more non-existent" than Crisis City.

Is it more "complex" than an Infinite Layers NEP with a more "basic" nature?


EDIT: Sorry if I'm bothering with these extremely specific questions. I just find very interesting that "levels of fundamentality" > "layers of potency/range".
 
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Does that work on a similar way to the Enhanced AE1 of Chaos? In the sense that you probably need an Enhanced NEI to affect a structure "fundamentally more non-existent" than Crisis City.
I would say it sets the precedent, yes.
Is it more "complex" than an Infinite Layers NEP with a more "basic" nature?
Mmmm, that's a tough one I don't think I can give you a solid answer to. I would say a theoretical "infinite-layered basic NEP" would probably be more potent?

It's easier to gauge with more standard haxes than something as complex as NEP.
EDIT: Sorry if I'm bothering with these extremely specific questions. I just find very interesting that "levels of fundamentality" > "layers of potency/range".
Don't apologize, man. You're just curious about the things the VSBW Sonic fandom does, questions are to be expected! In other words...
It's cool to ask stuff!
^^^ This!
 
Ah yes, 1 of the og spindasher...
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My FUARKING heroooooooo!!!
I feel bad for Archie fans sometimes. Sega would rather do these random collabs than bring back the Freedom Fighters, and they are VERY much aware of that fact...
Archie fans are the epitome of "betrayed and trapped in the time chamber", except if it was literal instead of a meme. Poor guys.

Their only hope is Ian Flynn ironically, and he said the only Archie characters that could ever see the light of day are Sally, Rotor, Bunnie, and Antoine (with the only possible addition being Nicole) because IIRC they were the only ones to appear in Spinball and are the most iconic ones to Sega. He said this on a BumbleKast to be precise.

So basically, the "Freedom Fighters" would probably just be those 4. I guess you can argue it as a parallel to Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles.
 
My FUARKING heroooooooo!!!

Archie fans are the epitome of "betrayed and trapped in the time chamber", except if it was literal instead of a meme. Poor guys.

Their only hope is Ian Flynn ironically, and he said the only Archie characters that could ever see the light of day are Sally, Rotor, Bunnie, and Antoine (with the only possible addition being Nicole) because IIRC they were the only ones to appear in Spinball and are the most iconic ones. He said this on a BumbleKast to be precise.

So basically, the "Freedom Fighters" would probably just be those 4. I guess you can argue it as a parallel to Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles.
Heck, would Antoine even be eligible? Because I'm pretty sure that was Muttski who was in Spinball, not Antoine.
 
Thanks for the clarification.


Does that work on a similar way to the Enhanced AE1 of Chaos? In the sense that you probably need an Enhanced NEI to affect a structure "fundamentally more non-existent" than Crisis City.

Is it more "complex" than an Infinite Layers NEP with a more "basic" nature?


EDIT: Sorry if I'm bothering with these extremely specific questions. I just find very interesting that "levels of fundamentality" > "layers of potency/range".
IF you equal existence to "1" and Nonexistence to "0" then White Space would be "-1"
 
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