High 6-A to 5-C Redux Tournament Semi Finals (2026): Juubito vs Heatblast (7-0-0) GRACE STARTED

[Ultimate-Rex1]

• Speed: Equalized speed in all matches

This isn't included Omnitrix's attack speed, only Heatblast

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Does it can work with Omni-Energy? Since Omni-Energy work at fundamental level (Information Type 2)

No but i dont see Vilgax Fundamentaly getting destroyed too

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Does it can work with Omni-Energy, which is work at fundamental level (Information Type 2)

Why the hell would that matter? Substitution doesn't detect what the attack is made of and automatically swaps the user with something, the user just consciously chooses when to use it and what to replace themselves with to avoid being hit.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I would ask Demonic about if we can still use Omnitrix's 4-B Omni-Energy attack in this tournament, if no, then it's stomp

 

[BloodyBloodwork365]

Does it can work with Omni-Energy? Since Omni-Energy work at fundamental level (Information Type 2)

What's the question here? Does Naruto have any answer to Info Type 2? And...does it matter for this matchup specifically?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Why the hell would that matter? Substitution doesn't detect what the attack is made of and automatically swaps the user with something, the user just consciously chooses when to use it and what to replace themselves with to avoid being hit.

No but i dont see Vilgax Fundamentaly getting destroyed too

If he needs to activate it, then the Omnitrix's attack would immediately one-shot him before he could activate it. The Omnitrix's attack speed is MFTL+.

 

[Epiccheev]

I'm gonna be super generous when I say this. Even if Obito can't outright erase Ben, he can easily realize that and just impale him with a bunch of TSO turned into Black Receivers and paralyze Ben that way just like Nagato and he were doing to Naruto and the Bijū. Even if all of that doesn't work and Ben gets caught in an endless loop of regenerating from being erased repeatedly, we still count that as being incapacitated for VSB rules and Obito would still get the W.

Uh, yeah. I'm sold. Even if Genjutsu can't be applied and Obito can't bypass his regen I'd say this would still work.
Obito FRA

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

If he needs to activate it, then the Omnitrix's attack would immediately one-shot him before he could activate it. The Omnitrix's attack speed is MFTL+.

First of all the attack doesn't activate instantly, secondly Obito has multiple forms of Precog that will alert him before it even happens that he needs to get the hell out of the way, thirdly speed is equalized meaning he has plenty of time to move and fourthly even if Obito gets hit by some of it you have to prove that it will completely vaporize him to kill him.

 

[FARLANDER3305]

If he needs to activate it, then the Omnitrix's attack would immediately one-shot him before he could activate it. The Omnitrix's attack speed is MFTL+.

Obito has ana pre he could see omni energy Being build up

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

First of all the attack doesn't activate instantly, secondly Obito has multiple forms of Precog that will alert him before it even happens that he needs to get the hell out of the way, thirdly speed is equalized meaning he has plenty of time to move and fourthly even if Obito gets hit by some of it you have to prove that it will completely vaporize him to kill him.

1. No, it's attack immediately when Obito would try to kill Ben
2. I don't really remember, but Precog it depends on Perception Speed
3. Speed was equalized for Heatblast and Obito, not Omnitrix, Omnitrix's attack here is same kind of Speed Amplification

 

[FARLANDER3305]

First of all the attack doesn't activate instantly, secondly Obito has multiple forms of Precog that will alert him before it even happens that he needs to get the hell out of the way, thirdly speed is equalized meaning he has plenty of time to move and fourthly even if Obito gets hit by some of it you have to prove that it will completely vaporize him to kill him.

Obito has mid regen too

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

1. No, it's attack immediately when Obito would try to kill Ben
2. I don't really remember, but Precog it depends on Perception Speed

Obito has the Six Paths Sage Mode Danger Sense precog that will alert him of threats before it even happens, meaning he will know before the blast even triggers.

1. Speed was equalized for Heatblast and Obito, not Omnitrix, Omnitrix's attack here is same kind of Speed Amplification

I'm pretty damn certain that we still drop attack speed by a certain degree if the attack is usually relative to the character who has it is being equalized.

 

[BloodyBloodwork365]

Obito has mid regen too

I remember him and Madara regenning from losing half their bodies, right?

 

[FARLANDER3305]

1. No, it's attack immediately when Obito would try to kill Ben
2. I don't really remember, but Precog it depends on Perception Speed
3. Speed was equalized for Heatblast and Obito, not Omnitrix, Omnitrix's attack here is same kind of Speed Amplification

First was Kevin who try to remove Omnitrix from ben and blast Didnt happen instantly it litterally happened like 2 3 seconds
Second was Vilgax and it Didnt happen immeadietly either First was energy Coming of and second was the blast obito dodges and catches ben with god tree resulting in smashin hım

 

[FARLANDER3305]

I remember him and Madara regenning from losing half their bodies, right?

Yes

 

[Lort15]

How come obito loses to tiersetter

 

[FARLANDER3305]

How come obito loses to tiersetter

Obito s dura wasnt that great he is only 157 pettatons while some characters are Moon level + with different kind of energy and Ranged attacks gray qiqi and Orochi
Lay was actually stronger than obito and has more busted hax but his key Didnt use any kind of Ranged or hax attacks so his wincon was reactive Evo but gets kind of nuked to TSO attacks
Goff was busted anti hax guy but loses to same Reason why ley loses

 

[Lort15]

Obito s dura wasnt that great he is only 157 pettatons while some characters are Moon level + with different kind of energy and Ranged attacks gray qiqi and Orochi
Lay was actually stronger than obito and has more busted hax but his key Didnt use any kind of Ranged or hax attacks so his wincon was reactive Evo but gets kind of nuked to TSO attacks
Goff was busted anti hax guy but loses to same Reason why ley loses

The only thing i know about it is he can't use genjutsu on Shockrock because it has some kind of helmet and he is an energy being for genjutsu you need a direct contact with eye, basically closing your eyes prevents it but can't he just use EE on him like now he is doing to Heatblast

 

[FARLANDER3305]

The only thing i know about it is he can't use genjutsu on Shockrock because it has some kind of helmet and he is an energy being for genjutsu you need a direct contact with eye, basically closing your eyes prevents it but can't he just use EE on him like now he is doing to Heatblast

Yes he can use EE the problem is that shockrock can fly to space and use class y telekinesis to harm or crush İTS not some thing that shockrock insta uses but will use if he cant see or touch his opponents
Plus shockrock has Moon level+ AP so he is fine agaisnt Most of TSO attacks and obito can only damage hım Via quad juubi or Sword of Nunoboko

 

[DemonicDude]

@DaReaperMan picked a character in this tournament who had 1-A resistances but still loses to tier setter.
As long as people with high or low ap also loses to Tier setter they should be fine to compete.

 

[karo_senpaii]

1. No, it's attack immediately when Obito would try to kill Ben
2. I don't really remember, but Precog it depends on Perception Speed
3. Speed was equalized for Heatblast and Obito, not Omnitrix, Omnitrix's attack here is same kind of Speed Amplification

Speed equalisation applies proportionally to everything. It's only if Omnitrix was 10x faster than him originally or something then when everything is equalised it would still be 10x faster. Basically if it is the same speed as him originally (both mftl+) then it gets equalised the same way

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah btw if it wasn't obvious I'm voting Obito.

Even if the EE, the bijuu bomb nuke, the paralysis, or genjustu are all not enough to give him the W, Obito can just erase his limbs and toss him out of the arena before they regen lmao.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Lovely, so we are still getting the Obito vs Hakurou matchup.

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Lovely, so we are still getting the Obito vs Hakurou matchup.

Put me on hakurou

 

[Tatsumi504]

@DaReaperMan picked a character in this tournament who had 1-A resistances but still loses to tier setter.
As long as people with high or low ap also loses to Tier setter they should be fine to compete.

Can we go back to non tier setter tournaments please?

 

[Tatsumi504]

Btw, Obito FRA. This shouldn't have been up for discussion, might as well be a stomp.

 

[Rosa]

Why would Obito's sharingan be able to precog something like the Omnitrix's omni-energy wave? The sharingan's precog is extremely limited wherein chakra constructs and even something like complex fighting styles are able to bypass it entirely, so something completely beyond the parameters of what Obito is able to expect or foresee wouldn't be computed by the sharingan. We also see numerous high level sharingan users frequently get tagged by characters who are relative, even sometimes slower, than them (Madara, Obito himself, Itachi, Sasuke). This win con of "Obito has precog so he'll just dodged EVERYTHING Heatblast does" is completely inaccurate to how his skill set actually functions in combat scenarios.

 

[Aytugsss]

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Why would Obito's sharingan be able to precog something like the Omnitrix's omni-energy wave? The sharingan's precog is extremely limited wherein chakra constructs and even something like complex fighting styles are able to bypass it entirely, so something completely beyond the parameters of what Obito is able to expect or foresee wouldn't be computed by the sharingan. We also see numerous high level sharingan users frequently get tagged by characters who are relative, even sometimes slower, than them (Madara, Obito himself, Itachi, Sasuke). This win con of "Obito has precog so he'll just dodged EVERYTHING Heatblast does" is completely inaccurate to how his skill set actually functions in combat scenarios.

Obito also has immense danger sense because of jubii

 

[Rosa]

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Obito also has immense danger sense because of jubii

This isn't noted on his profile, nor am I familiar with this, but does it have any impressive showings?

EDIT: on the profile he does have enhanced analytical prediction, my error, but the form of prediction he has (sage mode) has the same flaws I already listed for the sharingan precog.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Why would Obito's sharingan be able to precog something like the Omnitrix's omni-energy wave? The sharingan's precog is extremely limited wherein chakra constructs and even something like complex fighting styles are able to bypass it entirely, so something completely beyond the parameters of what Obito is able to expect or foresee wouldn't be computed by the sharingan. We also see numerous high level sharingan users frequently get tagged by characters who are relative, even sometimes slower, than them (Madara, Obito himself, Itachi, Sasuke). This win con of "Obito has precog so he'll just dodged EVERYTHING Heatblast does" is completely inaccurate to how his skill set actually functions in combat scenarios.

This isn't noted on his profile, nor am I familiar with this, but does it have any impressive showings?

EDIT: on the profile he does have enhanced analytical prediction, my error, but the form of prediction he has (sage mode) has the same flaws I already listed for the sharingan precog.

These aren't antifeats, They are skill feats for the people that are able to keep up despite the fact that the opponent has extremely good Precog and analytical prediction.

"The sharingan precog is extremely limited" bring up those limitations because the feats are on the profile and yet we're supposed to take your word for it?
Can people bypass it? Yes due to the fact that they've been shown to and that's a feat for them and not an antifeat for the sharingan. Can the Omnitrix bypass it? We'll bring feats proving it can, it's that simple.

Obito has precog from the sharingan and then danger sense from sage mode. He'd be fine

 

[Aytugsss]

This isn't noted on his profile, nor am I familiar with this, but does it have any impressive showings?

EDIT: on the profile he does have enhanced analytical prediction, my error, but the form of prediction he has (sage mode) has the same flaws I already listed for the sharingan precog.

assive Clairvoyance (Sage Mode is able to perceive the onset and progression of the Fourth Great Ninja War.[408] Despite being entirely cut off from conventional sensory input and chakra-based communication, he became instinctively aware of distant battlefield events, including the deaths of his comrades and the growing danger posed by the enemy.)
(İn his profiles)

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Why is we still on this? Heatblast is like Tens Of Meters in range. Its over.

 

[Lort15]

Why is we still on this? Heatblast is like Tens Of Meters in range. Its over.

He vaporized a ******* cave how is this tens of meters ;-;

 

[FARLANDER3305]

He vaporized a ******* cave how is this tens of meters ;-;

Not that it matters bro Heatblast is not doing anything to obito the main problem was Omnitrix and obito still can deal with it
Btw what happened to ben 10 i ve been seeing pretty nasty downgrades

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

He vaporized a ******* cave how is this tens of meters ;-;

Profile.

 

[Lort15]

Not that it matters bro Heatblast is not doing anything to obito the main problem was Omnitrix and obito still can deal with it

ik but the range looks weird in that manners lmao

Btw what happened to ben 10 i ve been seeing pretty nasty downgrades

not much happend but will probs, people on this wiki are mostly unhappy about the current scaling of Ben 10, they even call it that it has the worst scaling on the wiki meanwhile things like this exist

 

[Shadowslash125]

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