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Demon Lords May Cry (Dante vs Rimuru ! 2 - 11 - 2)

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Dante won't be able to see or sense Rimuru due to his info nature...He won't be able to see/sense his attacks either because its all made up of information. Even if you argue Rimuru can't interact with Dante's soul, there are many other ways he gets incapped
 
Robo432343 said:
Dante won't be able to see or sense Rimuru due to his info nature...He won't be able to see/sense his attacks either because its all made up of information. Even if you argue Rimuru can't interact with Dante's soul, there are many other ways he gets incapped
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Rimuru won't be able to see or sense Dante's Soul due to it's nature...He won't be able to see/sense his attacks either because its all made up of Demonic Energy. Even if you argue Dante can't interact with Rimuru's Information, there are many other ways he gets incapped.
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Did you just forget that it goes both ways?
 
Tanin_iver said:
Equally Soul(DMC) hax Rimuru that he doesn't resist?
I already pointed out that both can hax each other the aspects they lack in the 5D thread itself.
So incon.

Or Dante can BFR and Seal Rimuru
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If I remember correctly, you say this because Souls in DMC are more fundamental than CM1 (names)

But in Tensura there's a similar thing too

Magic CM1 is more fundamental than Soul/Spirit CM1


So if we count those "more fundamental", DMC is getting CM haxed and layers won't save them

And since Magic includes Soul stuff, it will be able to interact with DMC Souls
 
AlexSamDen said:
If I remember correctly, you say this because Souls in DMC are more fundamental than CM1 (names)

But in Tensura there's a similar thing too

Magic CM1 is more fundamental than Soul/Spirit CM1


So if we count those "more fundamental", DMC is getting CM haxed and layers won't save them

And since Magic includes Soul stuff, it will be able to interact with DMC Souls
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If this is true, there are still 40+ layers of Soul hax resistance.
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
Could I get a link to the CRT?
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Here it is and to summarize it, Names are the supporting pillar for souls and can operate outside their point of origin as well as works outside in a world it preceded and was separated from the original world by a certain demon lord.

There is also the fact that Names have been erased or didn't existed at all for souls so they are essentially independent from one another which supports the type 1 notion as the object in question does not exist yet the governing aspect remains unaltered.

AlexSamDen said:
If I remember correctly, you say this because Souls in DMC are more fundamental than CM1 (names)

But in Tensura there's a similar thing too

Magic CM1 is more fundamental than Soul/Spirit CM1


So if we count those "more fundamental", DMC is getting CM haxed and layers won't save them

And since Magic includes Soul stuff, it will be able to interact with DMC Souls
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Is that established on the wiki yet? If not then it wouldn't be usable as of now.
 
Tanin_iver said:
Equally Soul(DMC) hax Rimuru that he doesn't resist?
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Soul is made of Info-2 so no soul hax won't work
Abstract Existence (Type 1):
  • Law & Concept (Type 1; Attributes are the Laws governing the Principle/Logic of the World[10][19], that which preceded existence itself;[20] Elemental Spirits are split off from the Great Spirit of each Attribute[7], they are Spiritual Lifeforms that embody the laws that governing the world[10]. For instance, Demons are embodying the darkness attribute[20] as they are born from the Great Spirit of Darkness[7]; True Dragons are the Holy Will of Nature and[21] the source of the World[22], yet True Dragons are also bound by the Attributes as they are associated with them[10]. Spiritual Lifeforms can exist as their conceptual selves[13], they can retain their form at the end of space and time and are thus unaffected by it[23])
  • Information (Type 2; Spiritual Lifeforms can abandoned their physical bodies and exist only as pure souls[10]; Information particle and information are the fundamental aspect of Tensura and all things such as Mind, Soul, and Abstract things like Skills are made up of it)
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Sauce
Tanin_iver said:
So incon.
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Hmm what about Void Manipulation ?
Tanin_iver said:
Or Dante can BFR and Seal Rimuru
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Umm no ?
This is the BFR and sealing I assume ?
Improved BFR & Improved Power Nullification via Improved Sealing (Sealed Mundus away sending him to the Demon World[30] and removed his powers. His sealing powers are stated to be above Sparda himself[31])
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Rimuru has resistance to BFR and can teleport from his second key onwards
Minor Resistance to
  • Spatial Manipulation, Dimensional Travel Negation, Teleportation Negation and Spatial Manipulation Negation (Spatial Domination users can force themselves through its abilities[58])
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Demon slime key Resistance
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Upscales from this in his Ultimate Slime Key Resistance
Minor Resistance to
  • Space-Time Manipulation, Dimensional Travel Negation, Teleportation Negation, Spatial Manipulation Negation (Spatial Domination users can force themselves through its abilities,[90] so it's safe to assume that Space-Time Manipulation users can do the same)
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BFR (Broke out of[59] the Fortress of Dreams which isolates the target in another dimension)
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Pre ultimate slime key Resistance
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Space-Time Manipulation, Dimensional Travel Negation, Teleportation Negation, Spatial Manipulation Negation (Via Space-Time Manipulation, evolution of Spatial Domination, which can interfere with space and block space travel abilities,[69] as well as counter spatial attacks[70])
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ultimate slime key Abilities
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Or can just yk get out

  • Teleportation & Dimensional Travel (Spatial Motion allows the user to be able to transport himself to a place he has visited before[12])

    Slime key Abilities
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  • Dimensional Travel (5-D; Spiritual Lifeforms can travel through worlds[20])
  • Time Travel & Dimensional Travel (He copied Velgrynd's ability that allowed her to jump through worlds and also time[76])
  • Teleportation & Space-Time Manipulation (With Space Time Domination which is the evolved version of Space Time Manipulation, Rimuru can make instantaneous movements that can impact time as well)

    ultimate slime key Abilities
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In the first place I doubt BFR is doing much to a DLF since they have BDE-1 and are unaffected by space-time related stuff which BFR is....
  • Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Information Particles transcend Space and Time,[40] and are unaffected by space and time in any way,[40] which extends to them being able to resist time stop)
  • Acausality (Type 1 and a higher degree of Type 4; Digital Lifeforms can easily move to any point in time[40] without being affected by space and time)

    They are literally unaffected by this
  • Time Stop (5-D; Suspended World stops time across all worlds[40])
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Sauce

Now I am curious about that sealing though like how does it work because Rimuru has layers of resistance to powernull and even unconventional resistance to powernull and resistance to sealing asw so...
 
Tanin_iver said:
Equally Soul(DMC) hax Rimuru that he doesn't resist?
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Why would you assume it can even effect Rimuru?
Souls are made of information in tensura, you need info type 2 to do anything to it.

And to effect the soul you need to bypass the astral and spiritual body... And guess what, that means having to go through his NEP and BDE1 as well.

Dante just has no way of even interacting with Rimuru
Tanin_iver said:
I already pointed out that both can hax each other the aspects they lack in the 5D thread itself.
So incon.

Or Dante can BFR and Seal Rimuru
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What's stopping Rimuru from using Dimensional Manipulation on Dante and sealing him in another spatial dimension first?
Given Dante can't even interact with Rimuru, Rimuru has the inevitable first (and on that line, all) move advantages
 
I don't see how Dante can literally do anything to Rimuru.

Considering as a Demon… Rimuru has Nonexistent All Aspects with Space-Time, Life & Death and Law…

While Dante only has Non-Physical Interaction of Nonexistence of Aspects 1, 2, 3 & 5 (Space-Time)…

Let alone all of the Information Type 2 hax Rimuru has…
 
Tatsumi504 said:
But he isn't a demon
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He is, he just has a physically incarnated form, beyond that he's a demon species alr.
Check his DL key, he has Demon slf physiology
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Damn it, ruby doesn't work on forum, so I had to add the [] braces
Tatsumi504 said:
and the NEP for demons is only when they aren't incarnated so I'm not understanding all the NEP arguments
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Lemme ask ds, what will happen once rimuru's incarnated form (physical body) is destroyed? THE DEMON IS REVEALED :insert gojo flying meme:

Anyways, Rimuru can act without his physical body (tbf he doesn't even have one in DLF key which is being used here) so he spams Void regardless.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
But he isn't a demon and the NEP for demons is only when they aren't incarnated so I'm not understanding all the NEP arguments
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Its mostly about rimuru having the Physiology of anything he wants to be, whether be it Angel, demon or true dragon. Without being intrinsically any of them at all, he is also not a slime as that was something addressed in volume 15 to 16
He is just remotely close to an existence to that of a true dragon, and in volume 23, its mentioned he is some kind of singularity that got Veldanava's "love" (i dont need to explain the lore but yeah)
Incarnated demon or not, just like Veldanava he can be whatver he wants, even without a soul or ego
 
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