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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

“There were probably many factors involved… They were all right and wrong.”
“If you yelled out that you didn’t want that, you had to carve out your own path.”
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Contradiction = coexistence of opposing truths or tendencies
It arises when a being makes choices, experiences emotions, or changes
“If we return to omniscience and omnipotence, there will be no changes whatsoever.”
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Blatantly outside change as a whole concept.
The "All-One" has no contradictions which is why Ivarage could not be "All-One" because she gained more contradictions after consuming Veldanava, who has contradictions after renouncing his "Omnipotence and Omniscience".
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Btw @Mizuki67 it was decided among the thread OP and me that the "NEP2" wouldn't be added to the current "God" profile since the NEP2 was for "Zero", while God is not that.
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Accepted---God (Tensura)

Bump, I think the other aspects can be discussed at another time, otherwise this thread will be delayed.
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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Benimaru why are you trying not to laugh bro? Come on it's so disrespectful
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So it'll just stay in the back until a profile is made for "Zero", until then, we'd make another crt to give God a NEP2 rating as well via different reasoning
 
God is neither, wouldn't that make bro more NEP technically? Even in the light novel ivarage said the same thing "it wasnt full nor empty"
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Btw @Mizuki67 it was decided among the thread OP and me that the "NEP2" wouldn't be added to the current "God" profile since the NEP2 was for "Zero", while God is not that.
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Accepted---God (Tensura)

Bump, I think the other aspects can be discussed at another time, otherwise this thread will be delayed.
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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Benimaru why are you trying not to laugh bro? Come on it's so disrespectful
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So it'll just stay in the back until a profile is made for "Zero", until then, we'd make another crt to give God a NEP2 rating as well via different reasoning
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Mizuki67 said:
God is neither, wouldn't that make bro more NEP technically?
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All One -> Zero -> God
God is Taiji, Zero is similar to Wuji ig, All-One is Tao, based on zegion's and diablo's statement
Mizuki67 said:
Even in the light novel ivarage said the same thing "it wasnt full nor empty"
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it didn't occur to me to use this as evidence too, but a good idea.
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Btw @Mizuki67 it was decided among the thread OP and me that the "NEP2" wouldn't be added to the current "God" profile since the NEP2 was for "Zero", while God is not that.
vsbattles.com

Accepted---God (Tensura)

Bump, I think the other aspects can be discussed at another time, otherwise this thread will be delayed.
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
vsbattles.com

Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Benimaru why are you trying not to laugh bro? Come on it's so disrespectful
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

So it'll just stay in the back until a profile is made for "Zero", until then, we'd make another crt to give God a NEP2 rating as well via different reasoning
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Am I the only one who don't get that zero - infinity thing?
 
wht are we feeling after ep 6. why does nobody use anime tensura in vs battles. seems kinda unfair ppl js want to use the strongest version of smth from a seperate continuity.
 
Anyway, I was thinking of getting Nep 2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the information define the demons' attribute (which is darkness (emptiness/nothingness))?

If the answer is yes: Interesting.

If no: Too bad.
 
Vesxpura said:
ur making the tensura fandom follow the footsteps of solo leveling
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gng I'm trynna give an analogy that everyone can understand. Not saying they are those things word to word. It's like trying to explain how higher realities have more real things including real 1-A beings, not actual real (as in real life) people
Vesxpura said:
wht are we feeling after ep 6. why does nobody use anime tensura in vs battles. seems kinda unfair ppl js want to use the strongest version of smth from a seperate continuity.
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because most of that stuff requires calculations which... surprise surprise, no body is unlazy enough to do
+ LN and Anime have the same profile
 
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Eikichi_Sensei said:
Anyway, I was thinking of getting Nep 2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the information define the demons' attribute (which is darkness (emptiness/nothingness))?

If the answer is yes: Interesting.

If no: Too bad.
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It was concluded in the prev crt that demons' information is nep in the sense that its negative (like 1 and -1 as data) instead of not outright existing
That could be used to give abyss Info based NEP2
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
It was concluded in the prev crt that demons' information is nep in the sense that its negative (like 1 and -1 as data) instead of not outright existing
That could be used to give abyss Info based NEP2
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I didn't quite understand those terms 1 and -1. I know the wiki accepts 1 as existence, so what would -1 be?

I asked the question because, if that were the case, the argument I came up with was this: If information defines "nothingness/emptiness," but the abyss erases that information, then it's a nothingness that cannot be defined as nothing.

Nep 2.
 
Eikichi_Sensei said:
I didn't quite understand those terms 1 and -1. I know the wiki accepts 1 as existence, so what would -1 be?

I asked the question because, if that were the case, the argument I came up with was this: If information defines "nothingness/emptiness," but the abyss erases that information, then it's a nothingness that cannot be defined as nothing.

Nep 2.
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It would be Transdual Nonexistence or Particular Change(Being Outside of Categories Existence and Nonexistence).

Also thing exactly you are arguing was rejected recently. Idk what your counter against it. But it would be better if you actually make CRT via countering rejection if you don't want to speedrun discussion rule or leave it to supporters ig
 
Hecky2222 said:
It would be Transdual Nonexistence or Particular Change(Being Outside of Categories Existence and Nonexistence).

Also thing exactly you are arguing was rejected recently. Idk what your counter against it. But it would be better if you actually make CRT via countering rejection if you don't want to speedrun discussion rule or leave it to supporters ig
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That thread was about nep 1, not nep 2. Nep 2 was only partially addressed; the arguments weren't well-defined.

This argument wasn't stated, if I recall correctly.
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
All One -> Zero -> God
God is Taiji, Zero is similar to Wuji ig, All-One is Tao, based on zegion's and diablo's statement

it didn't occur to me to use this as evidence too, but a good idea.
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What?
No way, isn't All-One God? It's in his profile.
Astral_Trinity439 said:
how about you help me give Milim logic hax 🫰
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Speaking about logic...what about the mask, it should have smt similar as paradoxical state shi exist on logic manipulation page
 
Eikichi_Sensei said:
That thread was about nep 1, not nep 2. Nep 2 was only partially addressed; the arguments weren't well-defined.

This argument wasn't stated, if I recall correctly.
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It was argued literally in thread then it got accepted as NEP 1 + 1 layer.

Erasing Information was literally argument
 
Hecky2222 said:
It was argued literally in thread then it got accepted as NEP 1 + 1 layer.

Erasing Information was literally argument
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I don't see the point then?

The attribute (concept) of darkness (nothingness/emptiness) of demons, defined by information, is erased—how is that a cape?

It would make sense if it becomes nothing but there's still information, but it's all been erased 🥸.
 
Eikichi_Sensei said:
I don't see the point then?

The attribute (concept) of darkness (nothingness/emptiness) of demons, defined by information, is erased—how is that a cape?

It would make sense if it becomes nothing but there's still information, but it's all been erased 🥸.
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Just read Astral's NEP thread and counters against it.
 
Eikichi_Sensei said:
I didn't quite understand those terms 1 and -1. I know the wiki accepts 1 as existence, so what would -1 be?
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I'm not talking about how wiki takes it, I mean in general.

If 1 is positive data (lets say, information on an existent being) while -1 is negative data (information on a nonexistent being), Abyss is 0 (neither).
Eikichi_Sensei said:
I asked the question because, if that were the case, the argument I came up with was this: If information defines "nothingness/emptiness," but the abyss erases that information, then it's a nothingness that cannot be defined as nothing.

Nep 2.
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Yep
Hecky2222 said:
It would be Transdual Nonexistence or Particular Change(Being Outside of Categories Existence and Nonexistence).

Also thing exactly you are arguing was rejected recently. Idk what your counter against it. But it would be better if you actually make CRT via countering rejection if you don't want to speedrun discussion rule or leave it to supporters ig
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Actually no, in the first CRT it was rejected cuz we had to argue demons being NEP and that was the only problem, which we skipped cuz derailment, so Abyss was left with 1 layer which we settled with at the moment. But now Demons do have nep accepted, in those aspects, so...
Mizuki67 said:
What?
No way, isn't All-One God? It's in his profile.
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God, also called Perfection (Infinity), is one of the Supreme Beings of Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken.

The concept of “Divinity” is perceived differently depending on the time and place, and this one is based on the belief in the Great Holy Spirit, one of the many ways to think of the “All-One”.
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Time is a phenomenon that converges from Perfection (Infinity) to Nothingness (Zero), and its destination is what I consider to be "All One".
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Mizuki67 said:
Speaking about logic...what about the mask, it should have smt similar as paradoxical state shi exist on logic manipulation page
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It's kinda only a temporal paradox, not a logical one.
We need stuff like the NEP laws from WN, "exist but also don't exist, don't exist but also exist".
 
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