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I'll go read this later
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ITS A BUG WHAT THE F*** IS HAPPENING; Valentino vs The Hollow Knight (Hazbin Hotel vs Hollow Knight) [5-9-0]
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Ruby_R_Dracula
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hmmm the hollow knight fra
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just a quick note on how inconsistent regeneration is in Hazbin:
Valentino in the end scene wanted to fly the Vees away from the Might of Lilith when it was about to explode
but he couldn't cuz his wings were ripped
...despite having combat applicable High-Low regeneration which should be more than enough to regenerate holes in his wings since he could regenerate from stab wounds on his body
so for all we know Valentino can't even regenerate after a certain time
Valentino in the end scene wanted to fly the Vees away from the Might of Lilith when it was about to explode
but he couldn't cuz his wings were ripped
...despite having combat applicable High-Low regeneration which should be more than enough to regenerate holes in his wings since he could regenerate from stab wounds on his body
so for all we know Valentino can't even regenerate after a certain time
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Nah his wings are just harder to regenerate fr
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By the way HK is never going to have an intelligence advantage because one is sentient and the other isn't. Not saying I disagree with everything, just that Val isn't that shit of a shot, but yeh.
Welcome to Hellaverse, we have a guy getting impaled with a knife through the chest instantly regenerating it in the same class of people who can't regenerate a few cuts on the cheek on-screen.
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i mean he's not but they operate at the same range with projectiles and aren't much different in that regard
in CQC though he just gets bodied no matter what
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Ehhh, debatable. Valentino can surprise folks like Alastor and honestly is probably the most skilled of the Vees in direct combat, while HK has a nasty tendency to give itself holes in the body when hurt sufficiently.
If this was Pure Vessel you'd be able to just hand it more, but HK itself is just a nah
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I think that's not applicable here since he only did that when fighting Knight who was meant to replace him.
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The same Alastor he didn't fight CQC for the most part and was also struggling with a broken staff and gaping chest wound and was distracted by 2 other Vees AND doesn't have any particularly notable martial arts or skill feats
HK itself was still able to fight the Knight who beat Hornet twice. If your only counterargument for the Hollow Knight is that he stands still and takes hits and stabs himself, not only is that game mechanics (cuz the Pure Vessel as well as literally every boss and enemy does this too), but it also just proves that HK can just facetank impaling himself, so what would Valentino's bullets do
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I'm not going to get into the specifics with two nonverbal characters and what they're thinking. Like they don't even have faces to read to throw darts in the direction of an answer, they got nothing.
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Two other Vees who were leaving him alone. Hello, person who wrote the Vees team profile here, I had to analyze that scene borderline frame by frame to write their tactics section. Valentino opened fire on AL before getting into a melee brawl. Beyond that, Alastor can reverse getting AP stomped by using his head and outmatching Vox, who was ragdolling him.
And you can no hit the Hollow Knight with no charms, no movement, broken nail only. That's the problem with trying to scale to Player Characters. Their high ends that are impressive don't scale to anyone else.
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Worst part is someone prolly already did this like 3 times.
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MFer they did Pantheon 5 like that if I'm not mistaken. The wait for Silksong pushed the skilled players to just perfect their nails and do the dumbest shit.Worst part is someone prolly already did this like 3 times.
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FYM PANTHEON FIVE
The wait for Silksong truly made HK fans lose their minds
Well, maybe with movement, but yeah shit has been uploaded to that effect.
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The skill here is more so about him being the Pure Vessel but weaker and ferral. He still has that insane muscle memory, just not the strength to fully show it. Also like, gameplay isn't to be considered much when it comes to skill as otherwise nobody would scale to anyone at all, we just consider the average.
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He can swing a sword. That is uh, not the golden achievement in skill. Does he swing it a particular way, make gusts of air to extend his swings or something? nope. He's just swinging a sword. He can occasionally even do combos and IIRC parries with it. But I can do that. We're not talking about Hornet, because Hornet would 100% skillfuck Val and already has, we're talking about the decaying corpse with the barest measure of muscle memory and skill left from its glory days.
The average player gets their shit pushed in by most things so really isn't exactly what we'd call skilled. Some people think Broken Vessel is actually difficult and deserves to be beyond the bottom 5 of difficulty of Hollow Knight Bosses.
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We know that the Husk Guards have enough memory to basically retain most of their skills and again, gameplay doesn't showcase full skill. This is supported by stuff we see in the few cutscenes that we have where its clearly different from what happens in the gameplay.
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That's Husk Guards, not HK.
It certainly showcases HK trying to commit seppuku mid-combat, and the little fact that just because the Nail Masters can do things doesn't mean HK can. The Pure Vessel is actually skilled. The Hollow Knight is not and saying otherwise is placing assumptions upon assumptions on the damn thing. And that's not saying Valentino skill stomps because he does not by any measure of the imagination, and saying otherwise is straight up not true. Like I'm not saying that HK is skill-less, but it's just not more skilled than someone who isn't falling apart.
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Not that it changes my vote, but I do agree with Reaper here on the easiest fight in the game™ not being more skilled than Val
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Yippee, grace is over and now I get to put this on the profiles AND continue the story.
Following Val’s death at the hands of the Hollow Knight, he’d eventually be resurrected by the Radiance, plaguing him with infection.
Vox, looking through a large VoxTech digital board, would see the aftermath and hear the scream of the Radiance as Val flew into the air. His eyes a bright, sickly orange as thick fluid gushed out of his mouth, yet his words clear as day.
“YOUR CHAMPIONS ARE FALLING. MY LIGHT CANNOT BE CONSUMED, AND I WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN.”
Following Val’s death at the hands of the Hollow Knight, he’d eventually be resurrected by the Radiance, plaguing him with infection.
Vox, looking through a large VoxTech digital board, would see the aftermath and hear the scream of the Radiance as Val flew into the air. His eyes a bright, sickly orange as thick fluid gushed out of his mouth, yet his words clear as day.
“YOUR CHAMPIONS ARE FALLING. MY LIGHT CANNOT BE CONSUMED, AND I WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN.”
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