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Credits to @Nighting4l33yes for the Ascended Chrysos Heirs proposal
The current profiles currently assumes the Chrysos Heirs in their Demigod key are the same ones during their fight against Irontomb. However, this is not the case.
The distinction between the recurrence Chrysos Heirs and the endgame Chrysos Heirs is not just one of experience but one of ontology. The text repeatedly frames the final forms of the Heirs not as ordinary loop iterations but as states culminating that are produced through the entire purpose of the Amphoreus experiment itself: iterative refinement through inheritance, conflict, remembrance, and ascension.
From the outset, the function of Amphoreus is both accumulative AND cyclical for its own sake. δ-me13 describes the system as:
This is further proven in the Ruins of Time quest description:
Keep in mind the TB attempted to use Time's power inside Ruins of Time but couldn't. Only March could because she had now the full and complete authority of Time exercising complete control over it.
The ascended Heirs retain awareness of prior recurrences, lifetimes, and destinies across millions of cycles:
Tribios provides one of the clearest demonstrations of this evolution. Earlier in the the arc, recurrence Tribios exists in fragmented and unstable multiplicity, repeatedly scattering and dissipating through use of the Century Gate and other powers. Yet by the end of the arc, the end-game Tribioses are reintegrated into a stable unified existence while still retaining their multiple selves.
A part separating the current Heirs/Titans from the titans/heirs of the previous cycles could also be added just to highlight why Phainon and the rest were able to so easily bring the former ones down and why they are stronger and "better".
Lygus directly identifies the current/final generation of Heirs as superior compared to those (Calypso, Gnaeus etc) in the previous extrapolation. It's that in each cycle the Heirs are constantly "upgraded" and become stronger in each iteration. So, because in the 337th recurrence Era Nova actually happens and the final cycle is considered a "new" extrapolation, the Heirs ascend and are naturally stronger than their previous incarnations that they themselves also distance with.
In conclusion for this section, the Chrysos Heirs should get a new key called "Ascended" or "Final Recurrence".
The current profiles currently assumes the Chrysos Heirs in their Demigod key are the same ones during their fight against Irontomb. However, this is not the case.
The distinction between the recurrence Chrysos Heirs and the endgame Chrysos Heirs is not just one of experience but one of ontology. The text repeatedly frames the final forms of the Heirs not as ordinary loop iterations but as states culminating that are produced through the entire purpose of the Amphoreus experiment itself: iterative refinement through inheritance, conflict, remembrance, and ascension.
From the outset, the function of Amphoreus is both accumulative AND cyclical for its own sake. δ-me13 describes the system as:
Whose purpose is:
Additionally:
Similarly:
This is the main point and foundation of the argument. The recurrence system is not designed to endlessly reproduce identical nor random entities but to refine them through successive iterations. Information, experience, and inherited conceptual data are meant to accumulate. The experiment only has meaning if later states surpass prior ones. The experiment by the end of the arc was turned on its head turning its own purpose against it. The Heirs that were meant to be used as fuel through these iterations that were meant to empower them through the repeating of the journey are now against it. Keep in mind that ALL the End-Game heirs are now titled with their FULL Titan names.
This is further proven in the Ruins of Time quest description:
The Heirs here are not the final forms of the Titans throughout the recurrences even after acquiring the Coreflames.
The distinction between “Mydeimos” and “Mydei” is deliberate. End-game Mydei identifies continuity with Mydei while simultaneously treating “Mydei” as a prior or incomplete state. This is further reinforced by this line:
The ascended Mydei no longer identifies himself as a singular localized being, but as an existence expressed through multiple manifestations. The recurrence Heirs were iterative individuals bound to cycles. The ascended Heirs are portrayed as beings whose identities transcend singular embodiment. Memory is equally central to this transformation. In Amphoreus, memory is not passive recollection, but existential substance. Cyrene repeatedly frames remembrance as a reconstructive force capable of preserving and manifesting identity itself:
Keep in mind the TB attempted to use Time's power inside Ruins of Time but couldn't. Only March could because she had now the full and complete authority of Time exercising complete control over it.
Additionally, Cyrene explains to Cerydra and Hysilens that through Remembrance she will help them get through Phainon's seal, since it is blocking them as he didn't really trust them, and unto the outer world.
The ascended Heirs retain awareness of prior recurrences, lifetimes, and destinies across millions of cycles:
This is not treated as ordinary reincarnation or reset logic. The recurrence Heirs are iterative fragments within the process whereas the final forms are continuities carrying the accumulated informational and existential weight of all previous cycles.
Tribios provides one of the clearest demonstrations of this evolution. Earlier in the the arc, recurrence Tribios exists in fragmented and unstable multiplicity, repeatedly scattering and dissipating through use of the Century Gate and other powers. Yet by the end of the arc, the end-game Tribioses are reintegrated into a stable unified existence while still retaining their multiple selves.
They also no longer collapse after the repeated use of the Gate. Throughout the Ruins of Time, Trianne and Trinnon can individually use the Gate without being fatigued or weakened unlike their recurrence selves. Later on, Tribbie's name changes to Tribios. Tribios complete form is also shown by the end of the arc. This shows that Tribios here is complete and has now the ability to multiply herself into the smaller selves like the two other titans can (strife, romance)]
A part separating the current Heirs/Titans from the titans/heirs of the previous cycles could also be added just to highlight why Phainon and the rest were able to so easily bring the former ones down and why they are stronger and "better".
These could also be used to prove that their ascension during the recurrence is vastly different than their ascension of the last cycle.
Lygus directly identifies the current/final generation of Heirs as superior compared to those (Calypso, Gnaeus etc) in the previous extrapolation. It's that in each cycle the Heirs are constantly "upgraded" and become stronger in each iteration. So, because in the 337th recurrence Era Nova actually happens and the final cycle is considered a "new" extrapolation, the Heirs ascend and are naturally stronger than their previous incarnations that they themselves also distance with.
In conclusion for this section, the Chrysos Heirs should get a new key called "Ascended" or "Final Recurrence".
Disagree:
Neutral:
Now that we've explained why the Chrysos Heirs got stronger during the Final Recurrence, it's time to explain the scaling implications and everyone who scales here. The current Chrysos Heir's scale chain to Incomplete Irontomb would be moved and self-isolated within this new key. Those who scale to this level are the Emanator of Destruction, Zephyro, the Lord Ravager comparable to the Emanator of Destruction Irontomb, the second strongest Lord Ravager, Jingliu the Emanator of Elation, Silverwolf LV 999, as the strongest Emanator, and potentially the Emanator of Nihility Acheron as she is destined to fight Zephyro. It is also stated that Zephyro can't tank an attack from Acheron head on, supporting their comparability.
Additionally, this comes with some calc upgrades.
This calc has been accepted for Incomplete Irontomb. All those that I've named who are comparable to Incomplete Irontomb and Zephyro will scale Stellar Lifting Strength.
There's also this Irontomb calc that was never removed but due to confusions among the supporters, it has never been reimplemented properly. @SuperNova55555 has also brought to my attention that Irontomb still scales to this calc too even after his CRT. To summarize quickly, Scepter δ-me13 (Irontomb) is the original Celestial-Body Neuron of Nous, which therefore upscales from the emperor's sword, one of the Unworthy Scepters described as "merely poor imitation of Nous" that are capable of annihilating an entire galaxy in a nanosecond.
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All those that I've named who are comparable to Incomplete Irontomb and Zephyro will scale to Multi-Galaxy level and MFTL + (The Multi-Galaxy end is the accepted scaling on the verse page)
Additionally, this comes with some calc upgrades.
This calc has been accepted for Incomplete Irontomb. All those that I've named who are comparable to Incomplete Irontomb and Zephyro will scale Stellar Lifting Strength.
There's also this Irontomb calc that was never removed but due to confusions among the supporters, it has never been reimplemented properly. @SuperNova55555 has also brought to my attention that Irontomb still scales to this calc too even after his CRT. To summarize quickly, Scepter δ-me13 (Irontomb) is the original Celestial-Body Neuron of Nous, which therefore upscales from the emperor's sword, one of the Unworthy Scepters described as "merely poor imitation of Nous" that are capable of annihilating an entire galaxy in a nanosecond.
Honkai: Star Rail: Scepter capable of annihilating a whole galaxy
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All those that I've named who are comparable to Incomplete Irontomb and Zephyro will scale to Multi-Galaxy level and MFTL + (The Multi-Galaxy end is the accepted scaling on the verse page)
Disagree:
Neutral:
Addressing the elephant in the room, post Amphoreus scaling, Irontomb/Scepter δ-me13 went KABOOM due to the Chrysos Heirs obliterating all that remains of it. Logically, this means the Astral Express loses their Ascended State scaling and revert back to their Late Penacony Arc Key scaling due to the accumulated power of all 33 million cycles being solely tied to Scepter δ-me13, Amphoreus, and the simulation's existence as explained above.
By proxy, this includes the coreflames since they are literally just electrical signals for the same purpose for Scepter δ-me13. However, they are more complicated. It is implied that Dan Heng kept his coreflame. I will be going a different approach to solve this issue instead of just denying these scans. The coreflames are just pathstrider powers. In Dan Heng's case, the coreflame of Earth is just the Path of Permanence and he himself calls it that. Pathstriders also get stronger and get more abilities the more they walk further on their paths. This is important because 3.6 is literally him walking further onto the path of Permanence and accepts his past/current selves. Essentially, they do not possess the coreflames anymore and they do not possess the power amplification boost from them to maintain their 304 ZettaFOE scaling. However, their journey from Amphoreus while maintaining their respective path coreflames (Earth/Permanence, Worldbearing/Trailblaze, Time/Remembrance) allowed them to walk further down their paths and maintain the abilities gained from the coreflames.
Therefore I propose they revert back to their 30.4 ZettaFOE from the Late Penacony Arc but they keep their abilities gained from the coreflames. This also means Sparxie and her goons gets nerfed to the same level as well due to scaling off of them.
(If this isn't enough reasoning then another reason is that its wildly inconsistent for Planarcardia enemies to be Irontomb level so this supports them losing the power boost gained from the scepters)
By proxy, this includes the coreflames since they are literally just electrical signals for the same purpose for Scepter δ-me13. However, they are more complicated. It is implied that Dan Heng kept his coreflame. I will be going a different approach to solve this issue instead of just denying these scans. The coreflames are just pathstrider powers. In Dan Heng's case, the coreflame of Earth is just the Path of Permanence and he himself calls it that. Pathstriders also get stronger and get more abilities the more they walk further on their paths. This is important because 3.6 is literally him walking further onto the path of Permanence and accepts his past/current selves. Essentially, they do not possess the coreflames anymore and they do not possess the power amplification boost from them to maintain their 304 ZettaFOE scaling. However, their journey from Amphoreus while maintaining their respective path coreflames (Earth/Permanence, Worldbearing/Trailblaze, Time/Remembrance) allowed them to walk further down their paths and maintain the abilities gained from the coreflames.
Therefore I propose they revert back to their 30.4 ZettaFOE from the Late Penacony Arc but they keep their abilities gained from the coreflames. This also means Sparxie and her goons gets nerfed to the same level as well due to scaling off of them.
(If this isn't enough reasoning then another reason is that its wildly inconsistent for Planarcardia enemies to be Irontomb level so this supports them losing the power boost gained from the scepters)
Disagree:
Neutral:
Part 4 of the tying up loose ends, Khaslana empowering himself with the 12 coreflames. Each coreflame inherits the divinity and power/strength of their respective Titan. It's accepted that all Chrysos Heirs/Demigods that possesses a coreflame scale to 304.53235 ZettaFoe, 1.1C, and 6.96976 Sextillion Metric Tons on profiles due to being comparable to the Chrysos Heir, Hysilens and Trailblazer, who after possessing a coreflame can take on the Emanator of Erudition, Theoros Lygus, and eventually overpower him. To support this even more if thats not enough, the Titans and Heirs also mimic Aeons/pathstriders alongside originating from the Destruction's power, which should function similarly to the Chrysos Heirs who are stated to inherit Nanook's golden blood. This would also explain why the coreflame's power can match Theoros Lygus.
Now that's all out of the way. Khaslana is one of the only heirs that transforms and empowers himself with all 12 coreflames instead of the usual 1. Since 1 coreflame is the equivalent to 304.53235 ZettaFoe, 1.1C, and 518,600,000 Tons of Force, then all 12 added together would buff him to 3.6 YottaFOE, 13.2C, and 6,223,200,000 Tons of Force. It should be noted that the coreflames are Destruction Path/Imaginary/Honkai Energy which are UES so it's an increase to all stats. Supporting evidence for this is that Castorice gets weakened overall due to losing the Coreflame of Death. The increase is also backed by Khaslana obliterating the Titans in a single shot with like no difficulty since they only possess a single coreflame.
Now that's all out of the way. Khaslana is one of the only heirs that transforms and empowers himself with all 12 coreflames instead of the usual 1. Since 1 coreflame is the equivalent to 304.53235 ZettaFoe, 1.1C, and 518,600,000 Tons of Force, then all 12 added together would buff him to 3.6 YottaFOE, 13.2C, and 6,223,200,000 Tons of Force. It should be noted that the coreflames are Destruction Path/Imaginary/Honkai Energy which are UES so it's an increase to all stats. Supporting evidence for this is that Castorice gets weakened overall due to losing the Coreflame of Death. The increase is also backed by Khaslana obliterating the Titans in a single shot with like no difficulty since they only possess a single coreflame.
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