Breadbear83
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Introduction
for a while, for the DBZ Toei speed ratings, it has been used this 10 year old calc (high end of 152.07 million c) of Gokus dodging some rocks while being on top of his spaceship that can reach namek in 6 days
the calc gets this results because, besides assuming 6 days timeframe of Gokus spaceship going from earth to namek (which its fine, as its stated) it uses a Statement of King Kai saying that Namek its outside his ´´area´´ (or juridiction, which would be the north galaxy as hes the north kaio) from that statement it assumes Earth and nameks distance is of Earth to the nearest galaxy (accepted by the wiki to be andromeda Galaxy, 2.5 Million Lightyears)
hovewer, you can tell the calc mistakenly believes that north galaxy (King kai juricdition) is actually a single mere galaxy, even the 10 year old comments under this calc point this out
the universe in DBZ Toei being 4 mere galaxies was debunked a while ago, being accepted in the wiki as infinite sized in this thread
basically, from many infinite statement, the universe in DBZ Toei is infinite, and the 4 galaxies are just quadrants of the universe that, if its infinite, then so they are infinite, even the High 3A characters like Post RoSaT Goku scales from restricted SSJ Broly affecting entire sectors of the southern Galaxy/Southern Quadrant, it claryfing that the NESW Galaxy refers to countless galaxies, thats why the Feat is High 3A (requiring infinite energy to destroy an infinite structure)
so, TL;DR: if the north galaxy is infinite in size as ´´countless of galaxies´´ then, the distance of earth to namek requiring to getting out of it to get to another of the 4 galaxies, would be ´´countless of galaxies´´ long, an infinite distance, and an infinite feat
so yeah, lets get to different options of how to deal with the feat being wrong about north galaxy being a single mere galaxy
1: Infinite End
so with all i have said before, the ship would seemingly have infinite speed, and goku reacting and dodging to some spacerocks while on top of the ship would be an infinite speed feat,of course this sounds problematic, cuz even Raditz Saga goku downscales from Post Gravity training goku in speed, so basically EVERYONE in DBZ Toei would now scale to Infinite speed cuz everyone was already scaling to this feat
2: ´´Observable Universe ends´´
not sure if its fine, but if wanted to remediate with infinite speed not being accepted, for the calc, it could be assumed that the universe in this feat is only the size of our observable universe (93 Billion Lightyears)
so if the galaxy Quadrants are 1/4 of the universe, then id imagine it as like this:
Red Line is the diamater of our universe, 93 Billion lightyears, while the Green line is the Area of the Universe, and the diameter of the connected corners of the galaxies (46.5 Billion Lightyears)
i put Earth at the edge of the universe, because its stated by bulma to be there, and Beerus anime calc uses it (dunno if it being a DBS manga statement applies to DBZ Toei) but even then, it being at the edge of the universe doesnt neccesarily means its also at the edge of the next galaxy, it could be in the middle of the circumference of north galaxy, but in this map at least i did put it near to the edge of North-to-East Galaxy (namek is not stated to be in East galaxy, its an example), and assume Namek is also near it edge (Namek doesnt have any statement about its position on those galaxies)
Earth and namek having significant distance within the universe its supported by this cosmology Map too, likely not accurate to the pixel but gives an idea of how their distance looks like in a universal scale, likely of billions of lightyears
so lets go for the ends:
2.1: ´´edge of galaxies´´ end
if we still assumed that earth is near the edge to the next galaxy (lets say East Galaxy) then for ´´edge´´ id assume 25% of diameter of the north galaxy, which would be 11.625 Billion Lightyears, if we also assumed namek is another edge of the next galaxy far away, then id adds up to 23.5 Billion lightyears
as the original calc had 2.5 Million lightyears of distance, the distance is 9300x bigger and so the results of this calc are multiplied by that to 1.414251 Trillion c (MFTL+)
2.2: ´´Furthest known galaxy´´ end
in the common feats explanations we have the feat of going from earth to the ´´farthest known galaxy´´ being going to Abel 2218 (13 Billion Lightyears), so if simply using this calc then we have that distance, the calc now has a 5200x higher distance and results of 790.764 Billion c (MFTL+)
2.3: comparing it to Vegetas Spaceship
it took Nappa and Vegeta to get to earth in 1 year from starting in a unknown planet, assuming it was half of universe Diameter: 46.5 Billion Lightyears/1 Year = 46.5 Billion c
now, to compare it to Gokus Spaceship, i will consider how long it took Vegeta to also get to Namek by starting from Earth:
first, after getting beaten up in earth, it took Vegeta 18 days to get from earth to Freeza 79, after healing, as kanzenshu says, it took vegeta another 5 days to get from Freeza 79 to Namek as soon as he got healed (said here too, daizenzu 7 is the source but couldnt find the page)
if gokus Spaceship is faster: as Vegetas spaceship takes 23 days to go from earth to namek (18 of them being to get to Freeza 79) then, either Namek is somewhere in the middle of Earth and Freeza 79, so if he had to backtrack the 5 days it would be 13 days to go from earth to Namek, or in the other case Namek is further to Earth than Freeza 79, adding the 5 days to the 18 days of timeframe its 23, both are longer than 6 day timeframes of goku who also started in earth
this leads to goku spaceship being 2.166x to 3.833x faster than vegetas spaceship: 100.75 Billioin c to 178.25 Billion c (this also leads to Namek being 1.65503 Billion to 2.92813 Billion Lightyears from earth)
besides that, Gokus spaceship is a rebuild of the one he used to arrive to earth as a baby, his spaceship looked identical to the ones Nappa and Vegeta uses, so it should have comparable speed if not more, as dr brief had even time to try to put a stereo on it even after putting the 100G gravity technology into it, the later being a technology that hasnt be seen anywhere else in dragon ball besides earth (as created by him), he clearly could have made the spaceship even faster with how smart he is
if Gokus spaceship is the same speed as this spaceship, then besides the Fact namek would now be 763.86 Million lightyears from earth, goku spaceship would now be 46.5 billion c
NOTE: so we have the following ends
3: nothing changes
in case both ends are not agreed, then nothing changes for the calc
Votes:
Infinite End: 0;0
Edge of galaxies end (1.414251 Trillion c): 0;0
Furthest known galaxy end (790.764 Billion c): 0;0
NEW VOTES BELOW:
High end of Gokus Spaceship being comparable to Vegetas spaceship (178.25 Billion c)
Mid end of Gokus Spaceship being comparable to Vegetas Spaceship (100.75 Billioin c)
Low End of Gokus Spaceship being comparable to Vegetas Spaceship (46.5 Billion c)
Nothing changes: 0;0
for a while, for the DBZ Toei speed ratings, it has been used this 10 year old calc (high end of 152.07 million c) of Gokus dodging some rocks while being on top of his spaceship that can reach namek in 6 days
the calc gets this results because, besides assuming 6 days timeframe of Gokus spaceship going from earth to namek (which its fine, as its stated) it uses a Statement of King Kai saying that Namek its outside his ´´area´´ (or juridiction, which would be the north galaxy as hes the north kaio) from that statement it assumes Earth and nameks distance is of Earth to the nearest galaxy (accepted by the wiki to be andromeda Galaxy, 2.5 Million Lightyears)
hovewer, you can tell the calc mistakenly believes that north galaxy (King kai juricdition) is actually a single mere galaxy, even the 10 year old comments under this calc point this out
the universe in DBZ Toei being 4 mere galaxies was debunked a while ago, being accepted in the wiki as infinite sized in this thread
basically, from many infinite statement, the universe in DBZ Toei is infinite, and the 4 galaxies are just quadrants of the universe that, if its infinite, then so they are infinite, even the High 3A characters like Post RoSaT Goku scales from restricted SSJ Broly affecting entire sectors of the southern Galaxy/Southern Quadrant, it claryfing that the NESW Galaxy refers to countless galaxies, thats why the Feat is High 3A (requiring infinite energy to destroy an infinite structure)
so, TL;DR: if the north galaxy is infinite in size as ´´countless of galaxies´´ then, the distance of earth to namek requiring to getting out of it to get to another of the 4 galaxies, would be ´´countless of galaxies´´ long, an infinite distance, and an infinite feat
so yeah, lets get to different options of how to deal with the feat being wrong about north galaxy being a single mere galaxy
1: Infinite End
so with all i have said before, the ship would seemingly have infinite speed, and goku reacting and dodging to some spacerocks while on top of the ship would be an infinite speed feat,of course this sounds problematic, cuz even Raditz Saga goku downscales from Post Gravity training goku in speed, so basically EVERYONE in DBZ Toei would now scale to Infinite speed cuz everyone was already scaling to this feat
2: ´´Observable Universe ends´´
not sure if its fine, but if wanted to remediate with infinite speed not being accepted, for the calc, it could be assumed that the universe in this feat is only the size of our observable universe (93 Billion Lightyears)
so if the galaxy Quadrants are 1/4 of the universe, then id imagine it as like this:
Red Line is the diamater of our universe, 93 Billion lightyears, while the Green line is the Area of the Universe, and the diameter of the connected corners of the galaxies (46.5 Billion Lightyears)
i put Earth at the edge of the universe, because its stated by bulma to be there, and Beerus anime calc uses it (dunno if it being a DBS manga statement applies to DBZ Toei) but even then, it being at the edge of the universe doesnt neccesarily means its also at the edge of the next galaxy, it could be in the middle of the circumference of north galaxy, but in this map at least i did put it near to the edge of North-to-East Galaxy (namek is not stated to be in East galaxy, its an example), and assume Namek is also near it edge (Namek doesnt have any statement about its position on those galaxies)
Earth and namek having significant distance within the universe its supported by this cosmology Map too, likely not accurate to the pixel but gives an idea of how their distance looks like in a universal scale, likely of billions of lightyears
so lets go for the ends:
2.1: ´´edge of galaxies´´ end
if we still assumed that earth is near the edge to the next galaxy (lets say East Galaxy) then for ´´edge´´ id assume 25% of diameter of the north galaxy, which would be 11.625 Billion Lightyears, if we also assumed namek is another edge of the next galaxy far away, then id adds up to 23.5 Billion lightyears
as the original calc had 2.5 Million lightyears of distance, the distance is 9300x bigger and so the results of this calc are multiplied by that to 1.414251 Trillion c (MFTL+)
2.2: ´´Furthest known galaxy´´ end
in the common feats explanations we have the feat of going from earth to the ´´farthest known galaxy´´ being going to Abel 2218 (13 Billion Lightyears), so if simply using this calc then we have that distance, the calc now has a 5200x higher distance and results of 790.764 Billion c (MFTL+)
2.3: comparing it to Vegetas Spaceship
it took Nappa and Vegeta to get to earth in 1 year from starting in a unknown planet, assuming it was half of universe Diameter: 46.5 Billion Lightyears/1 Year = 46.5 Billion c
now, to compare it to Gokus Spaceship, i will consider how long it took Vegeta to also get to Namek by starting from Earth:
first, after getting beaten up in earth, it took Vegeta 18 days to get from earth to Freeza 79, after healing, as kanzenshu says, it took vegeta another 5 days to get from Freeza 79 to Namek as soon as he got healed (said here too, daizenzu 7 is the source but couldnt find the page)
if gokus Spaceship is faster: as Vegetas spaceship takes 23 days to go from earth to namek (18 of them being to get to Freeza 79) then, either Namek is somewhere in the middle of Earth and Freeza 79, so if he had to backtrack the 5 days it would be 13 days to go from earth to Namek, or in the other case Namek is further to Earth than Freeza 79, adding the 5 days to the 18 days of timeframe its 23, both are longer than 6 day timeframes of goku who also started in earth
this leads to goku spaceship being 2.166x to 3.833x faster than vegetas spaceship: 100.75 Billioin c to 178.25 Billion c (this also leads to Namek being 1.65503 Billion to 2.92813 Billion Lightyears from earth)
besides that, Gokus spaceship is a rebuild of the one he used to arrive to earth as a baby, his spaceship looked identical to the ones Nappa and Vegeta uses, so it should have comparable speed if not more, as dr brief had even time to try to put a stereo on it even after putting the 100G gravity technology into it, the later being a technology that hasnt be seen anywhere else in dragon ball besides earth (as created by him), he clearly could have made the spaceship even faster with how smart he is
if Gokus spaceship is the same speed as this spaceship, then besides the Fact namek would now be 763.86 Million lightyears from earth, goku spaceship would now be 46.5 billion c
NOTE: so we have the following ends
3: nothing changes
in case both ends are not agreed, then nothing changes for the calc
Votes:
Infinite End: 0;0
Edge of galaxies end (1.414251 Trillion c): 0;0
Furthest known galaxy end (790.764 Billion c): 0;0
NEW VOTES BELOW:
High end of Gokus Spaceship being comparable to Vegetas spaceship (178.25 Billion c)
Mid end of Gokus Spaceship being comparable to Vegetas Spaceship (100.75 Billioin c)
Low End of Gokus Spaceship being comparable to Vegetas Spaceship (46.5 Billion c)
Nothing changes: 0;0
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