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On some more Honkai chainscaling + NEP3 removal

Voidnether said:
I already said that if The Herta were going to destroy Amphoreus, its output is literally stated to exceed the Chadwick Bomb. Like Amphoreus is the same place that has its own space-time continuum inside with their size being 4-A (Multi Solar System). Heck I could argue it to contain galaxies too when Khaslana destroyed multiple galaxies. Like you sometimes forget that Amphoreus contains a Lord Ravager, which is Irontomb.

What I am arguing here is the output of an Emanator is obviously galaxy, we see this when Acheron destroyed the dreamscape (or you can just read her justifications).
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Part 2 regarding the Scepter, so yeah I'm arguing here that the output varies and that Amphoreus nor the Scepter that destroyed a whole galaxy cannot be destroyed by Chadwick Bomb that's only able to destroy 24 planets
 
Also @Mbpoops, you should be arguing with like with the problems at hand instead of arguing against a nonexistent problem because that's the impression I get in your arguments with Castorice, Welt definitely doesn't scale as in comparable to Zephyro since bro almost died and that we have confirmations that Astral Express turned into Sin Thirsters after and no one's capable of doing this other than Zephyro himself. So yeah if anything I propose Welt to scale relatively, and this is already huge given Welt is the weakest Herrscher just above Wendy and that Zephyro is the strongest Lord Ravager narratively described as the most terrifying one.
 
Voidnether said:
Welt definitely doesn't scale as in comparable to Zephyro
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Hes arguing Welt scales to the SOE (He does not)

We actually accepted multiple times Welt doesn't scale to the SOE and the CRT that even gave Welt's SOE the rating of the clash in the first place accepted that Welt doesn't scale to the SOE because he kills himself using it
 
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CastoriceTheFifth said:
Im fine with either options because Welt himself doesnt scale back to SOE almost no one scales back to Zephyro to cause a verse wide chainscale and OP himself believes Zephyro survived the clash

Do you know which option do you prefer?
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Is there any confirmation or strong evidence that Zephyro survived the universe getting blown up or no
 
Because I find it really difficult to believe Zephyro would be able to tank something like Irontomb's universe nuke especially when the former was incapable of stopping Firenon from striking Nanook
 
Imo Zephyro and Welt (obviously) do not physically scale to the universe being blown up

However their strongest attacks combined along with their opposing properties will result in said effect (even tho in theory a black hole should just devour a white hole but it's fiction so whatever)
 
It's basically just a chemical reaction

Potassium and water on their own do not cause explosions but when you combine them a violent reaction happens
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Hes arguing Welt scales to the SOE (He does not)

We actually accepted multiple times Welt doesn't scale to the SOE and the CRT that even gave Welt's SOE the rating of the clash in the first place accepted that Welt doesn't scale to the SOE because he kills himself using it
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The SoE that collided with Zephyro, yes but the problem is that other than that usually Welt is portrayed > SoE since it's a replica of the actual one on HI3rd
 
Or better yet we just ignore all this exotale scene 8 alternate timeline bs since they all have context that's barely equivalent to a grain of sand 💔
 
Last thing I’m saying on this thread
You know what, I throw my hands in the air.
If we Scale Zephyro and Zeroth Power (yes only Zeroth it’s the strongest move, please don’t try to scale every little SoE energy blast to 2-A. The current indexing of SoE as just 2-A is incorrect) this high via UES. Just let it happen. Welt does not scale to Star of Eden Physically.
I don’t like a ton of 2-A chainscaling flying around cause it’s the two colliding together in some sort of fancy opposing reaction between the Authority of Stars and the Path of Destruction. But that concern kinda gets nulled when this is supposed to be UES. The profiles will explain in more detail this is conditional but That energy came from somewhere, so 2-A HI3 cast if they scale to or above HoT if you really push this. Then for Zephyro idk man downscale him from his white hole since he probably ain’t infinities weaker than it

Also similar to Tarzan, I mostly wanted a Welt Downscale to remain. He’s still weaker than Zephyro. So fine with me
Sorry for the yap, I will depart, don’t make this thread 10 pages.
 
Once a conclusion is decided I genuinely think the Exotale Scene 8 stuff needs a discussion rule until further evidence comes up. We're all arguing here off of crumbs, about literally everything.

We all fail to realise the scenario is, at this point in the story, a hypothetical that never happened. Any Welt amp could've happened, Zephyro could be holding back, both of them could've died, Zephyro could've survived. We genuinely just don't know.

It's the closest thing to arguing headcanon. Any given rating should be a possibly, at minimum.
 
Icl I haven’t been following for a bit now since I lost interest. Hate to be a mod but what is the consensus rn
 
SuperNova55555 said:
Icl I haven’t been following for a bit now since I lost interest. Hate to be a mod but what is the consensus rn
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reiner agreed with welt downscaling, i dont know what tier is gonna be but as far as i can see its fight between 2-A or 3-C with conditional 2-A or something similar. yeah scepter and nep3 is another can of worms atp
 
Voidnether said:
Also @Mbpoops, you should be arguing with like with the problems at hand instead of arguing against a nonexistent problem because that's the impression I get in your arguments with Castorice, Welt definitely doesn't scale as in comparable to Zephyro since bro almost died and that we have confirmations that Astral Express turned into Sin Thirsters after and no one's capable of doing this other than Zephyro himself.
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Dude how can you be this dense. We have said multiple times that sin thirsters arent created by self annihilators, they are created from the obsessions of dead pathstriders hell i even sent you the page to read how som thirsters are created you’re just being willfully dense. Youd need extra proof zephyro turned them into sin thirsters which i know you dont have im honestly tired of responding to your ignorance every thread because you know you’re saying stuff thats just incorrect
Voidnether said:
So yeah if anything I propose Welt to scale relatively, and this is already huge given Welt is the weakest Herrscher just above Wendy and that Zephyro is the strongest Lord Ravager narratively described as the most terrifying one.
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2-A hi3 from chapter 5 💔💔💔
 
Also im not sure why “no one backscaling from zephyro so it shouldnt be an issue” is even an argument, it messes up his own scaling we deadass know nothing about this mf and he only shows up in youtube videos and cutscenes why do we just assume he alone can output enough energy to nuke the universe when thats never shown? Unlike silverwolf 999 who has visual feats of affecting the universe
 
Wait actually ykw i agree with 2-A zephyro and SoE because i just thought of something insanely funny
 
Mbpoops said:
I mean all it does is make everyone in hi3 2-A till chapter 26
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I see. If it doesn't contradict the plot or something similar, then that should be alright. If there are other issues, like a highly weak **** holding his own against Zephyro for a short while, then that can be treated as an outlier if it contradicts the plot. A strict standard can instead be set where direct plot relevance and statements are required for characters to be considered comparable to Zephyro, rather than relying on PIS fight scenes. But that would be required only if it contradicts the plot.
 
Reiner04 said:
I see. If it doesn't contradict the plot or something similar, then that should be alright. If there are other issues, like a highly weak **** holding his own against Zephyro for a short while, then that can be treated as an outlier if it contradicts the plot. A strict standard can instead be set where direct plot relevance and statements are required for characters to be considered comparable to Zephyro, rather than relying on PIS fight scenes. But that would be required only if it contradicts the plot.
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It doesnt really its just funky and i dont like 2-A theres no fights but it diesnt contradict the plot ig until zephyro gets jobbed in 6.4 but some random turtle
 
Reiner04 said:
I see. If it doesn't contradict the plot or something similar, then that should be alright. If there are other issues, like a highly weak **** holding his own against Zephyro for a short while, then that can be treated as an outlier if it contradicts the plot. A strict standard can instead be set where direct plot relevance and statements are required for characters to be considered comparable to Zephyro, rather than relying on PIS fight scenes. But that would be required only if it contradicts the plot.
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Narrative Scaling on HI3 especially doesn't exist because mfs post Part 1 (Chapter 35) glazes characters who could destroy a bubble world that's the sized of a continent, heck I'm sure they said they weren't even sure if Herrschers are even able to destroy continents or not so yeah the plot is buns especially if we have Planarcadia glazing mountain level mfs and unironically putting people who could destroy continent as the most dangerous threat (when we literally fought Irontomb that destroyed the entire multiverse after its birth just minutes before going to Planarcadia for vacation)

Mind you, HSR had more destructive capacity feats in terms of Zephyro casually ramming 4 planets, Lord Ravagers incinerating entire galaxies and Zephyro destroying the Tia'nua galaxy and him being able to casually cause a Supernova and many more intergalactic feats until it's just characters like Irontomb being able to nuke the multiverse including Zephyro who could do the same in the fight against Welt. Cyrene & Stelle freezing the multiverse, Silver Wolf shaking the multiverse. Also HI3 is genuinely cooked destructive capacity wise since it has zero intergalactic feats (and that either you argue they scale to High 1-C or they're literal Tier 4)

I propose scaling based on feats and chainscaling instead of the narrative LMFAO
 
Voidnether said:
Narrative Scaling on HI3 especially doesn't exist because mfs post Part 1 (Chapter 35) glazes characters who could destroy a bubble world that's the sized of a continent, heck I'm sure they said they weren't even sure if Herrschers are even able to destroy continents or not so yeah the plot is buns especially if we have Planarcadia glazing mountain level mfs and unironically putting people who could destroy continent as the most dangerous threat (when we literally fought Irontomb that destroyed the entire multiverse after its birth just minutes before going to Planarcadia for vacation)

Mind you, HSR had more destructive capacity feats in terms of Zephyro casually ramming 4 planets, Lord Ravagers incinerating entire galaxies and Zephyro destroying the Tia'nua galaxy and him being able to casually cause a Supernova and many more intergalactic feats until it's just characters like Irontomb being able to nuke the multiverse including Zephyro who could do the same in the fight against Welt. Cyrene & Stelle freezing the multiverse, Silver Wolf shaking the multiverse. Also HI3 is genuinely cooked destructive capacity wise since it has zero intergalactic feats (and that either you argue they scale to High 1-C or they're literal Tier 4)

I propose scaling based on feats and chainscaling instead of the narrative LMFAO
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nether, did you know that the chainscaling you have is literally based on the narrative too
and like whatever u have written abt hi3 and hsr chars glazing lower tier feats get contradicted because they perform higher feats anyway
literally how we got herrschers getting glazed for continental feats just for welt to slime out planet lvl beast and then do this later on did you just write this for shit or?
 
PedjaTarzan said:
nether, did you know that the chainscaling you have is literally based on the narrative too
and like whatever u have written abt hi3 and hsr chars glazing lower tier feats get contradicted because they perform higher feats anyway
literally how we got herrschers getting glazed for continental feats just for welt to slime out planet lvl beast and then do this later on did you just write this for shit or?
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The problem is that the narrative and how its portrayed is clearly bullshit when the feats consistently contradicts them, that's why we have people thinking Honkai caps to tier 6 for the most asinine reasoning being the narrative itself that glazes continent level shit
 
God forbid a practice where people only scales shit based on the narrative and completely ignores the feats altogether for being "PIS" since it goes against their continent level agenda, this shit happens on both of their official discord SERVERS on the LORE CHANNEL
 
Voidnether said:
The problem is that the narrative and how its portrayed is clearly bullshit when the feats consistently contradicts them, that's why we have people thinking Honkai caps to tier 6 for the most asinine reasoning being the narrative itself that glazes continent level shit
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You do realize currently the narrative im hsr is that sparxie is city level… fulwish was only a planetary threat but not in a destructive way she was just gonna corrupt everyone on planarcadia..
 
Mbpoops said:
You do realize currently the narrative im hsr is that sparxie is city level… fulwish was only a planetary threat but not in a destructive way she was just gonna corrupt everyone on planarcadia..
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Yeah which is why chainscaling + feats works better than relying on narratives LMFAO, it's that ass
 
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