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Murder drones CRT: major revisions

Moon_Crasher said:
Teleportation is commonly represented as leaving afterimages (or some other kind of residue) in fiction, when Uzi blitzed N it was portrayed as leaving a trail behind, this did not happen with Doll and Cyn in those scenes.
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Not really pointing about Distructive capabilities but by the fact that it's more like a travel rather than actual teleportion as it showed here , it doesn't showed projections neither similar the glitching sounds after their projections.
Moon_Crasher said:
This scene might be a better example, it shows Doll teleporting around and through people, if she was moving fast/just projecting around in those scenes, the drones would've been pushed around/knocked over.
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Not really, if you're slowing it down , you can see that she teleporting only at beginning of the scene and then creating a projections of her , also she was never close to any of the worker drones if you're actually slowed it down.
Moon_Crasher said:
Doll specifically killed the prom queen candidates for her plan to kill V, it was different from her other kills.
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Problem is that this could be even before plot episode since we don't know when it's started. (However, I don't see any of actual reasons for Uzi to stay outside of the bunkers for a months)
Moon_Crasher said:
Also, Kelsey Day's death happened recently and was listed on May while episode 4 takes place on Copper-9's 13th month, showing a semi-clear timeframe.
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Should you show it please?
 
Soul80 said:
Not really pointing about Distructive capabilities but by the fact that it's more like a travel rather than actual teleportion as it showed here , it doesn't showed projections neither similar the glitching sounds after their projections.

Not really, if you're slowing it down , you can see that she teleporting only at beginning of the scene and then creating a projections of her , also she was never close to any of the worker drones if you're actually slowed it down.

Problem is that this could be even before plot episode since we don't know when it's started. (However, I don't see any of actual reasons for Uzi to stay outside of the bunkers for a months)

Should you show it please?
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Her plan to kill V involved having Lizzy befriend and meet V which could've only happened after episode 2 because V was in chains until the very end of that episode.

Kelsey Day's (the girl Doll killed at the start of ep 3) missing poster is shown here and we see a janitor cleaning the oil she left behind implying it was recent.
 
Moon_Crasher said:
Her plan to kill V involved having Lizzy befriend and meet V which could've only happened after episode 2 because V was in chains until the very end of that episode.
Kelsey Day's (the girl Doll killed at the start of ep 3) missing poster is shown here and we see a janitor cleaning the oil she left behind implying it was recent.
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Yeah but the other kills can be just related to the lack of oil so she wouldn't overheat.

I can be agree Kelsey death but I don't think that other kill counts should be really related to her planes (Uzi started overheating after a few days without oil in episode 4 )
 
Soul80 said:
Yeah but the other kills can be just related to the lack of oil so she wouldn't overheat.

I can be agree Kelsey death but I don't think that other kill counts should be really related to her planes (Uzi started overheating after a few days without oil in episode 4 )
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Doll had a list showing all the prom queen candidates' names crossed out, showing she wanted to kill them specifically for her plan.

There's no evidence for it only taking a couple of days for Uzi to overheat, since we have no frame of reference without using the posters and Copper-9's 13th month.
 
Moon_Crasher said:
Doll had a list showing all the prom queen candidates' names crossed out, showing she wanted to kill them specifically for her plan.

There's no evidence for it only taking a couple of days for Uzi to overheat, since we have no frame of reference without using the posters and Copper-9's 13th month.
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Also, if it only takes a few days to overheat and solver users need massive amounts of oil near constantly, and Doll's had the solver for likely years, there would be way more bodies in Doll's house and the bunker would've run out of drones. N, V, and J likely would've overheated as well before the series even started if the timeframe for overheating was that short.
 
Regardless, Doll can't teleport that far because she couldn't teleport out of Cabin Fever labs when Cyn attacked her. The labs are around over 100 meters in terms of depth based on the scenes of "Tessa" jumping down the hole and getting caught by N in episode 6 and the elevator falling down in episode 7. If Doll could teleport over 4,000 km in a single go, she would've escaped pretty easy (until Cyn just teleports to the surface and kills Doll anyways but Doll thought it was Tessa at the time, so she'd have no reason to believe Tessa could catch her if she just teleported back to the surface which Doll clearly can't do as I've explained).
 
Soul80 said:
Yeah but the other kills can be just related to the lack of oil so she wouldn't overheat.

I can be agree Kelsey death but I don't think that other kill counts should be really related to her planes (Uzi started overheating after a few days without oil in episode 4 )
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Also, the missing posters show month long gaps between them, clearly showing it takes longer than a few days to overheat if Doll really did just kill them for their oil. Unless there were other kills besides those posters.
 
I think it'll be better if we just let staff decide whether Doll can teleport over 4,000 km or not. (I gotta start working on that list of intelligence/skill feats too).
 
Kirua29 said:
Life manipulation - biological manipulation:
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Analytical prediction for Uzi:
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Agreed
Kirua29 said:
Madness manipulation - memory manipulation - info type 1:
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Is there actual evidence for the solver injecting her with information, besides the conclusion? We know in general that the solver is capable of providing information. (holograms, or straight up making characters perceive events)
Kirua29 said:
Self-perception amplification for all main cast:
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The comic part seems a bit of a gag to take seriously, while the clips just seem to be speed feats.
Kirua29 said:
Regeneration negation (mid):
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Kirua29 said:
Info analysis - Enhanced Vision:
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Agreed
Kirua29 said:
Projection creations:
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Pretty sure those are put under Illusion creation, as no specific ability exists
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Uzi
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Cyn
Kirua29 said:
Upgrade resistance to temperature manipulation:
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Agreed
Kirua29 said:
Resistance to power nullification for Cyn and Uzi:
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Cyn should get it for using it in Uzi's body, but why would Uzi get it? She was incapable of properly using her solver at all, even failing to stop Alice from breaking her finger.
Kirua29 said:
Range upgrade for Doll:
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Considering the argument here for it, I'll remain as neutral.
Kirua29 said:
Intelligence upgrades:
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Not that familiar with intelligence here, so I won't comment.
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Review of their weaknesses:
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Agreed
 
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Mythic381 said:
Agreed

Is there actual evidence for the solver injecting her with information, besides the conclusion? We know in general that the solver is capable providing information. (holograms, or straight up making characters perceive events)

The comic part seems a bit of a gag to take seriously, while the clips just seem to be speed feats.


Agreed

Pretty sure those are put under Illusion creation, as no specific ability exists

Uzi

Cyn

Agreed

Cyn should get it for using it in Uzi's body, but why would Uzi get it? She was incapable of properly using her solver at all, even failing to stop Alice from breaking her finger.

Considering the argument here for it, I'll remain as neutral.

Not that familiar with intelligence here, so I won't comment.

Agreed
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Maybe you can go over the list of intelligence/skill feats I'm about to post?
 
Here's that list I mentioned earlier showing various showings of intelligence/skill across the series:

Regular worker drones are able to band together on a destroyed planet to rework a machine made to create them to make children for them instead (This should scale to drones created before the core collapse like N, V, and J in the manor).

A memoryless N, who seemingly wasn’t fully conscious at the time, was able to just barely land a spaceship upright when it was crashing headfirst towards the ground.

N as a worker drone, was able to balance and catch several plates and wine glasses on a tray semi-easily.

J was able to successfully trick and manipulate N for roughly 20 years (age of oldest post core collapse drone shown here) into thinking that they were working for JcJenson.

N can make a precise throw with a ninja star around Thad’s head, in a dark room, to cut one of Eldritch J’s tentacles.

Uzi can run up to a ninja star after it was thrown, jump up, kick it, and redirect with it enough precision that it cuts down Eldritch J’s tentacles that were holding Thad up.

N was able to sneak around Eldritch J and go through the ceiling to cut several parts of it.

N is able to flip around while blocking attacks from Eldritch J

V was able to deceive N into believing she was still chained up for a period of several months, and snuck out likely many times to hang out with Lizzy. (from January 7th to May 25th).

Uzi was able to quickly set up several discarded mirrors and use them as stairs to escape through a vent before Doll could walk into the room.

N can intercept and kick away a fan thrown by Doll.

Uzi is shown to be able to block, kick, and catch Doll’s knives consistently.

N is able to shoot five bullseyes in row with incredible ease, without even using his vision enhancing optics. (This is already acknowledged on the drone physiology page but noting it directly under N’s profile might make his skill clearer).

V can catch a bullet with just the tips of her claw without even looking directly at it.

Cyn can casually catch a knife thrown behind her without even looking at it, while wearing a somewhat restrictive space suit.

Uzi can do this.

V’s Sentinel can block a missile with its tail and slice bullets.

Uzi can catch and even prime her railgun with just her tail.

Uzi can catch her railgun and use it as a bat to hit J’s head at Cyn.

N can intercept a missile and redirect back to Cyn with a kick.

Cyn can catch her own severed head, reattach it, set it back into place, and dodge an attack from N while doing all this.

Uzi while tripping, was able to regain her balance and turn around in time to predict Cyn's teleport.
 
About the whole Cyn and Doll projecting thing, it's shown when Cyn projects the light is blue, meaning she's either using teleportation or some form of super speed ig.
 
RealDuker98 said:
Ep 5 confirms what year MD takes place.

That is literally impossible.

Also why are we arguing the time between ep 3 and 4 when we know Doll tps to cabin fever labs within the same ep.
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Ep 3 confirms the year it takes place (3071).

There's no reason to assume Doll instantly teleported there.
 
RealDuker98 said:
Ok but she still teleported in episode 5 and reached there within the same episode. So Ep 3 and 4 discussion is just incorrect.
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Do you mean these scenes? There is still a cut in between them and her not teleporting above ground in ep 7 is a pretty big anti feat. Ep7 also shows that Nori and Cyn can physically travel to the planet's core, so it's more likely Doll just teleported out of the bunker and traveled there with a combination of physical movement and teleporting.

Also, Uzi, N, and V were able to track Doll too, meaning it's unlikely Doll just teleported there instantly. (Uzi, N, and V only went searching for Doll after she left meaning the bunker, finding Doll after they finished the whole memory restoring makes it even more unlikely Doll got there in one go).

N also struggled tracking Uzi when she teleported here too (This was before she had wings, so she likely teleported in this scene).
 
Moon_Crasher said:
There is still a cut in between them
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And it would make more sense for her to directly teleport there. Her physical movements and afterimage thingy isn't quick enough for me to buy that she actually used that instead of directly teleporting.
Moon_Crasher said:
not teleporting above ground in ep 7 is a pretty big anti feat.
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No not really? If Cyn negating Doll's regen is a possibility then so is her negating the tp + Doll could have simply not have thought of that at the moment due to getting caught off guard.
Moon_Crasher said:
Also, Uzi, N, and V were able to track Doll too, meaning it's unlikely Doll just teleported there instantly. (Uzi, N, and V only went searching for Doll after she left meaning the bunker, finding Doll after they finished the whole memory restoring makes it even more unlikely Doll got there in one go).

N also struggled tracking Uzi when she teleported here too (This was before she had wings, so she likely teleported in this scene).
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2 different situations. We don't know how they managed to track her + Uzi is a tech master, I can see her easily tracking one of the WDs.
 
RealDuker98 said:
No not really? If Cyn negating Doll's regen is a possibility then so is her negating the tp + Doll could have simply not have thought of that at the moment due to getting caught off guard.
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How did Doll get here then? (Notice that Cyn came from the door, yet Doll was walking from the other side of the cathedral)
 
I guess even if it did take Doll multiple teleports, it'd still be like well above hundreds of kilometers in range.

What about Cyn using her tentacles to go to space instead of teleporting after Uzi threw the NULL at her?
 
Moon_Crasher said:
How did Doll get here then? (Notice that Cyn came from the door, yet Doll was walking from the other side of the cathedral)
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Cyn simply could have things to do before(like how she got rid of the solver records).
Moon_Crasher said:
Also, wouldn't N and V have to physically travel there too?
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No? Uzi could teleport them too...
Moon_Crasher said:
What about Cyn using her tentacles to go to space instead of teleporting after Uzi threw the NULL at her?
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Reason: Aura farming.
 
Mythic381 said:
Is there actual evidence for the solver injecting her with information, besides the conclusion? We know in general that the solver is capable of providing information. (holograms, or straight up making characters perceive events)
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I mean it makes the most logical sense in this situation(so falls under Occam's Razor). Also wouldn't it still be madness manip?
Mythic381 said:
The comic part seems a bit of a gag to take seriously, while the clips just seem to be speed feats.
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I don't see how this counts as a "gag" + I don't think them just randomly perception blitzing each other would make much sense and it seems pretty consistent.
Mythic381 said:
Cyn should get it for using it in Uzi's body, but why would Uzi get it? She was incapable of properly using her solver at all, even failing to stop Alice from breaking her finger.
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Because she could still regenerate her finger which is done via the AbsoluteSolver as explained in Ep 4.
 
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