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Tartaglia [0] vs [8] Agatsuma Zenitsu
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Yeah that's grace
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Nah lowkey can't see Zenitsu losing this especially with access to the Thunder God stuff. Voting Zenistu FRA
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Sanji's son FRA
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I'll vote for Childe. The Foul Legacy transformation is instant, and Childe has been shown using it directly when facing the ruin guard. When Childe is serious in battle, he will immediately use the Foul Legacy.
The Foul Legacy's speed will be far superior to Zenitsu.
And about abyss energy, Normal humans will immediately would not last if exposed to even a brief one minute
The Foul Legacy's speed will be far superior to Zenitsu.
And about abyss energy, Normal humans will immediately would not last if exposed to even a brief one minute
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Correcting here. It won’t. Childe’s Liyue key doesn’t list the amp for foul legacy
It’s only the Fontaine key where foul legacy takes him from Supersonic to Relativistic
So since Zenitsu has 10x speed amps and lots of different higher ratings for speed. He’s faster anyway.
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"Foul Legacy's speed will be far superior to Zenitsu"
Liyue Chapter key
Speed: Supersonic (Kept up with the Liyue Traveler and easily escaped from them at the end of their fight[4]. Capable of reacting to his own movements when transforming into electricity[Statistics Values 2])
Uhuh. Unspecified higher speed boost.
Good thing Zenitsu is Superhuman and can blitz him
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albeit she was holding back[5][Statistics Values 3]), At most Relativistic in Foul Legacy (Likely faster than the All Devouring Narwhal)
having no resistance to sub abilities the abyss energy will be useless
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Thats Fontaine Chapter key broskie we're using Liyue Chapter key
is that why it takes a whole ass minute to kill a normal human
. Broskie hes dead via 7th form before that happens
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aaahh my bad, apparently OP included the Liyue chapter key. Okay, I chose Zenitsu
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if you don't have resistance to the abyss energy sub-ability, you won't surviveis that why it takes a whole ass minute to kill a normal human
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But, the speed advantage is very beneficial here, because Zenitsu can blizt Childe in less than 1 minuteis that why it takes a whole ass minute to kill a normal human
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My goat
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Pretty sure Low 7-C to Low 7-B isn't a big difference
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Tartaglia was scaling to 15 Kilotons
Now its 5.18 megatons, thats as twice as Muzan
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Switch it to Yoriichi and he still blitz one shots
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Last time i check u need a 7.5 times ap gap in ur favor to one shot, not a 2 times disadvantage
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Yoriichi upscales the hell out of his value alongside amps. The Low 7-B value originates from Upper Moon 3
Also he one shots because he uses a sword.
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Unquantificable amp, so for a forum disscusion would still be consider 2.9 Megatons
"Because he has a sword" thats the only argument u can pull up to state the top tier of KnY is oneshotting Tartaglia? Because if its for that same reason, Childe is adept with all weapons except Bows, so yeah its a oneshot on his favor
GG ig
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Doesnt matter. The upscaling is high with Yoriichi. A crippled Kokushibo with his blood siphoned still upscales his value and tanked an attack by a Low 7-B with a massive spiked chain ball and another Low 7-B with a sword at the same time without being decapitated. A Yoriichi dying of old age can one shot decapitate a Prime Kokushibo and Yoriichi in his 20s can also one Prime Muzan.
You can still surpass a character’s value by upscaling and I can send numerous matchups like this (Deku was literally capable of one shotting and completely obliterating Orochi leaving nothing left despite only having a 2x ap advantage if you only go off of profile values alone due to upscale)
This doesn’t really mean anything at all when Yoriichi far exceeds him in sword specifically as has done similar stuff but at like 7 years old instead.
Also Tartaglia literally jobbed to Zenitsu who uses a sword so no.
None of this prevents him from being blitzed into a decapitation because sword damage is slashing damage, not blunt force attack.
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Are we actually debating Yorrichi vs Childe like the skillstomp wouldn’t be so bad that we’d close the thread
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Like I’m so serious even Giyu would be too much for Childe why is Yorichi’s name being tossed around here.
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All this for 2.9 Megatons
You have any evidence or just spelling random things?
This match hasnt concluded since the threath is still open.
Childe has a 178 times Ap advantage over Zenitsu as of right now, its clearly a stomp on Childe's favor
I'll repeat it for the second time: do you have any evidence that having a sword would give him the victory (besides the fact that you're using this argument as if Tartaglia didn't have any slashing weapons or was weak against them)? Do you have any evidence that swords can cut through characters 100 times stronger (because that's the minimum gap between Zenitsu and Tartaglia)? Because if not, you're simply spouting a no-limit fallacy.
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Go make a staff thread to remove any and all sort of contexts or upscaling. Otherwise, this is irrelevant and that no one cares.
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Jack broskie is asking for it
It doesn't matter. The grace concluded a day ago. The winner of this specific match was Zenitsu and he jobbed to a sword.
Speed blitz into a decapitation? A sword inflicts SLASHING damage. You'd need a way stronger durability to withstand an instant decapitation.
No one cares if Tartaglia uses a sword because
1. Yoriichi is far superior with a sword than he his
2. This isn't even the point being made and is completely irrelevant. No one cares if he can use a sword. The argument is the fact is that he doesn't have the durability to withstand being decapitated from slashing damage
Wtf. I never argued this for Zenitsu
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I just realized it was actually 7-C vs Low 7-B and the keys used were Post-Hashira Training key, the previous key literally had Accelerated Development (Reactive Power Level) that justifies him going from Low 7-C to 7-C because of said Accelerated Development going by the profiles, I think this can still be added given the difference is only 178x. Not to mention Zenitsu has the speed advantage so Childe one-shotting Zenitsu is impossible and that Zenitsu has the chance to kill Childe through AD. Childe doesn't have experience against opponents that excel in terms or speed since like I said Childe's main wincon is AP & Stamina and Zenitsu being Speed. Since it's not several tiers apart, I think this is justifiable in a sense. If it's several tiers then yeah Childe would win ngl, AP & Stamina of like 1/3 months capable of fighting the Narwhal is crazy
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Nether. The grace concluded a day ago
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WtfNether. The grace concluded a day ago
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Match ended Wednesday. Broskie got buffed friday
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This was requested to be closed, and seems concluded. Any objections?
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I already added it to both of their profiles. I don't think the gap is that massive especially when Childe can't one-shot Zenitsu since Zenitsu excels in terms of speed and has Accelerated Development to match the 178x gap. I think both parties could resolve this in dms if they still have any objections, but for now no probably
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If it's already added to their pages... The fact they're now different Tiers does make it an issue, and 178 times AP gap is beyond a oneshot.
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Well, 7-C and Low 7-B isn't that big of a tier gap and not to mention Childe can't tag Zenitsu due to the speed difference, I mean even if it's speed equalized. I remember an argument that it's still possible for the faster character to amplify himself against the slower character, whilst the opposite wouldn't be possible
Zenitsu has AD to close the AP gap imo
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It's not technically out of the question, but it's still a different Tier.
A slower character is already the one benefiting from speed being equalised, so they can't use a speed amp that would give them a speed advantage against a character who would be faster if speed wasn't equalised.
In short, a supersonic character can't speedblitz a massively hypersonic character via a times 10 speed amp and speed being equalised.
Enough to close a X178 AP gap?
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Yeah the original match is concluded. The issue is that the added match is just outdated. Other than that this thread is concluded due to grace period ending Wednesday
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I guess if they're already added we can close this and then someone can remake the thread if they want to remove it. Voidnether has suggested AD as a possible wincon despite the upgrade.
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That’s just him glazing the AD. Bro is not Garou
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I mean Zenitsu jumped from Low 7-C to 7-C because of the Accelerated Development, from the justifications itself on the previous key
I think it's possible, but yeah this could be closed and someone requesting this removed because it's outdated or there are any arguments on why Zenitsu would lose to the AP gap then yeah
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Mfw according to the justifications mf could jump from Low 7-C to 7-C somehow, change that broThat’s just him glazing the AD. Bro is not Garou
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