Madness Combat -- No more Attack Reflection

[DaReaperMan]

Can you genuinely stop being an ass for once, man? You immediately came into this thread extremely condescending for no good reason and acting like you wasted your time on a thread you made the decision to read despite having no evaluation rights and no obligation to comment. As a friend, please make an effort to get your act together, it's legitimately annoying.

Fair enough, if I came off that way I do apologize.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm not sure if you think that means "deflecting with some form of an action," but it doesn't support what you're saying.

Yeah, with some sort of action. Like moving/swinging a sword. If you'd like another example, Genji from Overwatch.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Yeah, with some sort of action. Like moving/swinging a sword. If you'd like another example, Genji from Overwatch.

That's what it would mean if it said "some form of deflecting action" or "deflecting with some form of action," but it's only talking about deflecting an action that another character does with your ability.

Fair enough, if I came off that way I do apologize.

It's fine. I think I'm a little stupid. I don't know if it's right, really.

 

[azontr]

I think this is ultimately an issue with the wording of the Attack Reflection page itself which evidently requires more clarification if it's as up to interpretation as this.

 

[AthelChan]

Can you genuinely stop being an ass for once, man? You immediately came into this thread extremely condescending for no good reason and acting like you wasted your time on a thread you made the decision to read despite having no evaluation rights and no obligation to comment. As a friend, please make an effort to get your act together, it's legitimately annoying.

I, for one, partially agree and disagree with this thread. I would personally list this as Limited Attack Reflection rather than full-on due to the technique-based nature of the feats.

agreed on limited based on the context (i think madness combat is a cool series to watch on youtube now that i realized it. I didnt really paid attention to when there was 6 episodes available at the time)

 

[DaReaperMan]

That's what it would mean if it said "some form of deflecting action" or "deflecting with some form of action," but it's only talking about deflecting an action that another character does with your ability.

...like shooting a gun. Or firing a cannon. Not everything needs to be a reflection barrier or Meliodas' full counter to qualify.

It's fine. I think I'm a little stupid. I don't know if it's right, really.

I mean I can see where the misinterpretation can come from, I'm just surprised to see it here.

 

[Comiphorous]

...like shooting a gun. Or firing a cannon. Not everything needs to be a reflection barrier or Meliodas' full counter to qualify.

The link is broken

 

[DaReaperMan]

The link is broken

Eh, I sorta expected it to be. I linked Po's attack reflection.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

See? We were all ultimately in agreement the whole time! D'awww, you guys, let's hug.



But yeah, this just boils down to the wording on the Attack Reflection page needing to be revised to more certainly include stuff like sword-parrying bullets. Nothin' more to it.

 

[Randomuser3412]

I think this is ultimately an issue with the wording of the Attack Reflection page itself which evidently requires more clarification if it's as up to interpretation as this.

agreed on limited based on the context (i think madness combat is a cool series to watch on youtube now that i realized it. I didnt really paid attention to when there was 6 episodes available at the time)

Should I put you in agree or disagree (specifying you think it should be limited, of course), or add a new voting thingie

...like shooting a gun. Or firing a cannon. Not everything needs to be a reflection barrier or Meliodas' full counter to qualify.

...What? How is that even a counteragument?

 

[DaReaperMan]

...What? How is that even a counteragument?

If you shoot a gun you're taking an action. If someone deflects that bullet they're taking a reflective/deflecting action.

 

[azontr]

Should I put you in agree or disagree (specifying you think it should be limited, of course), or add a new voting thingie

I suppose it's redundant, but I guess I'm neutral. I really think this issue stems less from the verse and more from the wording of the Attack Reflection page which should be handled in a different thread.

 

[Randomuser3412]

If you shoot a gun you're taking an action. If someone deflects that bullet they're taking a reflective/deflecting action.

Yeah. And the quote you were talking about was clearly mentioning the attacking action instead of the defending one. This doesn't even help your point either way.

 

[AthelChan]

Should I put you in agree or disagree (specifying you think it should be limited, of course), or add a new voting thingie

this is neutral imo, i've read attack reflection page and allat is missing

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

Alright, if that's the best thing to do, I can go ahead & make a new thread (without unnecessary baggage) proposing the Attack Reflection page be improved instead of dragging out the slugfest here. "Content Revision" should be the board to do make the new thread in, right?

 

[azontr]

Alright, if that's the best thing to do, I can go ahead & make a new thread (without unnecessary baggage) proposing the Attack Reflection page be improved instead of dragging out the slugfest here. "Content Revision" should be the board to do make the new thread in, right?

Nah. Need to ask a staff member permission to make a staff thread, since that's where policy/ability page changes are done.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

Ok, if it needs to be a staff thread, would you prefer to make it, Reaper? If you're too busy, that's fine; I can just type up a draft & ask someone else.

 

[Randomuser3412]

All right, so we can maybe get something conclusive from this thread. Most of the talk here has been about Jesus and Hank's Attack Reflection. What its everyone's thoughts on the A.T.P. Soldat's going for making projectiles bounce off with an unmoving riot shield

 

[Randomuser3412]

Ok, if it needs to be a staff thread, would you prefer to make it, Reaper? If you're too busy, that's fine; I can just type up a draft & ask someone else.

That's technically not what this thread is about -- but if someone wanted to make a thread clarifying the usage of technique-based projectile deflection on the Attack Reflection page that would be good.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

All right, so we can maybe get something conclusive from this thread. Most of the talk here has been about Jesus and Hank's Attack Reflection. What its everyone's thoughts on the A.T.P. Soldat's going for making projectiles bounce off with an unmoving riot shield

Jesus & Hank are fine as they are, but I'm fine with removing Soldat's for being just a shield doing shield things or keeping it since not every shield ricochets bullets as opposed to just having them lodge in the shield. Not a big deal either way.

 

[Randomuser3412]

since not every shield ricochets bullets as opposed to just having them lodge in the shield. Not a big deal either way.

Madness Combat seems to have very bouncy bullets

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

Madness Combat seems to have very bouncy bullets

It isn't as if the bullets bounced off balsa wood. It was a hard metal shield.

Anyway, this thread is moot, I will see about correcting the Attack Reflection page if no one beats me to the punch in a few minutes.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

Ok, I have written a draft & DMed a staff member to resolve the problems with the Attack Reflection page. Should have a proper thread on the subject going in less than a day from now.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I was told by a staff member in one of my CRTS that attack reflection is gonna be changed to a supernatural ability of sorts..

But uh, until then, i disagree with the CRT

 

[XxZetsuxX]

This is just fighting skill, not real super power, also Attack Reflecting is getting revised that "reflect" attacks that not via direct supernatural power will not count

By Vietthai96

 

[Vietthai96]

Yeah, this is just skill/intelligence feat, attack reflection now should be strictly direct reflection/deflection without involving any other means, if it involving additional step in order to achieve the reflection effect then it is not reflection

 

[Randomuser3412]

Yeah, this is just skill/intelligence feat, attack reflection now should be strictly direct reflection/deflection without involving any other means, if it involving additional step in order to achieve the reflection effect then it is not reflection

Yeah, that's what I came out with from reading the page itself. I should count you as agree on this?

 

[Comiphorous]

Yeah, this is just skill/intelligence feat, attack reflection now should be strictly direct reflection/deflection without involving any other means, if it involving additional step in order to achieve the reflection effect then it is not reflection

The page hasn't changed in any meaningful way in three months. What exactly are you referring to when you say 'now'? The only changes currently being worked on for that page is due to this very thread in this first place.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

Yeah, this is just skill/intelligence feat, attack reflection now should be strictly direct reflection/deflection without involving any other means, if it involving additional step in order to achieve the reflection effect then it is not reflection

"I recognize that the trait of this action is to reflect attacks but I would NEVER EVER call it Attack Reflection"

Yeah, you guys should make the ability page make more sense, then. Either with a common-sense definition or this bizarre "reflecting attacks through labelled-on-the-box means only" definition.