The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Antvasima]

Well, if Demogoblin (who is equal to Spider-Man) was Moon Knight's only power source at the time, we have to consider it an enormous outlier, or the opponent as being a glass cannon.

Also, Franklin was not considered to be nearly as powerful back then.

 

[Eseseso]

Well, if Demogoblin (who is equal to Spider-Man) was Moon Knight's only power source at the time, we have to consider it an enormous outlier, or the opponent as being a glass cannon.

Also, Franklin was not considered to be nearly as powerful back then.

I'll let the MK boys handle this one, I don't know as much except the scaling in the feats provided.

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody link to the relevant Moon Knight thread please?

 

[MrKerf]

Can somebody link to the relevant Moon Knight thread please?

You mean this one?

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Osemere]

Shouldn’t Doom’s Sorcerer Supreme key be 1-A?

 

[Rgerdeena]

Shouldn’t Doom’s Sorcerer Supreme key be 1-A?

Dormammu feat was debunked(I personally disagree with the debunk but most people don’t), do you have any other evidence for him being 1-A

 

[Osemere]

Dormammu feat was debunked(I personally disagree with the debunk bust most people don’t), do you have any other evidence for him being 1-A

What’s wrong with the Dormmamu feat? Also I’m plagiarizing, but

His magic in general was beyond anything the Scarlet Witch had ever seen, and this is very consistently noted. Doom beat countless multiversal variants of characters Doom 2099 sent to fight him, including the Phoenix, and no permutation 2099 ever tried worked. Doom then proceeded to fight all of Earth’s strongest heroes and villains at once, still winning and keeping up with everything they did. He mastered Chaos Magic and could nullify the powers of every Mutant on the field, including Storm, the Herald of Eternity. Finally, he directly tanked the combined energy of every hero on the field funneled into Stormbreaker and swung by Thing, mostly just not caring after it happened, and this spell was fueled by some part of the First Firmament.

It also doesn’t make sense for him to be infinitely below what Strange can casually do a lot of the time, or for him to even be an Event Villain put up against basically all superheroes on Earth if he’s only 5-A (if we’re going for a narrative-consistency route).

 

[Rgerdeena]

What’s wrong with the Dormmamu feat? Also I’m plagiarizing, but

Dormammu getting punched in the eye by Captain marvel hurt him in that storyline, and Dormammu beat doom with no eye of aggomotto is mostly the debunk

His magic in general was beyond anything the Scarlet Witch had ever seen, and this is very consistently noted. Doom beat countless multiversal variants of characters Doom 2099 sent to fight him, including the Phoenix, and no permutation 2099 ever tried worked. Doom then proceeded to fight all of Earth’s strongest heroes and villains at once, still winning and keeping up with everything they did. He mastered Chaos Magic and could nullify the powers of every Mutant on the field, including Storm, the Herald of Eternity. Finally, he directly tanked the combined energy of every hero on the field funneled into Stormbreaker and swung by Thing, mostly just not caring after it happened, and this spell was fueled by some part of the First Firmament.

Definition seeems like he could be 1-A

 

[MrKerf]

The problem is - no matter how many feats Doom Supreme has, he ultimately still was below the Vishanti. With whom Wanda can deal with fairly easily. Hell, if you want to go there, in the 8th cosmos the Living Tribunal and Eternity are relative to one another in strength, and Doom isn't stronger than LT. He simply cannot be scaled above Phoenix, nor Wanda, nor Eternity-Storm.

 

[Rgerdeena]

The problem is - no matter how many feats Doom Supreme has, he ultimately still was below the Vishanti. With whom Wanda can deal with fairly easily. Hell, if you want to go there, in the 8th cosmos the Living Tribunal and Eternity are relative to one another in strength, and Doom isn't stronger than LT. He simply cannot be scaled above Phoenix, nor Wanda, nor Eternity-Storm.

Why’s one anti feat of being below the vishanti>then all his other 1-A feats?, not saying your wrong(yet), just confused about where this logic came from

 

[Antvasima]

So has anybody read today's issue of Storm yet? After Storm travelled to a copyright-friendly version of the DC Comics multiverse in her last issue, she now travels to versions of "multiversal clusters" of different stories, including the Cthulhu Mythos, a manga/anime magic nihilism verse, and an early 1990s U.S.-centric ultramilitant warmongering mindless machoverse, before returning to the Marvel Comics multiverse of The One Above All.

Of course, reducing the scale of any tier 0 cosmologies to being confined to pieces of an "omniverse" doesn't fundamentally work with transcendental spiritual logic or our own system. It was just an idea that Mark Gruenwald had that elevated the supposed importance of fiction authors in the larger scheme of things into something beyond regular people who are just sticking idea-constructs into the real world collective unconscious, which in turn is just a small part of all of the higher spiritual and metaphysical structures as far as I currently understand, but my understanding is very limited.

 

[Entity]

manga/anime magic nihilism verse

aka Jujutsu Kaisen. The word nihilism thrown at random because yes

 

[Antvasima]

I think that it was referring to extremely negative, destructive, and pessimistic manga/anime in general. It was a multiverse after all.

 

[Entity]

I think that it was referring to extremely negative, destructive, and pessimistic manga/anime in general. It was a multiverse after all.

It's just a fight that destroyed the city and it clearly shows the Shibuya incident of Jujutsu Kaisen, with Sukuna doing the T-pose of the anime. The extremely negative, destructibe, pessimistic, ultramilitant, warmongering, mindless ara just adjectives you add without even knowing what he is citing

 

[Antvasima]

Again, I thought that he was referring to Japan-centric manga and anime strongly focused on death and magic in general, not Jujutsu Kaisen, especially as Jujutsu Kaisen is not a multiverse story as far as I am aware, but I may be mistaken.

As for my adjectives regarding the machoverse, I stand by that this is what I think that brand of storytelling fundamentally represents.

 

[Entity]

As for my adjectives regarding the machoverse, I stand by that this is what I think that brand of storytelling fundamentally represents.

You do not know what he is citing, you're judging a book by its cover

 

[MrKerf]

Why’s one anti feat of being below the vishanti>then all his other 1-A feats?, not saying your wrong(yet), just confused about where this logic came from

Because unlike the wankfest of the entire event, him being below Vishanti and LT is narratively the most important thing in the comic.

 

[MrKerf]

So has anybody read today's issue of Storm yet?

no

 

[Antvasima]

You do not know what he is citing, you're judging a book by its cover

No, I read the story, but did not know the specific Jujutsu Kaisen reference. That is all. It is nothing to get upset about.

 

[Eseseso]

Honestly, we probably are going to have to split Oyodale's cosmology from the rest of Marvel, because the newest issue just showed how horribly inconsistent it is with the rest of Marvel.

We should probably do what we're currently doing with Demattis until we remerge Demattis with the main cosmology, with the story being canon but not the cosmology.

If anything, Oyodale's cosmology is a much worse divergence from the mainstream.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Yeah, that was straight up JJK being shown in that panel. You can literally see Sukuna floating in the air doing a T-Pose like in his fight with Jogo.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, it seems extremely metaphysicaly and even treats our reality as governed by narrative, rather than that all of our fiction are just memetic structures within the real world collective unconscious.

 

[Antvasima]

Yeah, that was straight up JJK being shown in that panel. You can literally see Sukuna floating in the air doing a T-Pose like in his fight with Jogo.

Well, I have almost not read any Jujutsu Kaisen, so I misread that reference. It is not the end of the world.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Honestly, we probably are going to have to split Oyodale's cosmology from the rest of Marvel, because the newest issue just showed how horribly inconsistent it is with the rest of Marvel.

We should probably do what we're currently doing with Demattis until we remerge Demattis with the main cosmology, with the story being canon but not the cosmology.

If anything, Oyodale's cosmology is a much worse divergence from the mainstream.

Strong agree. Ayodele's take on Marvel as a whole is not remotely consistent with... Pretty much any other author's. It diverges far more than DeMatteis ever did lol

 

[Antvasima]

To be fair, Ayodele just seems to take what the Marvel handbooks and the Marvel wiki say extremely literally in terms of the who idiotic omniverse concept. It is not his fault that Mark Gruenwald attempted to integrate it into Marvel cosmology very long ago, and at least he has some different ideas regarding where to take his stories.

 

[Entity]

He also doesn't read other author's comics, but cites them anyway. For exemple, in this new issue of Storm it is said that Thor killed Zeus in Immortal Thor #14, while Thor never killed him and just depowered him.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Because unlike the wankfest of the entire event, him being below Vishanti and LT is narratively the most important thing in the comic.

Eh, i’ll have to read it before I agree or disagree with you, since I can’t judge how narratively important something is without reading the comic

 

[ObberGobb]

The problem is - no matter how many feats Doom Supreme has, he ultimately still was below the Vishanti. With whom Wanda can deal with fairly easily. Hell, if you want to go there, in the 8th cosmos the Living Tribunal and Eternity are relative to one another in strength, and Doom isn't stronger than LT. He simply cannot be scaled above Phoenix, nor Wanda, nor Eternity-Storm.

Why can't he be above them? Are any of those characters above Multi-Eternity or the Living Tribunal?

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

He also doesn't read other author's comics, but cites them anyway. For exemple, in this new issue of Storm it is said that Thor killed Zeus in Immortal Thor #14, while Thor never killed him and just depowered him.

TBF, if you're depwering a guy whose whole gimmick is being a GOD OF LIGHTNING, he may as well be dead. Especially if Marvel Zeus' personality is anything like OG Greek Zeus'...

 

[Entity]

TBF, if you're depwering a guy whose whole gimmick is being a GOD OF LIGHTNING, he may as well be dead. Especially if Marvel Zeus' personality is anything like OG Greek Zeus'...

The power corrupted his mind, now he is in Athena's hands, who will heal him.
The problem still remains, the narrator of Storm: Earth's mightiest mutant (not a character who could be wrong) says that Thor killed Zeus, when that never happened

 

[Entity]

Why can't he be above them? Are any of

Doom cannot do anything against the Vishanti while Scarlet Witch defeats them

 

[Rgerdeena]

Doom cannot do anything against the Vishanti while Scarlet Witch defeats them

Are you talking about when she one shot oshtur, if you are then to be fair, she had the eye of agomotto so she was stronger then then when doom beat her

 

[MrKerf]

Why can't he be above them? Are any of those characters above Multi-Eternity or the Living Tribunal?

Wh…Yes, what do you meeeean? Wanda defeated the Griever and Vishanti, Phoenix is literally considered equal to abstracts (though Phoenix has… its own problems with scaling)… It’s all in the plot, if the writers wanted, he’d have Doom beating up the One Above All, without batting an eye. But Vishanti? Noooo, they are way too powerful.

 

[Eseseso]

I know she's only had 8 appearances so far, but with her having an impressive amount of feats for her limited screen time, could I make a page for Hexfinder?

Here's the draft blog:

SandboxHex

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[AcidSilver]

 

[MrKerf]

"Hey, hey, I've seen this one. I've seen this one. This is a classic."

"What do you mean, you've seen this? It's brand new."

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I will laugh if it ended being mid

 

[Antvasima]

I tbought that Marvel had already turned very dark overall. But apparently the darkness has to turn extra pitch black awful or something.

 

[Eseseso]

I know she's only had 8 appearances so far, but with her having an impressive amount of feats for her limited screen time, could I make a page for Hexfinder?

Here's the draft blog:

SandboxHex

vsbattles.fandom.com

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