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To be notedCurrently there are 14 votes for the ban and 10 votes against. 4 of the 14 votes for the ban suggest a non-permanent one.
In wiki policy revision threads, bureaucrats have both voting and veto rights. Administrators also have voting rights, and all staff members are welcome to comment in these threads, regardless of whether they have evaluation rights or not.
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what do you think my proposal? Current supporters are fully allowed, new users that aren't older than a month get the 5k message, 2 years barrier? It would be a good way to evade any future socks.I think that only allowing the current reliable supporters, and new supporters with a reasonably high amount of edits to handle the verse seems reasonable.![]()
mmm, 3000 edits 2 years. That's 4 messages a day. Should be more than manageable.Well, 5000 edits may be a bit much, but except for that it seems fine.![]()
could you pink the other admins and bureaucrats that votes here to see if they agree or not?Yes, that seems reasonable.![]()
@LephyrTheRevanchist @Crabwhale @Planck69 @Agnaa @DarkDragonMedeus @SomebodyDataCan you list the ones I should ping please?![]()
what do you think my proposal? Current supporters are fully allowed, new users that aren't older than a month
Yeah sure.mmm, 3000 edits 2 years. That's 4 messages a day. Should be more than manageable.
what do you think my proposal? Current supporters are fully allowed, new users that aren't older than a month get the 5k message, 2 years barrier? It would be a good way to evade any future socks.
Well, 5000 edits may be a bit much, but except for that it seems fine.![]()
So, are messages on the forums and edits in the wiki being treated as the same criterion for this? I am seeing a mention of edits and messages.mmm, 3000 edits 2 years. That's 4 messages a day. Should be more than manageable.
I guess.mmm, 3000 edits 2 years. That's 4 messages a day. Should be more than manageable.
Sorry, that is what I meant. Never thought about edits I'll leave it up to y'all. I'd say put it lower cause even I barely have that much after nearly 8 yearsSorry. I read that as at least 3000 messages for some reason, so that is what I supported above.![]()
I'm against banning this verse, although I have been inactive for months now xdThough this may be a staff thread, I think this discussion warrants the input of the existing Tokyo Revengers supporters to enquire about their perspectives on the matter and what they would do if either verdict was reached. How the verse should be handled will be the judgement of the staff team at the end of the day, but the people most directly interested in indexing the verse should at least be heard out when we are making a decision that principally concerns them. I will invite each of them to make a comment here, with normal constraints.
@DenLitz @CorbinMLG @Whiz_Almighty @MorrisHatesYou @Zefra3011 @Dinozxd @RoggerReggor @Demon_Lord18
Each of you have listed yourselves on the Tokyo Revengers verse page and have linked forum accounts. This discussion is about how to handle the Tokyo Revengers verse going forward, in light of its recent controversies, with arguments being put forward to either allow its continued indexing, to only allow users meeting a certain account age/message count threshold to index the verse, to freeze its indexing for the present moment, or to delete the pages and ban the verse from further discussion. If any of you have thoughts on this matter you'd like to provide, particularly your own view on the matter and the reason for it, I invite you to make a single comment here to share it. Please keep your responses brief if possible, and if you wish to make any follow-up comments, you can contact me or other staff members to request further permissions.
Would work with memmm, 3000 edits 2 years. That's 4 messages a day. Should be more than manageable.
Should have quoted Grath’s comment so that staff members reviewing the thread can see that you’ve been given permission to post as a verse supporter. It would also help if you provide a more detailed opinion, for example, whether there are enough supporters to maintain and update the profiles, and why you believe the verse should be kept rather than deleted. That was probably the intentions of tagging the verse supporters. Edited your comment to Quote Grath's post.I'm against banning this verse, although I have been inactive for months now xd
It mostly sounds good to me, though I would prefer if the first line used more passive voice, like:"Note, due to the repeated rule violating actions taken by some of the supporters of the Tokyo Revengers verse, access to it is restricted to users who have 3000 messages on the wiki, 1000 edits and have used the wiki for 2 years. The exception to this rule are users who have been supporters before the rule was enacted and who were a month older than the CRT that established the restriction (any user that joined after March 25th, 2026 has to abide by the restriction). "
Due to repeated rule violations in relation to the verse, access to Tokyo Revengers (including page editing, CRTs, VS threads, Calculation group threads and more) is restricted to users who have 3000 messages on the wiki, 1000 edits and have used the wiki for 2 years. The exception to this rule are users who have been supporters before the rule was enacted and who were a month older than the CRT that established the restriction (any user that joined after March 25th, 2026 has to abide by the restriction).It mostly sounds good to me, though I would prefer if the first line used more passive voice, like:
"Due to repeated rule violations in relation to the verse".
I remain in stark disagreement to that. 3000 messages and 1000 edits is a perfectly fair requirement to adhere to.I was suggesting 3000 messages and edits combined. Not 3000 forum posts, and 1000 edits.
Not everyone makes edits themselves.I remain in stark disagreement to that. 3000 messages and 1000 edits is a perfectly fair requirement to adhere to.
Well, other admins agree on 3000 messages. We could lower amount of edits but the messages should stay imo. 3000 in 2 years ain't a tall order for someone active.I was suggesting 3000 messages and edits combined. Not 3000 forum posts, and 1000 edits.
Not everyone makes edits themselves.
I have 7,600 messages but only 500 edits.
I am not sold on reducing the edit count.Well, other admins agree on 3000 messages. We could lower amount of edits but the messages should stay imo. 3000 in 2 years ain't a tall order for someone active.
Well, the reason is that I basically always delegate actually applying things to other people, especially since a vast majority of the time I'm evaluating a thread someone else made or for a verse I'm not a supporter of.Well then, better get to pumping up the edits
I don't want people making fluff edits.I am not sold on reducing the edit count.
I mentioned last time that I agreed around 3000 contributions, and I feel like I should clarify that I meant a combination of edits and messages.Due to repeated rule violations in relation to the verse, access to Tokyo Revengers (including page editing, CRTs, VS threads, Calculation group threads and more) is restricted to users who have 3000 messages on the wiki, 1000 edits and have used the wiki for 2 years. The exception to this rule are users who have been supporters before the rule was enacted and who were a month older than the CRT that established the restriction (any user that joined after March 25th, 2026 has to abide by the restriction).
In fact, I even made it a point when I was originally promoted that it was weird because I almost never edited anything.Lephyr has less than 500 edits from after the forum move (before which, every post or edit of a post on the forum was counted as an edit), despite having been active for the vast majority of those 5 years.
There seems to be a miscommunication based on the posts above.Wait hold on a minute, why post count turn into edit count now?. I remember we were talking about post count?
Due to repeated rule violations related to the verse, access to Tokyo Revengers (including page editing, content revision threads, versus threads, calculation group threads, and other activities) has been restricted to users with at least 3,000 contributions (counted as the combined number of edits and messages), and who have been on the wiki for at least two years. An exception is made for users who were already supporters prior to the implementation of this rule and whose accounts were at least one month older than the CRT that established the restriction (Any users who joined after March 25, 2026 are required to comply with this restriction).