StarShooter80
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Why does baby Oliver have a key lmfaoSo an Oliver profile has been made...and of course it's scaling him to Conquest despite Conquest being able to rip him apart by literally flexing
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Invincible Season 4 General Discussion Thread
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This is a recurring problem on the wiki actually, pages get bloated with useless non-combatant keys/stats that nobody reasonable would ever factor into measuring feats.
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I've been wondering, if the calculation of Viltrum destruction is accepted, and whatever the result, would Season 2 Mark and the characters who scale to this version of him downscale from being 1.38x weaker than his Season 3/4 self because of him getting 138% stronger?
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Pretty sure it'd be 2.38x
Given Omni-Man's statement that Mark was already "almost as strong" as him when they met in Thraxa I wouldn't really oppose, though would like to know what other people think because, well, those numbers realistically are not enough to overcome the manhandling Anissa gave to him lol
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Flyers with total body control should move like Webb Spider-Man in the hallway fight with the Lizard. Fluidity moving without any sudden stops.
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So we now have Profiles for Atom Eve, Thula and Oliver but not profiles for characters like Thaedus and Thragg? A bit strange if you asked me
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They REQUIRE season 4 stats, and that shit ain't out yet.
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You say that as if those profiles have good ratings lol
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To be fair, besides the ratings, the rest of the profiles seems pretty good
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So, anynone here knows where exactly Invincible variants scales? Because a good amount of them was killed by fodder who are fodder to main universe Invincible
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Precisely because of that no one knows
Randomuser3412
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They scale to their own feats of how well they did against other characters, because clearly, we can't put a minimum value for them
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They don't even require that much scaling to figure out their exact stats, Thragg upscales everyone so he upscales Invincible's highest stats and Thaeddus is closer but still above Season 4 Mark and Nolan by some margin.
Like for Speed they all just upscale off Nolan's Speed Feat so Massively FTL+ like everyone else, if you wanna be specific then you can also stuff like Thragg speedblitzing Viltrumite Trio with only Thaeddus barely moving a bit whilst Mark and Nolan are still, so they both upscale Season 4 Mark to some degree
For Strength and Durability, Thragg tanked a full power attack from Invincible and overpowered everyone there so his Strength is simple, Thaeddus fought multiple Viltrumites and killed Viltrumites on screen + went relative with others who have Profiles already so just copy paste their stats which would place them around "At least Multi-Continent level" rating since everyone has their scaling there due to the Moon Jumping Feat.
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While they "require" Season 4 Stats, it ain't like there is much we can mention for them since we default to Nolan's feat for Speed every time for every character who is relevant and for Strength the feats link back to Season 2 Invincible who everyone upscales right now. So even if we compile all their stats, their overall scaling is going to be the same as other characters right now
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Patrick Star, is that you? Like they're prepping to boost Viltrumites to High 5-A with supporting feats pal, like 3 tier 5 things happened in Season 4 lmfao
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Atom Eve scales to Multi-Continental+ because of fighting Conquest and Oliver's Profile also has him at Multi-Continental+ because of fighting Conquest... Everyone in the Invincible Verse right now scales because of Start of Season 2 Invincible having a Moon Jumping Feat. So comparing to the rest of the verse rn, they're all still in the same tier
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Oliver's profile needs a rescale seeing as Conquest borderline one-shot him casually and damn near ripped him in half, again, casually. Hell he was about to Red Rush Oliver in season 4 and took zero damage from his punches lmfao
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If you're talking about Viltrum's Destruction, I've heard of the calcs and I know of other calcs like this that can all upscale Viltrumites if approved. So yeah I'm not living under the sea under a rock. But they still would all mostly scale relative to one another, besides I can wait for my goat Thaeddus' profile if it means he join the roster like 3 tiers higher
I can agree with this, Oliver should NOT be scaling from knocking back Conquest due to a Surprise Attack + It simply feels like an Outlier considering Oliver's future performance against the same Conquest afterwards are very much not Conquest Level. If anything the real question becomes is Oliver above or even close to Season 2 Invincible? This is relevant since we have everyone at Multi-Continental+ because of Start of Season 2 Invincible's Moon Jumping Feat.
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In a show where characters can bleed a bit more easily than they probably should at times, I don't think Oliver ever managed to draw any blood from Conquest in either season, and needed to train for quite a while after that to be able to give Nolan a nosebleed.
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That's Season 3?
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First, that feat happens after Season 2. Second, no we don't. Did you gloss over the entire "7-A Titan" discussion ? Besides the imperial viltrumites and the CoP team, the only Multi-Continentals right now are Atom Eve and Kid Oliver, and everyone in this thread knows that's bunk.
We know where they scale
We just want the newer feats to be properly discussed so they have updated stats from the get-go
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Oops, that one's a Viltrumite
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Shouldn't Nolan scale higher than Mark ? Thragg compeletely no sells hits from Mark, but is sent flying by Nolan twice. Also he takes less Damage from Thragg in comparison.
Mark gets dizzy in one jab and coughs blood in a effortless punch, then is slumped. Nolan took full windup punch and is sent flying but the damage itself wasn't significant. Then he took multiple punches without going limp like Mark does.
Mark gets dizzy in one jab and coughs blood in a effortless punch, then is slumped. Nolan took full windup punch and is sent flying but the damage itself wasn't significant. Then he took multiple punches without going limp like Mark does.
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Maybe remove at least?
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Conquest got his back broken by Oliver (or fixed?)
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I was wondering, what End of this calc is the most consistent with the calcs of Viltrum destruction and Sun Disk (if the latter is even scalable to someone)
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Oliver's most straightforward scaling is goring the Maulers (who may or may not be downgraded to 8-C), unless I'm missing something a giving him a clear-cut rating any higher than that is purely vibes-based. Need I remind you all he needed the help of two fodder heroes to high-diff an Invincible variant ? One of these heroes is even below Black Samson
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In fact, Oliver is a good example of this. He is insurmountably weaker than Conquest but still managed to get him off Mark because he took him by surprise, which is what's happening with Thragg and Nolan there. Everything else is just Thragg explicitly taking his time with him
Besides if he was that much stronger than Mark then he would've given Anissa a beatdown as Mark is supposedly already strong enough to beat her, but of course that doesn't happen
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Was scrolling through Oliver's profile and just wanted to mention his Intelligence rating mentions his photographic memory but it isn't listed in P&A. Is that a mistake or is there a reason?
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Someone was talking about before about Invincible VS Earth heroes like Rex-Splode scaling to Viktrumites, only for the game's story mode to basically debunk that idea as they were never fighting actual Viltrumites
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But then that got double debunked
because the Technicians were able to actually replicate a Viltrumite's power anyway
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Only really at the end, and they were only really matched in strength by the geniune Viltrumites and Battle Beast, the other characters only really backing them up, but not really contributing a lot to their defeats
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Nolan does stagger him head on. And it's not like he was doing terrible against Anissa, he was taking her punches without much damage and his own hits sent her flying.
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I don't think it makes sense for oliver to be that low compared to the rest of the coalition. Especially as he can still be somewhat of a hinderence when coming in off-guard I also doubt Maulers get downgraded, haven't seen any good reasons for why that wouldn't chain to various other characters like season 1 Mark.
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Some tidbits from the season 2 artbook:
A little more information on Viltrumite powerscaling:
The visual representation of the scenes from Nolan's books shouldn't be taken too literally:
A little more information on Viltrumite powerscaling:
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Oh yeah nvm, Thanks for correcting me.
I haven't seen the earlier seasons in a while so I forgot. I just remembered us having a Key of Season 2 Invincible at Multi-Continental and forgot the reasoning.
I see I see, I wasn't really here when the "7-A Titan" discussion happened so I have no clue what you're talking about. Last time I checked he was 8-C? Also I thought I mentioned already I can understand why we're waiting so they get the whole updated stats from the get go thing and I can wait as such. Besides I do agree to discuss said feats but overall their stats are mostly around the same, we have Season 4 Feats impacting Strength and Durability but Speed is the same for them all.First, that feat happens after Season 2. Second, no we don't. Did you gloss over the entire "7-A Titan" discussion ? Besides the imperial viltrumites and the CoP team, the only Multi-Continentals right now are Atom Eve and Kid Oliver, and everyone in this thread knows that's bunk.
We know where they scale
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The current justification is that he's stronger than Immortal who's High 6-A for being stronger than Earth's weaponry, which can reach up to 19.63 Petatons. While that is High 6-A it's still lower than S3 mark's moon jump value, which is 56 Petatons
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No, Nolan doesn't stagger him head on at all, Thragg only gets push back when he's distracted, so stop with this dumb argument, Nolan was only "tanking" those punches because Thragg literally says that he's making his dead slow as he was too quick with Thaedus
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Thragg is punching him and Nolan knees him, staggering him. I have linked the scene in my initial post.
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