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Understood. The Thunderbolt feat being at least 6-A seems fine for me.
Thanks for helping. Nice that you reading the series, it's your first time reading it?
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Fist Of The North Star Revision Part 3 (High 6-A Scaling)
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Yeah, I just kinda started it on a whim last week. I'm about 50 chapters from the end.
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Serious question.
I have heard that Kasumi Kenshiro has culinary cooking skills, are there any scans of that in the manga?
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I thought we were using this calc: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...f_The_North_Star_-_Jagi_Nuke_Redux_(2008_ver)
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Don't remember seeing it, but i don't have the best memory.
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That's great, hope you are liking it.
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The same nuke but this calc gave a lower value, although he didn't count the massive cloud dissipation that happens right before we see the nuke from space, i think someone should do a recalc of this scene. Also the crater along with cloud piercing that Thunderbolt made even before its detonation should also have a calc.
I pretty much agree with this. Someone would have to determine the actual size of the city of Hydra though, you'd probably need the raws for that since everything after Ch.22 except the final chapter is untranslated.
Also, I decided to screencap the nuke scene in case anybody wanted to pick them up. Includes the split second frame before the fireball too, some of the shockwave, and everything is in the best resolution available.
Yeah as a minimum it works, but looking at the kind of destruction it was causing (huge ass crater with no debris, vaporization?) I think a higher interpretation would be kind of literal on the "destroy the world" part. So "possibly" in the low parts of Tier 5.
By the way, if anyone wants scans from the Ultimate Edition of HnK (the recent one by Viz) with the increased quality and new translations, just ask.
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In regard to the Heavenly Emperor's Thunderbolt, I decided to get my hands on some of the raws and spent some time looking for environmental shots too. In case somebody wants to bring out a calculator (I was thinking of trying it myself, but I'll have to see):
One thing to note is that the size between shots is somewhat inconsistent. The building Simeon, Kenshiro and Kenshin have their fight at should be massive, but then you look at some shots of the volcano with Yasaka, Haruto and Feihe and they make it look like the thing's barely a hundred meters tall which doesn't make much sense with how trees look tiny next to the volcano and the emperor's thunderbolt. Eyeballing it, I'd suppose the volcano's a couple hundred meters tall in most shots.
The explosion itself seems to happen over the course of like... 10 or 15 minutes at most, speeding up as it goes along since it seems to nearly double in size by the time Kenshiro and Kenshin finish fighting. You can tell early on that it's messing with the clouds as it expands, meaning you could use that for reference for its size.
It leaves a huge crater that's (eyeball again) a few kilometers across at minimum, with nothing of the building, Hydra or the volcano left in any of the environmental shots. When Kenshin and Kenshiro catch the Thunderbolt, the explosion immediately contracts into the tiny point, at which point the crater is visible. They then toss it into space hard enough to escape gravity, seemingly and leave an exit hole visible on the earth's curve.
It doesn't even leave visible debris so if it really was going to go as far as the rest of the world it'd probably just vape everything in its path. One thing to note was that Kenshiro's hand required Erika's mending to be able to work again (creating the "fist of the blue sky" title drop), but there's no indication that he's not just relying on the power of Hokuto otherwise. Kenshin used both Tento and Hokuto and he just turned to dust trying to hold it in.
One thing to note is that the size between shots is somewhat inconsistent. The building Simeon, Kenshiro and Kenshin have their fight at should be massive, but then you look at some shots of the volcano with Yasaka, Haruto and Feihe and they make it look like the thing's barely a hundred meters tall which doesn't make much sense with how trees look tiny next to the volcano and the emperor's thunderbolt. Eyeballing it, I'd suppose the volcano's a couple hundred meters tall in most shots.
The explosion itself seems to happen over the course of like... 10 or 15 minutes at most, speeding up as it goes along since it seems to nearly double in size by the time Kenshiro and Kenshin finish fighting. You can tell early on that it's messing with the clouds as it expands, meaning you could use that for reference for its size.
It leaves a huge crater that's (eyeball again) a few kilometers across at minimum, with nothing of the building, Hydra or the volcano left in any of the environmental shots. When Kenshin and Kenshiro catch the Thunderbolt, the explosion immediately contracts into the tiny point, at which point the crater is visible. They then toss it into space hard enough to escape gravity, seemingly and leave an exit hole visible on the earth's curve.
It doesn't even leave visible debris so if it really was going to go as far as the rest of the world it'd probably just vape everything in its path. One thing to note was that Kenshiro's hand required Erika's mending to be able to work again (creating the "fist of the blue sky" title drop), but there's no indication that he's not just relying on the power of Hokuto otherwise. Kenshin used both Tento and Hokuto and he just turned to dust trying to hold it in.
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The deal with the lightning of the emperor is that it's a single device that even at the absolute lowest end, while being controlled by Erika (we suppose, it's never really elaborated upon) is supposed to singlehandedly replicate the HNK apocalypse, meaning 1 device was going to do the same damage as what all the planet's nukes ended up doing in HNK, so however high you think the HNK apocalypse scales as a whole, the lightning scales to it AT A LOW END.
What actually ended up happening in the manga is that the lightning was activated without Erika inside, which caused a kind of indiscriminate explosion that was triggered with the express purpose of "destroying the world" and took the form of an omnidirectional blast that was going to "annihilate everything", which to me makes it super clear that it's a straight up planet buster, the degree of planet busting (vfrag or like actual erasure) I'll let you decide.
I don't see the point of doing a calc with the size of the city when the narrative is so clear cut. What could be nice to calculate is the cloud formation/dispersion that happens alongside this.
I don't know about the seas drying up overtime as a result of climate changes. We know for a fact it must have happened within 2 weeks, because that's how long the people were in the bunkers and the seas were already dry when they came out, so I think that rules out any kind of slow climate-related explanation, also I distinctly remember that in the Toki movie they show the nukes and the seas being dry IMMEDIATELY after, even before they show Ken coming out of the bunker. There's also stuff that implies the drying was rapid and violent, like the famous scene with the cargo ship being embedded into the skyscraper.
It's not ridiculous to say, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it's likely, I know it makes literally no sense for the nukes to do that instantly but if you spend more than a fraction of a second thinking about the HNK apocalypse it completely crumbles from a realistic standpoint, so nitpicking on that specific aspect seems unwarranted to me.
I don't think the Taoist's statement about the lightning being recreated means that the HNK nukes are LITERALLY copies of the lightning of the emperor. One of the characters mentioned wanting to mass produce them, but he alongside all his crew dies shortly after, so he couldn't have gone through with it. I guess it works as an explanation for why the nukes are so much stronger than IRL ones and if you really want to you can use this to justify their unrealistic effects on the world (no body of water but there's still rain, clouds, drinkable water and vegetation around?), they are based on magic bombs lol.
The deal with the lightning of the emperor is that it's a single device that even at the absolute lowest end, while being controlled by Erika (we suppose, it's never really elaborated upon) is supposed to singlehandedly replicate the HNK apocalypse, meaning 1 device was going to do the same damage as what all the planet's nukes ended up doing in HNK, so however high you think the HNK apocalypse scales as a whole, the lightning scales to it AT A LOW END.
What actually ended up happening in the manga is that the lightning was activated without Erika inside, which caused a kind of indiscriminate explosion that was triggered with the express purpose of "destroying the world" and took the form of an omnidirectional blast that was going to "annihilate everything", which to me makes it super clear that it's a straight up planet buster, the degree of planet busting (vfrag or like actual erasure) I'll let you decide.
I don't see the point of doing a calc with the size of the city when the narrative is so clear cut. What could be nice to calculate is the cloud formation/dispersion that happens alongside this.
I don't know about the seas drying up overtime as a result of climate changes. We know for a fact it must have happened within 2 weeks, because that's how long the people were in the bunkers and the seas were already dry when they came out, so I think that rules out any kind of slow climate-related explanation, also I distinctly remember that in the Toki movie they show the nukes and the seas being dry IMMEDIATELY after, even before they show Ken coming out of the bunker. There's also stuff that implies the drying was rapid and violent, like the famous scene with the cargo ship being embedded into the skyscraper.
It's not ridiculous to say, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it's likely, I know it makes literally no sense for the nukes to do that instantly but if you spend more than a fraction of a second thinking about the HNK apocalypse it completely crumbles from a realistic standpoint, so nitpicking on that specific aspect seems unwarranted to me.
I don't think the Taoist's statement about the lightning being recreated means that the HNK nukes are LITERALLY copies of the lightning of the emperor. One of the characters mentioned wanting to mass produce them, but he alongside all his crew dies shortly after, so he couldn't have gone through with it. I guess it works as an explanation for why the nukes are so much stronger than IRL ones and if you really want to you can use this to justify their unrealistic effects on the world (no body of water but there's still rain, clouds, drinkable water and vegetation around?), they are based on magic bombs lol.
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So should we calc taking the nuclear war of 199X and rhe Cloud stuff as basis or discuss if its planet level based on the arguments presented?
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I think it's pretty clear cut that it should create a listing of "at least 6-A/High 6-A possibly Low 5-B/5-B", a calc in this case would just be to put a few hard numbers in place but that's not really possible for any upper ends since the Thunderbolt never actually finishes its work.
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I think we're just figuring out which characters apply for the High 6-A/4-C stuff now? There are some talk of other ratings above, but yeah.
In terms of who might scale to Kasumi Kenshiro and Kenshin's feat, the ending of Regenesis (and the very start of Souten no Ken) implies that Tesshin knew Kasumi died and that Ryuken knew the story of Kasumi in the 1970s. We also know that Erika, Yasaka and Feihe survived and literally saw basically everything that was happening with the Thunderbolt. Likely implying that all the later statements where 199X Kenshiro is the peak of Hokuto Shinken are actually somewhat factual.
With that in mind, I think scaling Regenesis Kasumi (who had touched the Hokuto stone/magatama) to post-Seals Kenshiro makes sense, but there also shouldn't be an insurmountable gap between that and previous tiers. Should also be noted that Kasumi (in the manga) did not master Musou Tensei, but 199X Kenshiro does. Whether that means he has more raw oomph than Kasumi is a bit in the air, but I guess it implies his knowledge of the art is more complete.
At the very least it makes Kaioh and Kenshiro at least applicable for scaling to Kasumi and Kenshin, and if you go the Musou Tensei route I suppose anybody who scales above Raoh/Last Nanto General arc Kenshiro could count. So Kenshiro (199X), Kaioh and a bit muddier but possibly: Hyoh & Raoh (Musou Tensei). A few characters close to this level would be like, Falco, Toki, Han, Yasaka (Souten no Ken), Zong Wu (Souten no Ken) and maybe a few others I can't think of at the moment.
With that in mind, I think scaling Regenesis Kasumi (who had touched the Hokuto stone/magatama) to post-Seals Kenshiro makes sense, but there also shouldn't be an insurmountable gap between that and previous tiers. Should also be noted that Kasumi (in the manga) did not master Musou Tensei, but 199X Kenshiro does. Whether that means he has more raw oomph than Kasumi is a bit in the air, but I guess it implies his knowledge of the art is more complete.
At the very least it makes Kaioh and Kenshiro at least applicable for scaling to Kasumi and Kenshin, and if you go the Musou Tensei route I suppose anybody who scales above Raoh/Last Nanto General arc Kenshiro could count. So Kenshiro (199X), Kaioh and a bit muddier but possibly: Hyoh & Raoh (Musou Tensei). A few characters close to this level would be like, Falco, Toki, Han, Yasaka (Souten no Ken), Zong Wu (Souten no Ken) and maybe a few others I can't think of at the moment.
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What about Sorya (purple general) saying that gento kohken can freeze body's cells? This statement is also said in the anime, episode 114. Maybe this in addition to Falco freezing sand can actually make it valid.
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How the scaling would looks like then? At least for Kenshiro's profile.
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Issue with that is that Ryuken himself never says anything about Ken in comparison to Kasumi and the one statement we have (that being Kasumi>Prime Ryuken) would place him above all of HNK1 by a very significant margin.
Even assuming that Yasaka and Feihe would tell Ryuken what happened, that wouldn't mean that he'd magically know how strong Kasumi was after he last met him, just like you wouldn't know how hard or fast your grandfather could punch just off of being told about his boxing matches back in the day. This in turn would meant that Ryuken telling his children about the story of Kasumi doesn't mean they'd know how strong he is.
Only real way to know how strong someone is in HNK is by directly seeing them and their aura AND EVEN THEN that's not enough a lot of the times (Raoh wasn't able to correctly gauge Ryuken's strength despite basically training with him all his life), the only way Ryuken could know how strong Kasumi was would be by either seeing him or by comparison to someone he could observe firsthand and there is nobody living at that point who is even remotely comparable to Kasumi.
Only statement in the manga about Ken being the strongest in hokuto history is from Raoh, who 1) didn't even know how strong cancer-ridden-Ryuken was, so we have no reason to assume he'd know how strong Kasumi was 2) was going off of the wrong (most likely retconned, but still) concept of nobody ever mastering Musou tensei, when the latest SNK vs HNK guidebook explicitly states that Kasumi mastered Musou Tensei.
I don't know about scaling to the supernova stuff, I haven't thought that through and I don't much want to atm, but what I can tell you is that Kasumi is way stronger than anyone in HNK1.
The issue with cross-scaling SNK and HNK is that SNK just has significantly stronger reliable feats and statements and ALSO has statements putting it nebulously above HNK
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Not sure if this is the right thread for it but I really have an issue with weaker characters like Rei, Shin, Amiba, and Jagi being scaled to Island level and FTL off of flimsy evidence like Garuda/the JG nuke. Jagi Gaiden is a story I enjoy, but it contradicts the original manga/anime multiple times over, reading through it one has to assume that it's just non-canon, and thus shouldn't be considered for power-scaling purposes.
This is not intended to downscale any other characters other than those mentioned above/characters relative to them. Kenshiro, Kaioh, Hyoh, Han, Falco, Raoh, Toki, and so on and so forth all have reasonable character pages-
Except for the fact that Kaioh's page has Tenryu Kokyu Ho mentioned as a strength enhancer for him. I have to assume this is a copy and paste mistake, since TKH is a Hokuto Shinken technique that he would not/does not know how to use.
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Inconsistencies in time in Jagi Gaiden:
Toki starting to learn Hokuto Shinken and Kenshiro starting to learn Hokuto Shinken all take place within the span of one chapter in Jagi Gaiden. If you're a fan of the original material you understand just how wrong this is, not only due to the timeline but also due to the ages that all of the characters are portrayed as.
Here is how young Toki was when he started training in Hokuto (as you can see, him and Raoh are relative in age and size), and here is Kenshiro before he was even ALLOWED inside of the dojo, much less training in there (he appears to be below the age of ten whereas Raoh is at the very least a young teen). Compare that to Jagi Gaiden's interpretation where Kenshiro, Jagi, Toki, and Raoh are all magically around the same age.
During the Nanto tournament flashback you can also see the difference between Raoh and Ken's age when he's learning Hokuto.
This is not to even mention that Kenshiro is being introduced to Toki and Raoh for some reason, when Raoh and Toki are the characters who first brought him over from Asura as a baby and know him better than anybody else. This inconsistency is further reinforced by the fact that Raoh and Toki first show up to the dojo without Kenshiro at all. In Hiromoto's interpretation of the story, Kenshiro, Raoh, and Toki don't have their connected canon backstory at all.
And that's just the first chapter!
This split is continued through most of the following chapters as each of Ryuken's four sons train together, but I think this is evidence enough to tell you why JG the nuke feat shouldn't be considered. Anything more would be redundant.
Rei, Shin, Amiba, and Jagi are far weaker than Garuda, and should not be considered "relative" to him:
Garuda demonstrates multiple times that he should be many levels above these four in speed, strength, technique, etc. In the first chapter alone he threatens to crush Uighir (Rei and Shin are stronger than Uighir but the other two aren't), a character who was able to deal real damage to Ken and send him flying to the point where Mamiya and Rei were shocked to see Kenshiro get back up from the attack- And is able to clash equally with Juza and cut him (though he is not at his full power here), a character who is later able to challenge Raoh at his full power (twice) and threaten his life.
He is also able to easily defeat Shuren of the Flames who was able to at the very least touch Raoh while riding Kokuoh, a feat that even Rei wasn't able to achieve (should be relative to Shin, over Amiba and Jagi). If you want to go a step further, Garuda's able to defeat both him and Hyui of the Wind at the same time.
Jagi and Amiba are both clearly weaker than Shin (he was able to previously defeat Kenshiro and was also the only fighter out of the three who Ken fought seriously, the wiki already shows that), and Shin himself is shown to not be able to defend Yuria against Raoh, so much so that he has to give her to the Goshasei to be protected (in the 1986 movie Shin is so little of an obstacle for Raoh that he is defeated off-screen).
Rei should also not be scaled directly to Kenshiro because of their performance in the Fang Clan arc, it's shown that their "fight" is all a rouse simply to take the Fang Clan off their guard and save Mamiya and Airi. On top of that, Rei is likely ONLY capable of Island Level destructive capabilities with his secret Nanto suicide art, considering how quickly he has to resort to it to try and defeat a base Raoh (shown above, he charges at him once, gets sent back, and then goes immediately to use his suicide technique).
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Shin and Rei are likely around City Block or City level (clearly weaker than Ken in base during part 1, even more so after the timeskip and moving towards EOS), while Amiba and Jagi are probably less than or equivalent to Large Building level.
Here's a good showing from Jagi, who is the weakest of the group: Skip to 15:16 (I would've used the YT upload but it was lagging for some reason)
The main reason I made this post is because Jagi at Island level is just ludicrous to me, lol. The only other showing he really has is bending metal in the manga.
This is not intended to downscale any other characters other than those mentioned above/characters relative to them. Kenshiro, Kaioh, Hyoh, Han, Falco, Raoh, Toki, and so on and so forth all have reasonable character pages-
Except for the fact that Kaioh's page has Tenryu Kokyu Ho mentioned as a strength enhancer for him. I have to assume this is a copy and paste mistake, since TKH is a Hokuto Shinken technique that he would not/does not know how to use.
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Inconsistencies in time in Jagi Gaiden:
Toki starting to learn Hokuto Shinken and Kenshiro starting to learn Hokuto Shinken all take place within the span of one chapter in Jagi Gaiden. If you're a fan of the original material you understand just how wrong this is, not only due to the timeline but also due to the ages that all of the characters are portrayed as.
Here is how young Toki was when he started training in Hokuto (as you can see, him and Raoh are relative in age and size), and here is Kenshiro before he was even ALLOWED inside of the dojo, much less training in there (he appears to be below the age of ten whereas Raoh is at the very least a young teen). Compare that to Jagi Gaiden's interpretation where Kenshiro, Jagi, Toki, and Raoh are all magically around the same age.
During the Nanto tournament flashback you can also see the difference between Raoh and Ken's age when he's learning Hokuto.
This is not to even mention that Kenshiro is being introduced to Toki and Raoh for some reason, when Raoh and Toki are the characters who first brought him over from Asura as a baby and know him better than anybody else. This inconsistency is further reinforced by the fact that Raoh and Toki first show up to the dojo without Kenshiro at all. In Hiromoto's interpretation of the story, Kenshiro, Raoh, and Toki don't have their connected canon backstory at all.
And that's just the first chapter!
This split is continued through most of the following chapters as each of Ryuken's four sons train together, but I think this is evidence enough to tell you why JG the nuke feat shouldn't be considered. Anything more would be redundant.
Rei, Shin, Amiba, and Jagi are far weaker than Garuda, and should not be considered "relative" to him:
Garuda demonstrates multiple times that he should be many levels above these four in speed, strength, technique, etc. In the first chapter alone he threatens to crush Uighir (Rei and Shin are stronger than Uighir but the other two aren't), a character who was able to deal real damage to Ken and send him flying to the point where Mamiya and Rei were shocked to see Kenshiro get back up from the attack- And is able to clash equally with Juza and cut him (though he is not at his full power here), a character who is later able to challenge Raoh at his full power (twice) and threaten his life.
He is also able to easily defeat Shuren of the Flames who was able to at the very least touch Raoh while riding Kokuoh, a feat that even Rei wasn't able to achieve (should be relative to Shin, over Amiba and Jagi). If you want to go a step further, Garuda's able to defeat both him and Hyui of the Wind at the same time.
Jagi and Amiba are both clearly weaker than Shin (he was able to previously defeat Kenshiro and was also the only fighter out of the three who Ken fought seriously, the wiki already shows that), and Shin himself is shown to not be able to defend Yuria against Raoh, so much so that he has to give her to the Goshasei to be protected (in the 1986 movie Shin is so little of an obstacle for Raoh that he is defeated off-screen).
Rei should also not be scaled directly to Kenshiro because of their performance in the Fang Clan arc, it's shown that their "fight" is all a rouse simply to take the Fang Clan off their guard and save Mamiya and Airi. On top of that, Rei is likely ONLY capable of Island Level destructive capabilities with his secret Nanto suicide art, considering how quickly he has to resort to it to try and defeat a base Raoh (shown above, he charges at him once, gets sent back, and then goes immediately to use his suicide technique).
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Shin and Rei are likely around City Block or City level (clearly weaker than Ken in base during part 1, even more so after the timeskip and moving towards EOS), while Amiba and Jagi are probably less than or equivalent to Large Building level.
Here's a good showing from Jagi, who is the weakest of the group: Skip to 15:16 (I would've used the YT upload but it was lagging for some reason)
The main reason I made this post is because Jagi at Island level is just ludicrous to me, lol. The only other showing he really has is bending metal in the manga.
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Yep, High 4-C. 1E+44J to be exact.
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I would you like you to show the evidence of Kasumi mastering MT, because the only time he archivied was when he was uncounsious and he never used in any other fight later. Because the link you gave it does not work, Theres also a statement in one guidebook that says Ken was stronger.
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Not gonna disprove any bit of what I say, just gonna say it's wrong lol. Aren't you intelligent?
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Doesn't take a genius to realize that saying that Shuren is above Rei because he "managed to touch Raoh" is ******* ********
40th anniversary guidebook saying Kasumi mastered MT and him using it unconsciously means he "possesses exceptional abilities even among the successors of the Hokuto Shinken (in direct reference to Ken and Raoh)". Saikyo Burai guidebook (most up to date comparison between Ken and Kasumi) where Hara says Kasumi=Ken
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Still no evidence against what I said.
Rei wasn't even able to perceive Raoh's attacks whereas Shuren could and was able to touch him despite a broken arm and leg.
+No counterargument to Jagi Gaiden being non-canon.
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The "attacks" that Rei "wasn't even able to perceive" weren't actual attacks, it was Raoh's aura, which he clearly didn't use on Shuren because if he did he would have been hit by it and he would have been turned to paste before making contact
You evidently lack basic understanding of the story, there's no point in talking to you, and I won't
You evidently lack basic understanding of the story, there's no point in talking to you, and I won't
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Hey... Remind me again which character grabbed Raoh, and which one was beaten by getting a cape thrown in his face? Aura or not Rei was treated flippantly whereas Shuren actually gets a slight compliment from Raoh LOL. Raoh considering Rei such a non-obstacle that he doesn't even use his fists to attack him is not the upscale you think it is.
You evidently have a hard time responding to a detailed post with more than "in the big 26" and "I don't even need to respond to this". But yeah, there's no point in talking to you if you can't even provide a rebuttal to 90% of my statements.
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The Hara statement is totally fair, but Kasumi mastering MT might be a translation error? (Yes, even with the Ryuken Kanji) since right after it only states that he used uncounsiously which seems odd. Shouldn't we bring a Japanese speaker to fully very this?
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No. I ran it through like 5 apps, the kanji for "mastery" is there black on white and we have precedent for it being used with that exact meaning in the og manga specifically in the context of MT.
The text never says he "only" used it unconsciously, it says that him doing so is actually a feat, not a limitation; it makes it better than the one Ken and Raoh have. Musou Tensei is an unconscious technique BY DEFINITION, it's in the name.
By all means, get a native speaker, but he'll probably just confirm it.
The only actual reason you'd ever think that Kasumi's MT is a non-mastered version is due to Ryuken's statement, which given the context of Regenesis, doesn't actually apply at all (Ryuken couldn't possibly have known that Kasumi mastered MT).
You couldn't even prove that MT is something you can "have" without "mastering" it, it's a state of being, not a simple technique you can gradually learn, you either have it or you don't, the only indication that there might be degrees of mastery of MT is from a misinterpreted guidebook quote.
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The Guidebook never says it's better than Ken or Raoh either, it seems that you're really like Kasumi and wants to make the strongest of the verse, which is not the case. Kasumi being a master of Musou Tensei is contradicted by the narrative, and you gonna need to have the Guidebook verified. Also Tetsuo Hara saying both are equal don't make this gospel either. He is a co author of Hokuto No Ken, so Buronson who made the story also should say the same to be valid. The OFFICIAL HNK X SNK GUIDEBOOK states Ken is the strongest, and this is supported by the narrative, Kasumi was unable to break free from the Hokuto Goddess hold in Soryu Tenha, Kaioh fought the same to a standstill.
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I quote: "In "Fist of the North Star", this was a secret technique that only Kenshiro and Raoh could use, but since Kenshiro (Kasumi) was said to have used it unconsciously, it can be inferred that he possessed exceptional abilities even among the successors of Hokuto Shinken", doesn't get clearer than that, Kas using MT unconsciouslu means he has "EXCEPTIONAL ABILITIES" compared to other successors, now, unless you are gonna show me another successor with MT, that means Kasumi is exceptional in direct comparison to Ken. Am I taking crazy pills? I'm not adding ANYTHING, that's what the text says
It isn't, I already explained that
Buronson hasn't been involved in the franchise for like 20 years, he didn't even actually co-author SNK, he's completely irrelevant and even if he wasn't Hara is by far the more authoritative voice, he's the creator of the character and owner of the IP.
Guidebook released like 10+ years ago, before SNK was even finished, LET ALONE Regenesis, while the Saikyo Burai guidebook was released last year alongside the final arc of Kasumi's story. Also I like how you say "official" as if the newer one isn't lmao
Never happened and even if it did it wouldn't mean anything
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"Possessed exceptional powers even among the successors of Hokuto Shinken" does not mean > Ken lol. There are 64 successors including Kasumi, it's basically a blanket nothing statement that doesn't give us anything we don't already know.
"Based off of him using Muso Tensei we can infer he possessed exceptional powers among successors of HS." You don't say?
Why is this even an argument after Hara says they're equal anyway?
"Based off of him using Muso Tensei we can infer he possessed exceptional powers among successors of HS." You don't say?
Why is this even an argument after Hara says they're equal anyway?
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