My Hero Academia: Wild Card proposal for Shigaraki but we move (Plus All For One addition)

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Getting the easy part out of the way. Rewind All For One should get Self-Soul Manipulation due to him being able to rewind his own soul and heal it like Eri is capable of doing with Deku's soul due to using the same quirk.

Ok so hear me out. Shigaraki should get Immortality Type 2 and Possibly High-Mid Regeneration added to his current accepted Mid Regeneration

So unlike the other Nomus due to being a Perfected Nomu, Shigaraki despite heavily crippled and affected by spiritual damage, he can still live with like most of his body and all his vital/internal organs and brain destroyed. Hes completely hollowed out without even having guts, fluids, or bones. It also looks like his brain was cooked during the Stars and Stripes nuking as well



All For One also entirely blamed the inability to heal his body due to spiritual damage, implying that if the same damage was done in a physical/conventional sense, he would've been able to regenerate his body fine.

It's also stated twice that they needed to completely annihilate Shigaraki until nothing of him is left behind in order to permanently kill him.

(Side note, The Perfected Nomu Shigaraki can regenerate an entire new body from a decapitated head and now destroying his brain as shown above doesn't kill him off or prevent the use of quirks like with inferior imperfected nomu's)

And what do you know, nothing of him was left behind


Shigaraki also regenerated an entirely new head/brain here

(Also he should get metal manipulation or something for being able to create metal wires/limbs to force himself back together or attack)

Quick proposal but Deku and Bakugo should get Minor Electricity Generation

Staff Votes:
Agree: @Vietthai96 (Thread) @Reiner04 (Thread) @Imaginym (Thread) @DarkDragonMedeus (Super Admin) @SomebodyData (Human Resources)

Disagree:

User Votes:
Agreement for Possibly High Mid Regen:
@1000TonsofFun @DarthSpiderr @Anonymous_Learner @BiggestOpp @Metalballrun @Machmatej @JoeDM021 @XSOULOFCINDERX @Voidnether @Shadowslaya! @Bruhtelho @AyOgUyS @MANOFGOD7 @Lloydblitzed @Jackof_noTrades068 @RaikiKurohane99 (Translation Staff: Suggests Self Soul Manipulation be Restoration instead) @Mbpoops

Highest Interpretation for Mid Regen:
@TheRustyOne (CGM) @Bruh

 

[1000TonsofFun]

I agree. We know he is superior to Nomu that have Mid Regen so High Mid isn’t a stretch and is supported by All For One regenerating from most of his head being destroyed. Plus, Shiggy’s regen should be superior annyway, ans he can use more than just hyper-regen (as seen by AFO using other quirks to pull himself back together whilst in Shiggy’s body). And that was in a body that was already weakened compared to Shigaraki/his completed self. Honestly, I actually think High-Mid should just be straight up rather than possibly. Also, metal manipulation makes sense, we also see them in All Might’s backstory and we see AFO use them a bunch in his rewind form so there is a lot of precedent for Shigaraki, who currently holds the AFO quirk, to be able to manipulate metal in some way.

 

[Vietthai96]

This seems oke from a glance

 

[DarthSpiderr]

I thought we'd accepted Shigaraki's regeneration abilities a long time ago, lol. He can't be killed until his body is completely destroyed. Caitlin even said he needs to be destroyed down to his atoms.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I thought we'd accepted Shigaraki's regeneration abilities a long time ago, lol. He can't be killed until his body is completely destroyed. Caitlin even said he needs to be destroyed down to his atoms.

What kind of regeneration is that lol

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Btw the sole reason why he still had Mid Regen is because he’s cross scaling to inferior Nomu’s who die if their brain is destroyed, which shouldn’t even apply to THE perfected nomu.

And we see Shigaraki while crippled, soul damaged, and missing like 95% of his body including brain is still alive.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I actually think High-Mid should just be straight up rather than possibly.

I’m fine with a full High Mid rating if staffs believe the evidence if sufficient enough to overrule the inferior Nomu scaling btw

 

[1000TonsofFun]

What kind of regeneration is that lol

High-Mid: The ability to regenerate from being blown/cut to pieces, brain included, or from a small piece of the user's body, such as a finger, or the heart.

• Examples: Dio Brando (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure), Spawn (Image Comics), The Protagonist (Cruelty Squad)

Low-High: The ability to regenerate from having no solid parts of the body remaining. Such a state can range from a puddle of fluids to a single cell. For robots and machines, this can also include regenerating from a liquid state.

• Examples: Father (Fullmetal Alchemist), Jason Voorhees (Friday the 13th), Mahito (Jujutsu Kaisen)

Mid-High: The ability to regenerate from having all biology completely incinerated. This level includes remains such as ash, dust, smoke, vapor, or plasma.

• Examples: Majin Buu (Dragon Ball), Dark Matter (Kirby), Deadpool (Marvel Comics)

High: The ability to regenerate from a few scattered or lone molecules, atoms, sub-atomic particles, or pure physical energy units.

• Examples: The Sentry (Marvel Comics), The Beast (InFAMOUS), Don Slime (Toriko)

Anywhere from Low-High to possibly High

 

[DarthSpiderr]

All points indicate that he has no limitations, and the only statement that provides specifics is the statement that even his atoms must be destroyed. High one fits here.

 

[Damage3245]

The atoms statement seems clearly hyperbolic. His regeneration shouldn't be too different from the Nomu themselves who are killed when their heads are completely destroyed.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

The atoms statement seems clearly hyperbolic. His regeneration shouldn't be too different from the Nomu themselves who are killed when their heads are completely destroyed.

Since the proposal was for Possibly High Mid then does that work?

Crippled Shigaraki with soul damage and 90% of his body missing including brain is still capable of staying alive. This is something none of the inferior Nomu’s are able to do as Mirko just kicking them in the head can instantly put them down.

Like way beyond what the other Nomus can survive.

AFO only ever blamed his inability to regenerate that damage all because of soul damage too so it implies he would’ve been able to if the damage was done conventionally.

Shigaraki’s own words even admits that he needs to be vaporized until there’s nothing left in order to be permanently put down. Which is also consistent with Nana’s statement.

 

[DarthSpiderr]

The atoms statement seems clearly hyperbolic. His regeneration shouldn't be too different from the Nomu themselves who are killed when their heads are completely destroyed.

This is just an opinion, not an argument you haven't backed up. And it contradicts the plot, which requires erasing his entire body. There's no direct statement that his brain needs to be destroyed to kill him, and assuming that "shouldn't be too different" without any compelling reason is unfounded. Indirect reasons are based on your intuition rather than facts. Shigaraki is very different from all the Nomu and stands above them all.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

There's no direct statement that his brain needs to be destroyed to kill him, and assuming that "shouldn't be too different" without any compelling reason is unfounded.

I’m telling you it’s from the statement that Mirko kicking the brain of an inferior Nomu can put them down.

Crippled Shigaraki with soul damage and 90% of his body missing including brain is still capable of staying alive. This is something none of the inferior Nomu’s are able to do as Mirko just kicking them in the head can instantly put them down.

Which is something that is 100% not applicable to Shigaraki

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I agree with this, My goats deserve this

 

[Robo432343]

@TheRustyOne

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

@TheRustyOne

son thinks he can ping people

 

[Bruh]

Immortality works tho AFO was acting on timer so idk if it's true permanent Type 2 or the kind that last a while then die regardless , but regarding regen Mid alone would be able to heal this type of damage, High Mid require you to regen from a single piece of your body which in this case theres still plenty to go around (torso, arm, half of head) , so feat wise is still not enough justification for High Mid. The atoms statement yall can dicuss among yourselves

 

[AyOgUyS]

Looks fine at a glance I suppose, idk about what exact level of regen shiggy would get tho imma let y'all decide that

 

[Damage3245]

I'll ping Rusty for you, @TheRustyOne

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Immortality works tho AFO was acting on timer so

I mean it should still be Immortality Type 2 since he is still alive even if on a timer

High Mid require you to regen from a single piece of your body which in this case theres still plenty to go around (torso, arm, half of head) ,

It doesn’t have to be a single piece of body like a finger. Regenerating from being blown or sliced into pierces also valid for High Mid

Also there’s Shigaraki’s own statement where he self admits that he needs to be completely vaporized until there’s nothing left in order to be put down completely and Nana also saying something similar

 

[1000TonsofFun]

The atoms statement seems clearly hyperbolic. His regeneration shouldn't be too different from the Nomu themselves who are killed when their heads are completely destroyed.

Why shouldn’t it be any different? All For One in Shigaraki’s weakened body was able to regenerate from being blown into pieces by using quirks and Shigaraki is consistently stated to have to have his body be complete destroyed to be killed. I do agree that the atom statement is probably hyperbolic, but it does support the idea that Shigaraki requires complete destruction of his body to kill him.

 

[Bruh]

It doesn’t have to be a single piece of body like a finger. Regenerating from being blown or sliced into pierces also valid for High Mid

"High-Mid: The ability to regenerate from being blown/cut to pieces, brain included, or from a small piece of the user's body, such as a finger, or the heart."

A large part of his torso and half of his brain is still there, it's not like he got diced Metal gear rising style or anything, Mid regen is more than capable of healing this, hell if not for the brain injury even Low mid is more than enough

 

[Damage3245]

Why shouldn’t it be any different? All For One in Shigaraki’s weakened body was able to regenerate from being blown into pieces by using quirks and Shigaraki is consistently stated to have to have his body be complete destroyed to be killed. I do agree that the atom statement is probably hyperbolic, but it does support the idea that Shigaraki requires complete destruction of his body to kill him.

All For One didn't regenerate from being blown to pieces; he was stitching himself together with Quirks, not regeneration.

 

[EnderLord8]

The statement about atoms seems a bit too specific to be a simple hyperbole; at least I wouldn't go so far as to use a hyperbole when talking about atoms, and I'd only use it if I were being serious within a story.

That's just me, of course.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

The statement about atoms seems a bit too specific to be a simple hyperbole; at least I wouldn't go so far as to use a hyperbole when talking about atoms, and I'd only use it if I were being serious within a story.

That's just me, of course.

The statements I'm using isnt the atoms one btw. Its Shigaraki's own words and Nana's

 

[1000TonsofFun]

All For One didn't regenerate from being blown to pieces; he was stitching himself together with Quirks, not regeneration.

Does that not count as regeneration though? If not, what other power would it be classified as?

The statement about atoms seems a bit too specific to be a simple hyperbole; at least I wouldn't go so far as to use a hyperbole when talking about atoms, and I'd only use it if I were being serious within a story.

That's just me, of course.

Whether it’s hyperbole or not doesn’t really matter. The main point is that Star is saying that no visible trace of him can remain or else he won’t be fully destroyed.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Does that not count as regeneration though? If not, what other power would it be classified as?

Immortality type 2 and metal manipulation

Also like in the OP, AFO entirely blamed the inability to regenerate that damage due to soul damage and not because the damage was crazy or anything. If it was conventional damage then he would’ve been fine.

 

[Bruh]

Does that not count as regeneration though? If not, what other power would it be classified as?

Body control and Immortality t2, or just really good stamina. Nothing was actually healed or regen, just temporarily stitched together in a barely functional manner

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Body control and Immortality t2, or just really good stamina. Nothing was actually healed or regen, just temporarily stitched together in a barely functional manner

Ok then. It still doesn’t change the multiple statements that Shigaraki has to be completely destroyed to be killed and as @CastoriceTheFifth says, AFO attributes the fact he can’t regenerate from this due to his soul being damaged rather than a weakness of his regen. I also think if he could be beaten by destroying his head, Nana would have suggested that as an option of killing him rather than telling Deku to completely “annihilate him in a single blow”. And, as has been said before, Shigaraki is considered the “perfected Nomu” so he shouldn’t just be scaled to their capabilities. Otherwise we’d have to upgrade all the High-End Nomu to 6-A.

 

[Bruh]

It still doesn’t change the multiple statements that Shigaraki has to be completely destroyed to be killed and as @CastoriceTheFifth says, AFO attributes the fact he can’t regenerate from this due to his soul being damaged rather than a weakness of his regen.

Again im not really interested in arguing about any of the the "complete destruction/atoms" statement, im just here to argue feats. And in the scenes provided you only really need Mid regen to heal from so theres that, at most you could argue that Shigarki doesnt have the same brain weakness that the Nomu have tho we never actually see his brain gets completely destroyed, only part of it so theres that

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yeah I'm arguing that shigaraki isn't bounded by the inferior nomus weakness as the guy only ever has wires in his head at this point in time

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Again im not really interested in arguing about any of the the "complete destruction/atoms" statement, im just here to argue feats. And in the scenes provided you only really need Mid regen to heal from so theres that, at most you could argue that Shigarki doesnt have the same brain weakness that the Nomu have tho we never actually see his brain gets completely destroyed, only part of it so theres that

As I said before, Nana and Star wouldn’t be so intent on leaving no trace of him behind if you can merely beat him by destroying his head. And with Shigaraki saying that he needs to be vaporised and Star saying he needs to be reduced to atoms in the same fight, it paints the picture that he can at least regenerate his body back on a molecular level (probably Mid High regen imo)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yeah I'm arguing that shigaraki isn't bounded by the inferior nomus weakness as the guy only ever has wires in his head at this point in time

Btw if it is decided that he isn't bounded by the weaker nomus weaknesses as shown with the pics as the perfected nomu

The statements I'm using isnt the atoms one btw. Its Shigaraki's own words and Nana's

Then there shouldn't really be that much scrutiny over these statements under a possibly rating

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

As I said before, Nana and Star wouldn’t be so intent on leaving no trace of him behind if you can merely beat him by destroying his head.

Just saying, the only ever attempts of trying to kill Shigaraki were via complete annihilation leaving nothing left rather than the Mirko strategy of kicking inferior nomus in the brain

 

[Bruh]

As I said before, Nana and Star wouldn’t be so intent on leaving no trace of him behind if you can merely beat him by destroying his head. And with Shigaraki saying that he needs to be vaporised and Star saying he needs to be reduced to atoms in the same fight, it paints the picture that he can at least regenerate his body back on a molecular level (probably Mid High regen imo)

Again why are you bringing this up with me ? I said im not interested in arguing about any of the statements !

 

[BiggestOpp]

This is just an opinion, not an argument you haven't backed up. And it contradicts the plot, which requires erasing his entire body. There's no direct statement that his brain needs to be destroyed to kill him, and assuming that "shouldn't be too different" without any compelling reason is unfounded. Indirect reasons are based on your intuition rather than facts. Shigaraki is very different from all the Nomu and stands above them all.

No no, Damage does have a point.
Shigaraki himself says if Deku would have hit his head with that Fajin punch he’d probably die. Obviously that punch wasn’t going to utterly obliterate him.
Scans of people saying they have to reduce him to nothing to kill him is obviously hyperbolic, they’re just saying it’s almost impossible to defeat him without making sure he’s actually dead.

BUT it is clear that AFO was capable of surviving with like, no internal organs?
When he’s crumbling away, you can see shots of the inside of his body, there’s absolutely nothing. He’s hollowed out. No guts, fluids, bones, not even his brain remained.
All that remained was half of his head and a small bit of his torso. It doesn’t matter that he was pulling himself back together with quirks, AFO shouldn’t be alive in this state and him being alive, acting and prolonging the use of his body is clear proof Immortality type 2.
Now for regeneration….. I guess a possibly should be fine? We don’t get to see him healing from this bc his regeneration was no longer working, but considering Nomu’s regeneration works as long as they are alive I think having a possibly should be fine.

 

[Metalballrun]

Reducing something into atoms is a somewhat common figure of speech (some verses using it might warrant a downgrade) but it can be a valid supporting statement for High-Mid regen.

As for Tomura having High Mid regen, it depends on the wiki's terminology. Mid regen does include "severe" brain damage but huge chunks of Tomura's brain were already disintegrating and he was still alive.
Due to the super regen being inactive though, we don't see if it would actually regenerate Tomura from that level of damage.

High Mid regen does include "being cut to pieces, including the brain" and Tomura's head falling apart from Deku's punch should satisfy that description.

What Tomura/AFO was doing wasn't exactly regeneration though but generation of biomass using a Quirk. He wasn't healing so that might not count as regeneration. It counts as a Type 2 Immortality though.

So Tomura getting High Mid depends on if his hyper regen would actually heal him from that injury. We also have to take into account that part of the reason Tomura was still alive despite the damage to his physical body is because of the weird mechanics of the Vestige World from where AFO can control the physical body. Whereas when the Nomu's brain is destroyed they naturally can't think anymore.

If High Mid will be added I lean more on "possibly" for it.

 

[Bruh]

As for Tomura having High Mid regen, it depends on the wiki's terminology. Mid regen does include "severe" brain damage but huge chunks of Tomura's brain were already disintegrating and he was still alive.
Due to the super regen being inactive though, we don't see if it would actually regenerate Tomura from that level of damage.

High Mid regen does include "being cut to pieces, including the brain" and Tomura's head falling apart from Deku's punch should satisfy that description.

Imo of the wiki's standards on regen, considering the amount of biomass he still have left, Mid regen would be more than enough to heal all of that considering he still have half of his head and most of his torso, even if his head was destroyed and only his torso remained that would still only be Mid

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Imo of the wiki's standards on regen, considering the amount of biomass he still have left, Mid regen would be more than enough to heal all of that considering he still have half of his head and most of his torso, even if his head was destroyed and only his torso remained that would still only be Mid

Always interpreted mid regeneration as being unable to regenerate from brain destruction. Could be wrong.

 

[Bruh]

Always interpreted mid regeneration as being unable to regenerate from brain destruction. Could be wrong.

Nah, Mid can regen completely head destruction as long as enough biomass is left. Regen an entire body from your head and your head from just your body both count as Mid Regen after all.
This of course varied from verse to verse, so we shouldnt assume the full capacity of a specific regen type without enough evidence