My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

[Yunoo]

No me gusta cómo la línea de Japón se transformó en el mundo entero para los juegos

Eso fueThat was totally Horikoshi's decision haha, he saw that and said "yes, that's fine" as if he hadn't put Japan in the manga , I guess he thought that was better than destroying Japan in 1 week.

 

[Yunoo]

Estas afirmaciones son buenas pero se aplican principalmente a la decadencia de Shigaraki. Si podemos encontrar a alguien que supere la decadencia, potencialmente podría ser utilizado. Estoy de acuerdo en que dicen que Shigaraki podría destruir el mundo, y el anime parece implicar que esto simplemente requiere que toque el suelo una vez (lo que se muestra cuando intenta destruir el Monte Fuji).

Sin embargo, podrían ser una buena evidencia que respalde una actualización del Calc en la nube de Deku. No puedo hacer eso por un tiempo, estoy ocupado con tareas universitarias, pero intentaré comenzar una vez que termine. Solo algunas matemáticas simples que he hecho indican que Deku debería volver a los rangos bajos multicontinentales como mínimo (salir de la nube es un pirocumulonimbus). Pero primero tendría que escalarlo. Pero si hay un personaje que escala por encima de World Destroying Decay de Shigaraki, esa sería una buena manera de llegar más alto y luego el nuevo Calc, si se acepta, podría actuar como apoyo.

¿No es suficiente la mención? Doesn't the mention that All Might can destroy the world, and that Shigaraki only received those 5-B mentions after gaining his physical strength, make any sense? And anyway, Deku mentions delivering a blow greater than that of the 9 holders, and as I said, All Might has at least 5 Planetary mentions (the one about shaking the earth, the one about vigilantes, the inverse with Shigaraki, and the mentions in All's Justice that he shook the entire world after his last smash with All For One, said mention is also present in the manga and anime)

 

[Mommyleona]

also deku scales to decay cause he can resist it and even if you think decay is hax it dont matter since it still has destructive output that can be scaled and if someone resists that hax they should also scale to the general output of that attack and saying they wouldn't would not make sense since the only time i'd agree with you if it was something like a creation hax but here this is pure destructive output so saying someone who resists an attack that could cause such destruction wouldn't scale to that output is kinda insane to me but your free to prove me wrong if u got the arg for it

So you're saying decay is potency based.... therefore if you have a higher tier you can just resist/ignore decay... nuke half of Shigaraki match ups

 

[1000TonsofFun]

¿No es suficiente la mención? Doesn't the mention that All Might can destroy the world, and that Shigaraki only received those 5-B mentions after gaining his physical strength, make any sense? And anyway, Deku mentions delivering a blow greater than that of the 9 holders, and as I said, All Might has at least 5 Planetary mentions (the one about shaking the earth, the one about vigilantes, the inverse with Shigaraki, and the mentions in All's Justice that he shook the entire world after his last smash with All For One, said mention is also present in the manga and anime)

Shaking the earth is merely Low 6-B. The Vigilantes statement is vague. Even if we assume it means to destroy the world in one attack, that could be a High 6-A feat rather than 5-B. I can’t find the All’s Justice statement, but again it’s another shaking the earth statement which even if taken literally is only Low 6-B. The Shigaraki stuff makes sense to me though, pretty explicitly High 6-A to 5-B if taken at face value. But we don’t know if decay scales to anyone. You could try to argue that the Overhaul quirk shoukd scale, due to decay being a “inferior” version without the version to reconstruct matter but that kinda throws off the scaling. I guess you could argue that Shigaraki tanks his own decay, giving him potentially planetary durability and giving Deku planetary AP for harming him but I’m not sure staff would accept that. I’m also pretty sure decay ignores durability anyway, given it can harm final arc Deku who is superior to Shiggy, despite him being more powerful than Shigaraki (could cut off his limbs).

 

[1000TonsofFun]

So you're saying decay is potency based.... therefore if you have a higher tier you can just resist/ignore decay... nuke half of Shigaraki match ups

I know this is kinda a joke, but some profiles on the wiki already kinda have this. For example, the DCEU Mother Boxes’ durability scales to the destructive value of their own matter manipulation. Characters like Superman (post resurrection) are able to damage them, which is why they scale even though the activation of the boxes still kills them. This is also kinda how anti-matter works if you don’t have resistance to it. Even if your durability is more than your own mass converted to energy, it doesn’t mean you can survive your whole body being converted into energy. But I don’t think that’s how decay necessarily works, it does seem to ignore durability more than anything (could harm a Deku who was cutting Shigaraki’s limbs off).

 

[Kinggg121132]

here they are

there are roughly 17-18 unique world ending and or related statements

even if you dont believe like 8-10 of them thats fine cuz that means there are still like 10-8 that are valid

Bros trying so hard

 

[JoeDM021]

Shaking the earth is merely Low 6-B. The Vigilantes statement is vague. Even if we assume it means to destroy the world in one attack, that could be a High 6-A feat rather than 5-B. I can’t find the All’s Justice statement, but again it’s another shaking the earth statement which even if taken literally is only Low 6-B. The Shigaraki stuff makes sense to me though, pretty explicitly High 6-A to 5-B if taken at face value. But we don’t know if decay scales to anyone. You could try to argue that the Overhaul quirk shoukd scale, due to decay being a “inferior” version without the version to reconstruct matter but that kinda throws off the scaling. I guess you could argue that Shigaraki tanks his own decay, giving him potentially planetary durability and giving Deku planetary AP for harming him but I’m not sure staff would accept that. I’m also pretty sure decay ignores durability anyway, given it can harm final arc Deku who is superior to Shiggy, despite him being more powerful than Shigaraki (could cut off his limbs).

It is accepted on the wiki that shigaraki can resist his own decay

Also deku is shown to resist decay himself directly

 

[JoeDM021]

So you're saying decay is potency based.... therefore if you have a higher tier you can just resist/ignore decay... nuke half of Shigaraki match ups

No dummy... you still obviously have to have resistance to decays dura neg but you should also have to scale around its general range of potency to tank it to which is what deku does so he should upscale this (and its a very weakened version of deku too)

 

[1000TonsofFun]

No dummy... you still obviously have to have resistance to decays dura neg but you should also have to scale around its general range of potency to tank it to which is what deku does so he should upscale this (and its a very weakened version of deku too)

I don’t think Deku ever tanks the full force of decay like that. Not the one he was using to destroy Japan anyway. You could potentially argue that Shiggy tanks his own decay though, but we don’t know if he could tank his planetary decay. He does have hyper-regeneration after all.

 

[JoeDM021]

I don’t think Deku ever tanks the full force of decay like that. Not the one he was using to destroy Japan anyway. You could potentially argue that Shiggy tanks his own decay though.

scroll up a little

 

[1000TonsofFun]

scroll up a little

Yeah, that’s not the decay he was using on Mt Fuji. He was in the air by this point. This was happening specifically to Deku’s soul.

Edit: I guess if you assume that Shiggy is going all out when decaying Deku, it’s not ridiculous to scale it too his decay used to destroy Japan and potentially the world. I just think we need to make sure the arguments for it are watertight. Staff members tend to scrutinise statements like these more than most other users, so if you want to argue for upgrades (especially this high) you need to be as thorough as you can.

 

[JoeDM021]

Yeah, that’s not the decay he was using on Mt Fuji. He was in the air by this point. This was happening specifically to Deku’s soul.

Its shown to have happened on his physical body too meaning he can resist the effects of decay definitively also decay at any time during the final war arc shouldnt be any different from eachother so if deku can resist decay here he could likely resist the world ending decay to since they are legit the same ability

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Broskie the guy was worrying about instant death decay in the same arc

 

[Yunoo]

No creo que Deku jamás desperdicie toda la fuerza de la decadencia de esa manera. De todos modos, no era el que estaba usando para destruir Japón. Se podría argumentar potencialmente que Shiggy frustra su propia desintegración, pero no sabemos si podría frustrar su desintegración planetaria. Después de todo, tiene hiperregeneración.

S Shigaraki planned to use his Decay at all times to destroy the planet, nothing more. He himself mentions that it will be an irreversible destruction, and that can only be if he is going to destroy it irreversibly

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Broskie the guy was worrying about instant death decay in the same arc

Tdf that’s because he wanted to try and save Shigaraki first. Once we get into the vestige world, he only cared about reaching out to Shigaraki.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

S Shigaraki planned to use his Decay at all times to destroy the planet, nothing more. He himself mentions that it will be an irreversible destruction, and that can only be if he is going to destroy it irreversibly

The one he uses on Deku is explicitly not the one being used on the planet. You can maybe argue that in both cases he would be going all out but, whilst in the air against one opponent inside his soul, he would not be trying to destroy the planet.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

So have anyone read the previous manga of Horikoshi about a rabbit that is op?

 

[Yunoo]

Sí, esa no es la descomposición que estaba usando en el Monte Fuji. En ese momento ya estaba en el aire. Esto le estaba sucediendo específicamente al alma de Deku.

Editar: Supongo que si asumes que Shiggy está haciendo todo lo posible al descomponer a Deku, no es ridículo escalarlo también a su descomposición utilizada para destruir Japón y potencialmente el mundo. Simplemente creo que debemos asegurarnos de que los argumentos a favor sean irrefutables. Los miembros del personal tienden a examinar declaraciones como estas más que la mayoría de los demás usuarios, por lo que si desea abogar por actualizaciones (especialmente esta alta), debe ser lo más minucioso posible.

 

[Yunoo]

Bueno, las referencias son consistentes. Es decir, Shigaraki sólo recibe sus declaraciones 5-B gracias a tener el poder de AM, declarado capaz de destruir el mundo. Más tarde se menciona que, gracias a su fuerza y odio, dl Decay irá a la Tierra misma y que puede destruir el mundo entero en el juego (y manga).The mentions of "Destroy everything", "This world", "Decay this world", are consistent.Also, Anna's Quirk is mentioned as being capable of destroying the world if it gets out of control, and Dark Might absorbed all that power and withstood it. Let's remember that Dark Might possessed the power of All Might Awakened, which can destroy the world, giving it consistency. And in the Spanish version of the movie, Dark Might says:"Watch as my power bends this planet," and after absorbing Anna's power, he says that he will be the world.

 

[Mommyleona]

No dummy... you still obviously have to have resistance to decays dura neg but you should also have to scale around its general range of potency to tank it to which is what deku does so he should upscale this (and its a very weakened version of deku too)

This makes absolutely no sense

 

[JoeDM021]

This makes absolutely no sense

for you sure but aye i respect the agenda pushing so i wont bother with ya

 

[Mommyleona]

for you sure but aye i respect the agenda pushing so i wont bother with ya

WHO is telling me that Im agenda pushing something???
same guy who takes "he shook earth when hitting it" as a planetary statement

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Deku Resisted not decay but Shigaraki's soul attack in the vestige world cuz he was able to keep imagining his soul hands staying, you can literally see his hands decaying.

Deku was literally worried about getting close to shigaraki because Decay is instant death, what are we doing?

 

[57Dev]

Are we deadass having a debate about Decay having ap ?

 

[JoeDM021]

Deku Resisted not decay but Shigaraki's soul attack in the vestige world cuz he was able to keep imagining his soul hands staying, you can literally see his hands decaying.

Deku was literally worried about getting close to shigaraki because Decay is instant death, what are we doing?

alr having this discussion with Castorice in dms

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

yeah and that deku should scale.
It's decon, dura neg. No one scales.

 

[JoeDM021]

Are we deadass having a debate about Decay having ap ?

apparently decay is only a hax and has zero ap which makes no sense since its an ATTACK that does DAMAGE

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

alr having this discussion with Castorice in dms

Can't exactly read your dms, can i?
point is it's dura neg

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

apparently decay is only a hax and has zero ap which makes no sense since its an ATTACK that does DAMAGE

it turns things to ash. It's not ap, just like how acid doesn't have ap rating cuz it melt things and negates dura

 

[JoeDM021]

Can't exactly read your dms, can i?
point is it's dura neg

js saying im already talking with cast about it in dms cuz u said the exact same thing he said initially in that msg

Also no dura neg attacks can have ap bruh what is this? like if decay is destroying the planet your telling me "nah thats js dura neg hax bro absolutely no ap or dc there!" nah bruh link me a page saying dura negs dont have ap rn

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

yeah guys, this is 100% A.P and not literally a way of deconstruction that negates all for of durability

 

[JoeDM021]

yeah guys, this is 100% A.P and not literally a way of deconstruction that negates all for of durability

never said its 100% ap gng im saying it can be both dura neg and have ap

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

js saying im already talking with cast about it in dms cuz u said the exact same thing he said initially in that msg

Also no dura neg attacks can have ap bruh what is this? like if decay is destroying the planet your telling me "nah thats js dura neg hax bro absolutely no ap or dc there!" nah bruh link me a page saying dura negs dont have ap rn

Pause and think this over. Why would something that can kill anything regardless of durabilty have no rating in ap? cuz it don't need it
Also, this is on shigaraki's profile in AP, "Can ignore conventional durability (His Decay can disintegrate any physical material)"

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

"doesn't have DC"
Uh, yes it does? It's even rated on profile, "up to Kilometers with Decay (Destroyed a considerable portion of Jaku City)" and "up to Thousands of Kilometers with Decay (Stated to be able to decay the entirety of Japan's 378,000 square kilometers, leaving nothing but sea and sky)"

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Giving Decay a rating of AP would basically be saying, "Well, it's dura neg but only to this level"

 

[Kingofwolves999]

apparently decay is only a hax and has zero ap which makes no sense since its an ATTACK that does DAMAGE

You do not need to have Attack Potency to deal damage.

Attack Potency is rated in force, via tons of tnt it can be compared to. If an attack has no force, but does damage, it cannot be rated for attack potency.

Fire does not have an attack potency, it burns you. Todoroki Family have ratings with flashfire because it has force that hurts people alongside the heat.

Acid does not have an attack potency, it melts you. Mina’s Alma blocked Machia with the force of her throwing it hence why it has a rating (and I kinda disagree with it having one)

Decay does not have an attack potency, it deconstructs you. There is no strength requirement or physical force behind it. It just deconstructs you. If Season 1 Shigaraki grabbed Prime All Might who did nothing to resist, he would kill him because Decay ignores your durability. Durability only matters when being contested by Attack Potency, which Decay does not have.

 

[JoeDM021]

Pause and think this over. Why would something that can kill anything regardless of durabilty have no rating in ap? cuz it don't need it
Also, this is on shigaraki's profile in AP, "Can ignore conventional durability (His Decay can disintegrate any physical material)"

doesn't need to have ap listed but can and does technically have ap

 

[Yunoo]

Deku no resistió la decadencia sino el ataque del alma de Shigaraki en el mundo vestigio porque pudo seguir imaginando que las manos de su alma permanecían, literalmente puedes ver sus manos decayendo.

Deku estaba literalmente preocupado por acercarse a Shigaraki porque la descomposición es muerte instantánea, ¿qué estamos haciendo?

CI think we can add the context that at that moment Shigaraki was using Decay uncontrollably.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

doesn't need to have ap listed but can and does technically have ap

No, it does not.

Attack Potency on this wiki means it is rated in terms of force via tons of tnt.

There is no tnt value you can give Decay. It has no force. It just deconstructs you.

 

[JoeDM021]

No, it does not.

Attack Potency on this wiki means it is rated in terms of force via tons of tnt.

There is no tnt value you can give Decay. It has no force. It just deconstructs you.

this would be right if it was smth like a creation hax but decay is shown to cause real damage

lets take the shigaraki decaying the city scene for example he arguably atomically decays the city due to how decay works (Whether he actually did it atomically is up for debate due to how decay works but thats a different scene) in this case we take the portion of the city he decayed and use atomic destruction to get the joule output for this attack