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Madness Combat Discussion Thread: Redeemer

CitRusReality64 said:
It would be nice also for all kinds of characters.
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I want to make a project: gestalt render but he's just too damn big and he's not supposed to be playable, making him difficult to use to get said render since doing certain actions while playing as gestalt just breaks the game completely.
 
I realized that S-3LF Eater can be argued to have Conceptual, Informational and Logic based invulnerability. MF is going to be the most unkillable character in his tier
 
Employe said:
I realized that S-3LF Eater can be argued to have Conceptual, Informational and Logic based invulnerability. MF is going to be the most unkillable character in his tier
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I mean he is already the most unkilllable character in the franchise
 
Employe said:
I disagree. The Machine, The Maker and potentially The Employers and Arena Protagonists are more unkillable
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The S-3LF Eater has the same immortalities as The Machine, just as a tier 8 instead of a tier 1.

He's genuinely just a giant brick wall.
 
Employe said:
By the way, I was planning to revamp The Auditor once and again (it is not completed of course)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Employe/The_Auditor

I also updated my blog
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I also think The Auditor should have High-Godly. Since Dissonance would have Information & Concept hax and The Auditor regenerated from being blown up. Also, I feel like the avatar should have fate and causality hax, since the avatar is the one who operates in Nevada. I think it's also possible to give NEP
 
I was considering NEP, maybe will add it later

As for dissonant thing I don't entirely agree, I actually suspect that Tricky being dissonant is a main reason why The Auditor received these scars
 
Employe said:
I was considering NEP, maybe will add it later

As for dissonant thing I don't entirely agree, I actually suspect that Tricky being dissonant is a main reason why The Auditor received these scars
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So, I noticed a little detail from MC12 that says something about the auditor being 4-D I think

Krinkels has stated that The Auditor's fire projection is like a fourth-dimensional material. So I think this would be referring to The Avatar
 
It is far too vague also lowkey ruins our scaling but there are probably ways to scale Employers to Low 1-C either way even without that one 5D statement
 
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Employe said:
It is far too vague also lowkey ruins out scaling but there are probably ways to scale Employers to Low 1-C either way even without that one 5D statement
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well fair enough.
I think that viewing nevada as a dream scan should still be used here to support Low 1-C though.
 
Hank gave everyone free will in MC1, when he defied the orders and choose for himself to kill someone, is not the act of killing someone that gave him free will, it is the fact that he choose that.
 
We potentially have another evidence of dissonant harming The Machine, since dissonant is considered to be a weakness of The Machine's robots and Grand Steward in the game
 
Alright, Logic Manipulation is getting nuked from the series, however people do seem to be contend with Plot and Information Hax

I'm also still confident on pushing Concept Type 1 and already rewrote my reasoning and evidence on it which to my knowledge should be enough to prove The Machine being a Concept Type 1
 
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Also, after reevaulating stuff for a bit while, I'm now ABSOLUTELY confident that The Nowhere has Type 2 NEP and The Maker most likely has Type 2 Layered
 
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@Comiphorous after thinking more, I think The Auditor should have High Godly on the basis of him being able to revive and restore his body after Tricky "killed" him, since Tricky presumably killed him with dissonant reality which is going to have Concept, Information and Narrative Manipulations

Opinions?
 
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Employe said:
@Comiphorous after thinking more, I think The Auditor should have High Gpdly on the basis of him being able to revive and restore his body after Tricky "killed" him, since Tricky presumably killed him with dissonant reality which is going to have Concept, Information and Narrative Manipulations

Opinions?
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i feel this relies on the auditor dying in mc10, which you can't exactly prove as the same auditor appears later in 11 with scars on his back. (or you can't prove that it is a new auditor after dying, either way) I think a mod would shoot it down.
 
Comiphorous said:
i feel this relies on the auditor dying in mc10, which you can't exactly prove as the same auditor appears later in 11 with scars on his back. (or you can't prove that it is a new auditor after dying, either way) I think a mod would shoot it down.
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I also want to say that Magic might innately have 3 layers of Information/Plot/Concept Manipulation because

1. It is stated to sterm from the raw connection with The Machine (1 layer)
2. Described to bend structural logic (2 layer)
3. Stated to tear the universal fabric upon which creatures are written (3 layer)

While the last description is only present in Thaumaturge's description, it is heavily implied that all types of magic are actually extensions of Thaumaturge
 
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