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Lightsaber. Skill slop wont really matter if Julius ends up getting sliced to bits
You realize this is basically what Julius' magic is, right? Except alongside heat that shears though everything it has an abundance of hax... and he coats his whole body in it as well... and unleashes it as aoe magic. The lightsabers seem to have a higher heat value so I would say they can break through it, but for both of them it will be whoever lands a hit first and, well... without restraining Julius with the force that matchup is not even remotely close.
 
ou realize this is basically what Julius' magic is, right? Except alongside heat that shears though everything it has an abundance of hax... and he coats his whole body in it as well... and unleashes it as aoe magic. The lightsabers seem to have a higher heat value so I would say they can break through it, but for both of them it will be whoever lands a hit first and, well... without restraining Julius with the force that matchup is not even remotely close.
If it's Obi-Wan, he won't resort to restraining Julius with the force.
 
I meant he can cut straight through his sword like nothing
Julius is gonna be almost blitz level faster with his debuff and buff combo, he could also paralyse him or change the terrain to his favor as he fights. He could also totally **** him up by just launching a ranged attack even if his sword is sliced in half

i am voting julius
 
Julius only has a speed advantage over Al Clauzeria. His speed buffs aren’t listed as being strong enough to allow for a blitz. Vader also has several ways to increase his speed.

Vader can paralyze Julius with a single thought. And what does it matter if Vader gets paralyzed? He has TK; paralyzing him will just make Vader snap Julius’s neck faster.

Change the environment? Dude, thought-based planetary TK.

They start 4 km apart, and Julius has superhuman travel speed with a range of tens of meters. It’ll take minutes for Julius to reach Vader.
 
Obi-Wan's premonition warns that he will be killed if he engages in physical combat, and then he uses a force crush on him.

Voting for Obi-Wan.
 
Obi-Wan's premonition warns that he will be killed if he engages in physical combat, and then he uses a force crush on him.

Voting for Obi-Wan.
has his premonition worked in combat? cuz i tried looking for a scan and couldnt find anything

Moreover, how is he gonna deal with an attack that is coming at him at 24x his speed which is gonna one shot him while he is debuffed by yin magic, Julius being buffed by yang magic which is gonna create a marginal speed difference. Add on top of this the fact that Julius can fight at the speed of thought, with no delay between thought and action. Such fighters in the verse are specifically stated to be able to constantly exploit those who cannot do the same.

Realistically, Julius just launches his Al clauzaria to one shot him before he even decides to precog him.
 
Obi-Wan is willing to kill and knows he will die if he engages in physical confrontation.
Maul,Grevous, Vader...
Being determined to kill is different from using things like Force Choke. Force Choke is a form of telekinesis corrupted by the dark side. Not that a Jedi can't use it (Luke uses it, Obi-Wan used it against droids), but they aren't instructed to use it, and rarely do, especially on living beings.

has his premonition worked in combat? cuz i tried looking for a scan and couldnt find anything

Moreover, how is he gonna deal with an attack that is coming at him at 24x his speed which is gonna one shot him while he is debuffed by yin magic, Julius being buffed by yang magic which is gonna create a marginal speed difference. Add on top of this the fact that Julius can fight at the speed of thought, with no delay between thought and action. Such fighters in the verse are specifically stated to be able to constantly exploit those who cannot do the same.

Realistically, Julius just launches his Al clauzaria to one shot him before he even decides to precog him.
Yes, it works in combat, and it's not something you can "activate," it's more of a passive power.

This whole yin and yang thing is the same as Ebb/Flow. Obi-Wan can strengthen himself in various ways while weakening the enemy.

You know, the fact that there's no difference between thinking and acting isn't very relevant since Jedi, when guided by the Force (something basic, the first thing they learn to do), achieve the following: The Force instinctively guides and warns the user of impending danger, sharpening their perception so that the world seems to move in slow motion and enabling effortless reactions without conscious thought, acting as a passive, automatic defense.
 
I won't be very involved in this vsthread because I'm more familiar with Vader in terms of discussion. Besides, it's kind of complicated since, well, Jedi are more defensive than offensive, unlike the Sith. I won't comment on who I think wins or loses, I'll only answer questions about powers and other things.
 
has his premonition worked in combat? cuz i tried looking for a scan and couldnt find anything
All users of the force have instinctive action and premonition accepted in the profile; it is not only applicable in combat but is also passive.
Moreover, how is he gonna deal with an attack that is coming at him at 24x his speed which is gonna one shot him while he is debuffed by yin magic, Julius being buffed by yang magic which is gonna create a marginal speed difference. Add on top of this the fact that Julius can fight at the speed of thought, with no delay between thought and action. Such fighters in the verse are specifically stated to be able to constantly exploit those who cannot do the same.
An attack at the speed of light won't do any problem since he can block multiple REL+ shots at the same time (to be more specific, he's much more skilled than someone who can block hundreds of REL+ shots at the same time).
Realistically, Julius just launches his Al clauzaria to one shot him before he even decides to precog him.
is passive
 
I just don't really get the argument that, knowing he is certain to die otherwise, using force choke would necessarily be out of character. The only argument I could see for that is maybe he can see Julius is a good guy and respects him too much to do that despite them coming into conflict. He's no Maul or Vader after all. But if it were someone like Maul or Vader and they were capable of effortlessly killing him in close quarters combat I don't buy him refusing to use the force choke.

But then can't Obi-Wan also just mind trick Julius into submission anyway? Maybe not if it's really just restricted to the weak minded.
 
I just don't really get the argument that, knowing he is certain to die otherwise, using force choke would necessarily be out of character. The only argument I could see for that is maybe he can see Julius is a good guy and respects him too much to do that despite them coming into conflict. He's no Maul or Vader after all. But if it were someone like Maul or Vader and they were capable of effortlessly killing him in close quarters combat I don't buy him refusing to use the force choke.
He doesn't necessarily need to kill him; he can just immobilize him with TK.
But then can't Obi-Wan also just mind trick Julius into submission anyway? Maybe not if it's really just restricted to the weak minded.
He has no resistance to mind manipulation, so the mental trick would work.
 
But then can't Obi-Wan also just mind trick Julius into submission anyway?
He can. Mainly because Obi-Wan also has the restrictive mind trick which includes "even subverting his enemy's desire to use their abilities against him".

But it's a very "he can but he also can't" situation.

Technically, what a Jedi should follow is to be more defensive and, if possible, avoid conflict, so simply trying to avoid conflict from the start would be a Jedi thing to do.

But it's not like it was Obi-Wan's initial move.
 
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The disrespect with my man Obi-Wan ;-;
 
Yes, it works in combat, and it's not something you can "activate," it's more of a passive power.

This whole yin and yang thing is the same as Ebb/Flow. Obi-Wan can strengthen himself in various ways while weakening the enemy.
How big of a difference does the Ebb/flow thing make? Would he start with it?
You know, the fact that there's no difference between thinking and acting isn't very relevant since Jedi, when guided by the Force (something basic, the first thing they learn to do), achieve the following: The Force instinctively guides and warns the user of impending danger, sharpening their perception so that the world seems to move in slow motion and enabling effortless reactions without conscious thought, acting as a passive, automatic defense.
ReZero has something similar, they get a perception boost in battle.
Wilhelm can slow down his perception of time, intensifying his focus, making sound, color, and everything other than his opponent fade from the world, giving himself time to avoid attacks

An attack at the speed of light won't do any problem since he can block multiple REL+ shots at the same time (to be more specific, he's much more skilled than someone who can block hundreds of REL+ shots at the same time).
Gang, speed is equalized, they are NOT rel+ rn. That feat is not valid for this.

Anyways, precog is pretty useless if you cannot react to the attack and so far i have seen nothing that could stop the 24x faster attack
 
How big of a difference does the Ebb/flow thing make? Would he start with it?
It happens when you are guided by the Force. And being followed by the Force is the most basic thing a Jedi learns.

Also, due to spirits Julius does resist mind manipulation. However, its not properly indexed.

his profile is extremely outdated
So update it. We can't use this until it's updated.
 
Anyways, precog is pretty useless if you cannot react to the attack and so far i have seen nothing that could stop the 24x faster attack
even if he could not react to the attack itself, he would still know its coming and make preparations like summoning a force barrier or just force push Julius to interupt him.
 
even if he could not react to the attack itself, he would still know its coming and make preparations like summoning a force barrier or just force push Julius to interupt him.
AC is dura neg so the force barrier probably gets negged too, Julius literally adapted to fighting through someone else's senses, he isn't gonna stop just because he got pushed.
 
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