Lookism Discussion Thread

[Foriaa]

I have an idea of what a tier list could look like.

Do you want to send it?

 

[DivineAura44]

I said 8-C, not High 8-C.

TUI is 3x base Gun.

So Goo, who is relative to Base Gun, would be 1/3 of whatever TUI Gun’s ap is currently.

TUI is not 3x Base Gun, TUI is >= 3x Base Gun. We can't scale everyone to 1/3 because we dont know exactly how strong TUI Gun is.

The Goku example doesn't work because SSJ3 has a stated and confirmed multiplier.

 

[Pyro9278]

Do you want to send it?

I don't have anything written down, so it's just an idea in mind, but following the current scale and in a rather simplified way, it would be:

Prime Gap/Shingen > Old Gap ~ Kitae Kim ~ Jinyoung (With his Path) ~ Lil Daniel UI/Durability with Awakening ~ Perfect Daniel UI ~ Gun True UI ~ James Lee (Current) > Johan with Path? (Possibly higher) > Old Jinyoung ~ Old Tom Lee ~ Base Gun ~ Goo > 1st Gen High Kings/2nd Gen Crews Heads > Gen 2 and 1

I emphasize, this is an ultra-simplified scale and I am not assuming minimal differences but characters who can consistently exchange attacks with each other depending on their actions and certain statements.

 

[Pyro9278]

There are many things to review, such as Lil Daniel possibly scaling alongside Johan as the pinnacle of the second generation, knowing exactly where the second generation and the first generation in general would rank, and also that the scale is currently changing and many characters are being left behind.

 

[Foriaa]

Kitae scaling is a little weird, firstly Jinyeong states that he's a monster in the same realm and Gap and Shingen, and the image used is them in their primes. But when Jinyeong uses a conviction punch that isn't even full powered, it nearly knocked out Kitae.

 

[Reiner04]

I am p sure Gun and James scales to Kitae even w/o using path or UI. Wonder what mess scaling chain will be when its revealed.

 

[Reiner04]

Chapter 604 spoiler:

 

[Viott]

Kitae scaling is a little weird, firstly Jinyeong states that he's a monster in the same realm and Gap and Shingen, and the image used is them in their primes. But when Jinyeong uses a conviction punch that isn't even full powered, it nearly knocked out Kitae.

I think Jinyoung's power has increased.

 

[Pyro9278]

Kitae scaling is a little weird, firstly Jinyeong states that he's a monster in the same realm and Gap and Shingen, and the image used is them in their primes. But when Jinyeong uses a conviction punch that isn't even full powered, it nearly knocked out Kitae.

The most accurate statement would be that he most likely would have survived, considering that a copy of Perfect Daniel UI wasn't enough to defeat him even after fighting Jinyoung. Now, when Jinyoung says that Kitae is in the same realm as Gap and Shingen, I don't believe he's inherently at their level, but he's close to them, which should at least make him comparable to Old Gap.

 

[Pyro9278]

I am p sure Gun and James scales to Kitae even w/o using path or UI. Wonder what mess scaling chain will be when its revealed.

I'm starting to believe the same, since James mentions that if Kitae weren't around and Gun were free, he would be the king of the Underworld, and he was also speaking in terms of strength.

 

[Viott]

Chapter 604 spoiler:

LOL

 

[Foriaa]

Wtf was this chapter

Someone needs to kill Kitae

 

[Juask]

terrible

 

[Juask]

 

[Foriaa]

I take back what I said about Kitae, this dude might be #2

 

[Juask]

 

[Foriaa]

Agreed, however we need more evidence to place it on profiles.

 

[Foriaa]

Take this with a grain of salt, its from the Lookism telegram but it outright confirms Kitae's path

Kim Hitae: Amazing. Is this the path of the Mirror King? He's so strong, even though he's not yet complete.
Kim Hitae: It feels like that battle isn't over yet.

Kim Hitae: Uncle.
Kim Hitae: I know you're burning your body right now. But don't worry.
Kim Hitae: I won't fight by stalling for time.

Park Jin-yeon: (Even in this state, I can't deal any damage to him?)
Park Jin-yeon: (Really... This bastard's path..!)

Kim Hitae: It seems, uncle, that this is your limit. Do you want to stake everything on one strike?
Park Jin-yeon: (The body..! No. I have to hold on! I

 

[Pyro9278]

If this is true, then Kitae has a monstrous AD, since he went from 9-A+ to High 8-C (a 10x difference, btw) after surviving the copy of Gapryong's fist and the copy of Perfect Daniel UI.

Btw, I think this brings back the Path>Pathless argument, right?

 

[CatLover313]

If this is true, then Kitae has a monstrous AD, since he went from 9-A+ to High 8-C (a 10x difference, btw) after surviving the copy of Gapryong's fist and the copy of Perfect Daniel UI.

Btw, I think this brings back the Path>Pathless argument, right?

Kitae is confirmed to have a path this chapter, but we could still argue UI Lil Daniel > Lil Daniel with Path?

Also, let’s not forget the monster that was glazed last two chapters, PB UI Daniel

 

[Pyro9278]

Kitae is confirmed to have a path this chapter, but we could still argue UI Lil Daniel > Lil Daniel with Path?

Also, let’s not forget the monster that was glazed last two chapters, PB UI Daniel

That complicates things a bit, because we have to remember that Lil Daniel still has a lot of work to do on his path. So it would be: PB UI Daniel > Lil UI Daniel > Lil Daniel with his path.

 

[Viott]

Kitae Kim is a complete monster.

 

[Reiner04]

Incomplete path is not as strong as complete path is for sure as has been implied by everyone across these chapters. Daniel and Park Jin-yeon are incomplete path users.

 

[Viott]

 

[Keshirou]

Kitae path is 100% confirmed and he shown his absolute strength
Very interesting, what Path does James have.

 

[Pyro9278]

Incomplete path is not as strong as complete path is for sure as has been implied by everyone across these chapters. Daniel and Park Jin-yeon are incomplete path users.

And everything seems to indicate that Johan is also an incomplete Path user.

By the way, couldn't we calculate the crater Jinyoung created in this episode? It seems much more destructive than his copy of Gap's Fist.

 

[Viott]

Sure.

 

[Reiner04]

Btw, the reason Gun got so injured in HFG arc could be because he doesn't dodge, while UI dodges attacks if possible.

 

[Pyro9278]

Btw, the reason Gun got so injured in HFG arc could be because he doesn't dodge, while UI dodges attacks if possible.

Gun is known for overusing his stamina, yet he kept dodging Goo, and when an attack proved too much, like Johan's, he still dodged. I'd say it was more about the situation. You know that guy does everything for the love of the game.

 

[Pyro9278]

Btw should we consider shockwaves as hax? I know they're often used as an aesthetic element in manhwa, but they're quite common and could also explain why some punches have that pulverizing/vaporizing effect.

 

[CatLover313]

Btw should we consider shockwaves as hax? I know they're often used as an aesthetic element in manhwa, but they're quite common and could also explain why some punches have that pulverizing/vaporizing effect.

I saw that Hudson had it on his profile, could probably have more characters with it (Gun and Gap come to mind). Idt shockwave creation really changes anything in versus matches but it def counts as a hax that many would have.

By the way, couldn't we calculate the crater Jinyoung created in this episode? It seems much more destructive than his copy of Gap's Fist.

Just got it calc’d and accepted. The one he did like 2-3 chapters ago was more impressive ngl

 

[Pyro9278]

I saw that Hudson had it on his profile, could probably have more characters with it (Gun and Gap come to mind). Idt shockwave creation really changes anything in versus matches but it def counts as a bad that many would have.

I say this because we could see characters capable of causing damage beyond simple bruises. For example, Daniel is able to pierce and even burn Paecheon Jo's chest, and the attack even extended to his back. Gun made a series of attacks that achieved the same effect on Johan's body, and Gapryong is able to create a shockwave that also vaporized a huge metal door.

Just got it calc’d and accepted. The one he did like 2-3 chapters ago was more impressive ngl

I thought the current one would be more destructive. Perhaps another method can be used, but in the meantime, we can say that Jinyoung's Path scales to High 8-C.

 

[Pyro9278]

I've already started indexing skills on a blog. I'll begin with masteries, unique skills, and own path. As I mentioned, the latter two will be indexed in character profiles, but the masteries are already defined.

I'll be indexing the references and scans over time. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Attacking outside of field of view does not count as invisibility or perception hax

It's the same as you attacking someone from behind, you attack them outside of their FOV but you don't get invisibility or perception hax, do you?

 

[Pyro9278]

Attacking outside of field of view does not count as invisibility or perception hax

It's the same as you attacking someone from behind, you attack them outside of their FOV but you don't get invisibility or perception hax, do you?

I would normally say the same thing, except that for some reason both James and Sinu attack everywhere except the enemy's blind spots. Furthermore, it's not only because of this that it's being considered invisibility, but also because it's a mastery intended for that very purpose. It is, undeniably, a hax.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I would normally say the same thing, except that for some reason both James and Sinu attack everywhere except the enemy's blind spots.

This happens all the time in fiction

Kengan Asura has this as well, yet we don't count as such, this is just manhwa failing to do right portrayals

Furthermore, it's not only because of this that it's being considered invisibility, but also because it's a mastery intended for that very purpose. It is, undeniably, a hax.

it's just a speed boost

 

[CatLover313]

I've already started indexing skills on a blog. I'll begin with masteries, unique skills, and own path. As I mentioned, the latter two will be indexed in character profiles, but the masteries are already defined.

I'll be indexing the references and scans over time. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

For the Mastery tabber, you mind if we split it a bit (not a different entire tab but still in the mastery tabber) for the 4 common masteries? Because while Lookism fans would know that each ability isn't for every mastery, it would help people who don't know about the series, the different mastery types, and their specific abilities.

I can also help occasionally with getting scans

 

[Pyro9278]

This happens all the time in fiction

Kengan Asura has this as well, yet we don't count as such, this is just manhwa failing to do right portrayals

it's just a speed boost

And yet it remains a skill whose proficiency must be indexed, as it's the same case as when a character (most often a martial artist) has "Duraneg" under the "Limited" category. It's not for nothing that it's written as "Pseudo-Invisibility."

AI is both a maneuver that bypasses the enemy's perception and a speed boost to blitz levels, even for comparable opponents.

 

[Pyro9278]

For the Mastery tabber, you mind if we split it a bit (not a different entire tab but still in the mastery tabber) for the 4 common masteries? Because while Lookism fans would know that each ability isn't for every mastery, it would help people who don't know about the series, the different mastery types, and their specific abilities.

I thought about leaving them all in the same tab since they don't have much complexity on their own, but it's true, I plan to indicate what each one does when I make the descriptions.

 

[Pyro9278]

I can also help occasionally with getting scans

It would be very helpful to get scans showing the origins of the mastery or at least some explanation. PTJ has had them for years and still hasn't fully explained how they work