Great, we're making a CRT to remove it, it's not happening and there's a method to calculate it without making the assumption.
I'm a little late but why can't Viltrumite's scale to the feat? The ship is supposedly one collations worst, so if they causally have that kind of fire power and it was enough to hurt a Viltrumite, they should never have struggled with the Viltrumite threat
There isn't a feat in the first place, the missiles are not responsible for the big explosion that the Solar Disk scales to
What? No. It exploded a compontent inside the Sun Disk, and it caused IT to explode, the missiles are probably continental at best. How is that ED, it relied on the Sun Disk being an unstable hunk of metal.
The fact it took two little explosions less than 5% its total size to cause a chain reaction is proof it was unstable. It never exploded before because it was placed near the sun where basically nothing could bother it.
Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr the missiles are just THAT potent. They have zero feats apart from this and there's nothing in the show (nor the comics for that matter) establishing the disk to be unstable; in fact prior context would speak against that in the first place.
Hencewhy either A. It's ED or B. Viltrumites are just that durable thanks to the statement about having no weapons that can harm them. Plus we don't know their effects on the atmosphere because they have no other feats.
My calc accounts for the distance between the star and the disk. It's enough to keep it out of it's Roche Limit which would be around 2.28 solar radii
I actually did a quick calculation of the missiles explosions off site and found that there still in the low exaton range.
I have no clue what that acronym stands for, so probably not.
They are not. We see the explosion created by them, it's miniscule.
Sapphire, I don't think you know what Environmental Destruction means, it stands for abilities or potencies that can cause a level of destruction over time. Causing a machine to explode from its own internal energy is hardly a feat of ED.
Inverse Square Law, where you upscale a smaller attack from a bigger, weaker attack and thus finding the overall energy density. This can also be done in reverse where a bigger, stronger attack is compared to a smaller, weaker attack causing it.
That's the chain reaction from the two smaller explosions, that doesn't necessarily mean the disk itself was an unstable construct, the smaller explosions were just potent enough to cause the third massive one to even happen.
This is very much potency (two missiles) that causes a level of destruction overtime (the third explosion). By your own definition, that's a chain reaction and also ED.
Oh, I actually do know about that, I've just have never seen anyone abrieviate it. I actually just measured the distance the initial missile explosions covered using your found size of the sun disk as the reference. Using the basic airburst explosion formula I got a value of 4-10 exatons for each missile.
But have you considered Thragg headbutted and hit Nolan and Mark so hard there were visible shockwaves animated while in space? Clearly in Invincible space isnt a pure vacuum but just has 0.00000001% air, gg ez
Inverse Square Law.
I assume you used Sapphire's calc to measure the disk and thus the explosion?
There's no reference for J in this instance.
I figured it wouldn't apply to space. Regardless, I can do the whole ISL method but the problem is that after the missiles fade we see zero visible damage on the sun disk. I was gonna lowball it by using psi values but since that doesnt work in space, I guess my only option is that. I'm sure it was just me being overly cautious as its likely just that way to save on animation.
It's not a claim, we have a valid piece of evidence proving it's a chain reaction.
The level of destruction overtime doesn't happen unless the disk is present. Also, it's not overtime, it's a cascade effect and RELIES on an object that the missiles won't have access to.
You can't use that, the missiles don't scale to it.
He wants to push it 0.05 AU, not to Venus anyway.
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You misunderstood what I said.
Uhhh... the extra explosion it's very likely just visual flair to make the scene smother, it's a common VFX trick because one realistic blast would look too quick/underwhelming. It's probably not intended outside of that use
Me when I make claims that cannot be substantiated.
Afaics, there are three explosion on the sun disc after missles hit, so why are we assuming that two missiles didn't cause the bigger explosions of the three?
Isn't this calc forgetting about thermal energy?Here:
Solar Disk: 169px = 1013924803.23m
Explosion: 139px = (139/169)*1013924803.23 = 833938152m
Volume of a half-sphere: V = (2/3)πr³ or (2/3) x π x (833938152/2)^3 = 1.51834392e26m3
E = V x u
u is the energy density.
We treat the fireball as a radiating sphere, assuming the temperature by the color (Yellow is 4000 Kelvin)
Now we use radiation energy density
For a blackbody radiation field:
u=aT^4
a = radiation constant = 7.5657×10^-16 J/m³·K⁴
T is the temperature.
u = 7.5657×10^-16 x (4000^4) = 0.19368192 Joules per meter cubed
E = 0.19368192 x 1.51834392e26 = 2.94075766e25 Joules or 7 Petatons (Multi-Continent level)
We can't really argue the visuals don't count then use said visuals as the basis for a calculation (as it seems to be the case here). These are mutually exclusive claims.
Because it's two missiles, and the trigger of the third explosion was in the middle of the disk, likely its core. That's textbook cascade effect.
You can't prove that.
It's a lowball, it's only calculating the radiation. I doubt the thermal energy will make a big difference.
Of course, we agree. But since no one is arguing that, it should be fine.
I agree, hence the rest of my comment brings up the difference between the feat's destruction in the comic and the show. It's further evidence for a chain reaction being the intended method of destruction for the show.
