Aeons are not a victim to Sunday + Quick Irontomb hotfix (Honkai: Star Rail)

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I'm sorry for the misinterpretation but not constantly being at your full power isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying its out of character for him not to immediately destroy something as 'He is obsessed with the final moment of annihilation - the beauty of absolute erasure.' - He will do what it takes to achieve these things, regardless of if it's his FP or not. It's in character for him to annihilate everything, other characters put him as the most merciful Lord Ravager because he gives a death without pain.

Now, why would he hold back against Welt when he is trying to annihilate everything - 'Because Welt doesn't require his FP' - Then explain how their attacks clash and cause larger destruction than what Zepyhro is capable of alone. This destruction feat implies Welt's power IS significant and them clashing implies they are comparable. If Zephyro was holding back wouldn't it be in character for him to use his FP because he's 'obsessed with the final moment of annihilation' and 'the beauty of absolute erasure'?

These aren't statements for someone who would hold back because they enjoy being contested. That's why I'm saying it's out of character. Even if you don't believe all this, you'd need to prove he's holding back, which you can't do because there's no statements for him holding back against Welt here.

Broskie I’m gonna be so real. I don’t really care for the full topic right now and will go back to it later. (Literally I didn’t realize this was Nether’s thread)

What I care right now and am currently arguing against is that Zephyro doing random shit for the funny is somehow an anti feat against the lord ravagers statement.

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

What I care right now and am currently arguing against is that Zephyro doing random shit for the funny is somehow an anti feat against the lord ravagers statement.

I'm saying it taking time is an antifeat because it'd be a mischaracterisation to argue that 'he can suddenly go FP and do it in one shot' - Why wouldn't he destroy the galaxy as quickly as he can? You can apply the same reasons as above. You can argue that he sees beauty in the destruction of singular planets, which is fair, but there's still nothing to imply he can one-tap a galaxy without taking time. We also, like scoops said, have no idea how long the feats take for galaxy destruction or if they happen in one shot. I personally believe they take time, but we can agree to disagree on this.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I'm saying it taking time is an antifeat because it'd be a mischaracterisation to argue that 'he can suddenly go FP and do it in one shot' - You can apply the same reasons as above.

This only works if you think Zephyro’s full power caps at planetary weather ecosystem destruction level or genuinely think his serious attempt was limited at that.

It is not a anti feat and this is literally Zephyro doing it for the funny.

Also what mischaracterization? Because of the statement? His shit and giggles destruction methods doesn’t contradict that statement because they’re all dead instantly and not tortured.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Btw that addition wasn’t supposed to mention Zephyro at all

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

This only works if you think Zephyro’s full power caps at planetary weather ecosystem destruction level or genuinely think his serious attempt was limited at that.

It is not a anti feat and this is literally Zephyro doing it for the funny.

Also what mischaracterization? Because of the statement? His shit and giggles destruction methods doesn’t contradict that statement because they’re all dead instantly and not tortured.

MB had to edit my shi. That single line wasn't good at explaining what I meant.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Why wouldn't he destroy the galaxy as quickly as he can? You can apply the same reasons as above. You can argue that he sees beauty in the destruction of singular planets, which is fair, but there's still nothing to imply he can one-tap a galaxy without taking time. We also, like scoops said, have no idea how long the feats take for galaxy destruction or if they happen in one shot. I personally believe they take time, but we can agree to disagree on this.

Yeah pretty much I was arguing he didnt slime the entire galaxy on the spot because he sees the beauty in destroying. Which is backed by his inefficient destruction methods which were not close to his full power (or atleast known full power)

Also wiki doesnt require a timeftame for said destruction from statements. The lord ravagers having multiple statements of being able to slime galaxies alone is enough to scale them to baseline 3-C. It assumes baseline 3-c unless its proven otherwise that they are weaker than 3-c or above 3-C.

For example, in this case, it would be a lord ravagers trying their hardest to slime an entire galaxy within a timeframe. Which we currently still don’t have despite these statements being from like 2023. Zephyro here wouldnt count since he was savoring the destruction. Wouldn’t have fun if everything was already gone.

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

Yeah pretty much I was arguing he didnt slime the entire galaxy on the spot because he sees the beauty in destroying. Which is backed by his inefficient destruction methods which were not close to his full power (or atleast known full power)

That is fair and I won't disagree with that. It just seems strange to go 'Zephyro isn't using his FP in this clash' regardless. If we take his highest being galaxy level then the clash destroying the universe is fine, and Welt scaling to somewhat relative should also be fine. It's just that Acheron doesn't have any higher scaling (which lets be honest, we'll get in the future, we haven't seen her FP).

Also wiki doesnt require a timeframe for said destruction from statements. The lord ravagers having multiple statements of being able to slime galaxies alone is enough to scale them to baseline 3-C. It assumes baseline 3-c unless its proven otherwise that they are weaker than 3-c or above 3-C.

I do see why the wiki is like that, it does just seem like a weird outlier that it possibly took bro a full AE to do so.

For example, in this case, it would be a lord ravagers trying their hardest to slime an entire galaxy within a timeframe. Which we currently still don’t have despite these statements being from like 2023. Zephyro here wouldnt count since he was savoring the destruction. Wouldn’t have fun if everything was already gone.

I do hope the scaling gets more concrete because IIRC at some point the statement is 'overlords of the anti-matter legion' and I don't recall them ever being called overlords again lmao. We know Irontomb scales to universal ignoring weird translations.

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

Like genuinely I'm fine with Zephyro being galaxy level, don't care, I just think it's utter downplay to say Welt isn't at least somewhat comparable in this scene. If you want Acheron to scale higher than Welt, WHICH IS FAIR, you'll genuinely just have to wait for Acheron SP + Device IX arc or her to fight Zephyro (will happen).

it is literally just an unfortunate implication of that scene + we haven't seen acheron's FP.

 

[Mbpoops]

Like genuinely I'm fine with Zephyro being galaxy level, don't care, I just think it's utter downplay to say Welt isn't at least somewhat comparable in this scene. If you want Acheron to scale higher than Welt, WHICH IS FAIR, you'll genuinely just have to wait for Acheron SP + Device IX arc or her to fight Zephyro (will happen).

it is literally just an unfortunate implication of that scene + we haven't seen acheron's FP.

Fully agree with this btw

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

Can we close this thread because Nova's CRT is dealing with the Zephyro Welt scaling? OFC once you get the 2nd vote for the original idea. It'd prob be best to remove the Zephyro stuff.