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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

No, I do not, but many of the scans together certainly create a pattern to severely debunk our 1-A Galactus rating as being ridiculously exaggerated in the other direction. 🙏
Considering how much of a jobber the writers tend to write Galan as these days, perhaps we can separate him into Classic/Modern?
 
Crazy, almost like Galactus varies in power and he is much weaker whenever he is starving.
1-A is still so ridiculously high that it doesn't seem to make any sense for almost all of the Marvel Comic characters who have it. There are too many antifeats for them. 🙏
 
1-A is still so ridiculously high that it doesn't seem to make any sense for almost all of the Marvel Comic characters who have it. There are too many antifeats for them. 🙏
This is why I'm doing a completely from scratch analysis of one of our most important scaling linchpins, taking every feat, antifeat, and fight into account. I just finished going through Base Thor's AP scans this morning, and it's actually very consistent that he can slug it out with 1-A characters and affect cosmic structures on that level when he's going all out. I'm working on Durability now, but the full update will be in another month or two when I've got everything classified.
 
This is why I'm doing a completely from scratch analysis of one of our most important scaling linchpins, taking every feat, antifeat, and fight into account. I just finished going through Base Thor's AP scans this morning, and it's actually very consistent that he can slug it out with 1-A characters and affect cosmic structures on that level when he's going all out. I'm working on Durability now, but the full update will be in another month or two when I've got everything classified.
Thank you very much for helping out. Please investigate that we have currently scaled post-retcon Beyonder to be as powerful or more powerful in terms of tiering as pre-retcon Beyonder as well. As far as I am aware, pre-retcon Beyonder should be High 1-B, whereas post-retcon cosmic cube Beyonder should be Low 2-C. 🙏
 
So, the Cosmic Raptor is finally back, but this time in Marvel Comics.

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An unofficial Marvel and DC Comics crossover.

Anyway, Storm's characterisation has apparently significantly improved, but I definitely do not care for zombie storylines, Marvel zombies or otherwise. 🙏
 
Also, one of the main leaders of Marvel Comics' has been laid off:


Given his low public profile, I am not familiar with his influence, but if he is one of the people responsible for turning Marvel Comics into an amoral, dystopian, morbid, and nihilistic incoherent complete mess from the early 2000s and forward (with the exception of Al Ewing's vain attempts to improve the overall cosmological structure and storytelling quality of the company), maybe letting him go will lead to improvements, similarly to what happened after Dan Didiot was fired from DC Comics? 🙏
 
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Please investigate that we have currently scaled post-retcon Beyonder to be as powerful or more powerful in terms of tiering as pre-retcon Beyonder as well. As far as I am aware, pre-retcon Beyonder should be High 1-B, whereas post-retcon cosmic cube Beyonder should be Low 2-C. 🙏
Antv, by God´s sake, Post retcon beyonder have his own High 1-B feat (as bare minimum) unrelate to being a cosmic cube
 
I was referring to his cosmic cube era. Which explicitly High 1-B feats does he have for that time period? 🙏
 
You're welcome! Happy to help. I have a few scans for the Beyonder, but not a ton yet. I'll keep an eye out and see if I notice anything clarifying. Current Beyonder is very solidly High 1-A for escaping the House of Ideas under his own power, but his incomplete Cosmic Cube version should be quite a bit below that. High 1-B seems to be pretty well supported from what I've seen.
 
Thank you very much for helping out. Please investigate that we have currently scaled post-retcon Beyonder to be as powerful or more powerful in terms of tiering as pre-retcon Beyonder as well. As far as I am aware, pre-retcon Beyonder should be High 1-B, whereas post-retcon cosmic cube Beyonder should be Low 2-C. 🙏
There is no retcon, the whole retcon is headcanon. Ultima literally pointed out why there is no "pre" or "post" retcon.

1-A is still so ridiculously high that it doesn't seem to make any sense for almost all of the Marvel Comic characters who have it. There are too many antifeats for them. 🙏
That's only at his peak, and it's largely due to him literally being the balancing force between two abstracts.
 
The clash of Beyonder vs Molecule man shock the Transmultiverse and its dimensionality (beyonder also mentions multiverseS a moment ago and their fight spans multiples planes beyond ours), i dont know where this low ball of Low 2-C come from
Wasn't that explicitly stated to just be a 5-dimensional battle?

Anyway, I am referring to the post-retcon Beyonder creating a regular universe by using his full power, and being limited to using its planetary bodies as projectiles during his battle with Kubik. 🙏
 
There is no retcon, the whole retcon is headcanon. Ultima literally pointed out why there is no "pre" or "post" retcon.
No it isn't before the retcon the Beyonder was explicitly millions of times more powerful than the sum totality of the Marvel multiverse, whereas he was limited to universal scale and one of the weakest cosmic entities afterwards.
That's only at his peak, and it's largely due to him literally being the balancing force between two abstracts.
It doesn't matter. There are far too many antifeats that define him at an enormously more limited scale regardless if he had been well-fed at the time or not. We are using headcanon to define ridiculously high power levels that have never been established in Marvel Comics itself. 🙏
 
Well-none of their described feats in the provided scans seemed particularly impressive, and trans-multiversal usually only means 2-C to 2-A. 🙏
 
Also, one of the main leaders of Marvel Comics' has been laid off:


Given his low public profile, I am not familiar with his influence, but if he is one of the people responsible for turning Marvel Comics into an amoral, dystopian, morbid, and nihilistic incoherent complete mess from the early 2000s and forward (with the exception of Al Ewing's vain attempts to improve the overall cosmological structure and storytelling quality of the company), maybe letting him go will lead to improvements, similarly to what happened after Dan Didiot was fired from DC Comics? 🙏
FWIW, the article states this:

"Gabriel was one of the key power players inside Marvel Comics for the past 20 years as its senior VP of sales and marketing. As part of that, he managed not only the marketing and sales but also the company's publication schedule, its global licensing of comics, and had a hand in developing new lines outside of its core superhero universe. I've been told of a number of core Marvel publishing initiatives he's had a silent-but-steady hand in. Additionally, sources indicated that he had a strong voice inside Marvel when it came to greenlighting certain key projects."
 
I'm curious--are you more concerned by cosmology or specific characters? The cosmology is very clearly defined at current levels
No it isn't before the retcon the Beyonder was explicitly millions of times more powerful than the sum totality of the Marvel multiverse, whereas he was limited to universal scale and one of the weakest cosmic entities afterwards.

It doesn't matter. There are far too many antifeats that define him at an enormously more limited scale regardless if he had been well-fed at the time or not. We are using headcanon to define ridiculously high power levels that have never been established in Marvel Comics itself. 🙏
 
Also, one of the main leaders of Marvel Comics' has been laid off:


Given his low public profile, I am not familiar with his influence, but if he is one of the people responsible for turning Marvel Comics into an amoral, dystopian, morbid, and nihilistic incoherent complete mess from the early 2000s and forward (with the exception of Al Ewing's vain attempts to improve the overall cosmological structure and storytelling quality of the company), maybe letting him go will lead to improvements, similarly to what happened after Dan Didiot was fired from DC Comics? 🙏
Sorry for the second reply, but I did some digging and found two things:

1. Apparently, David Gabriel got into some controversy a few years ago for implying that the reason sales were down was because of diversity. Though FWIW, I think that's basically what his job entailed: looking at sales and figuring out what works and what doesn't. Those types of decisions will likely still be made, just not by him anymore.
2. We've got at least four more notable names that have been laid off, but before anyone asks: no, none of them are Nick Lowe or CB Cebulski.

 
I had to catch up on a lot here but the biggest thing that stood out to me is the idea of downgrading Galactus. His jobber moments are stupid but he's still usually one of the quintessential Skyfather tiers in the verse
 

DANTE VS DOCTOR DOOM IS UP FOLKS
 
I'm curious--are you more concerned by cosmology or specific characters? The cosmology is very clearly defined at current levels
A mixture of both. I think that the individual universes (Earth-616, etc) have been enormously wanked at 1-A, in a way that is not remotely explicitly supported by the comicbooks themselves, and which also causes massive inconsistencies in the enormous tiering jumps between characters that can, for example, destroy a galaxy (3-C) and those who can destroy a universe (1-A), which is not at all consistent with their comicbook portrayals. 🙏
 
Sorry for the second reply, but I did some digging and found two things:

1. Apparently, David Gabriel got into some controversy a few years ago for implying that the reason sales were down was because of diversity. Though FWIW, I think that's basically what his job entailed: looking at sales and figuring out what works and what doesn't. Those types of decisions will likely still be made, just not by him anymore.
2. We've got at least four more notable names that have been laid off, but before anyone asks: no, none of them are Nick Lowe or CB Cebulski.

Okay. Thank you for the information. I suppose that these layoffs are likely more a case of corporate greed than removing people that destroy everything of value within the comicbook stories, as was the case with Dan Didiot. 🙏
 
A mixture of both. I think that the individual universes (Earth-616, etc) have been enormously wanked at 1-A, in a way that is not remotely explicitly supported by the comicbooks themselves, and which also causes massive inconsistencies in the enormous tiering jumps between characters that can, for example, destroy a galaxy (3-C) and those who can destroy a universe (1-A), which is not at all consistent with their comicbook portrayals. 🙏
I'll be sure to address that with the Thor mythos characters.
 
Base Thor organization is pretty much done, as well as scans for average and elite Asgardians. I'm currently working on Yggdrasil scaling (which looks like it'll be at least 1-A for repeatedly being above peak Doctor Strange and anything he's encountered) as well as high tier Asgardian sorcerers like Amora and Loki that frequently scale to Skyfathers (and in the case of Loki, consistently above Doctor Strange as well).
 
Does anyone know the issue where Jane Foster Thor blocked a prolonged attack from Shuma Gorath? I need to evaluate it and see if Shuma was weakened or if there was some other factor that would prevent it from being a blatant 1-A feat. I've seen the out of context scan, but just need the source to verify it
 
How powerful are Elder Gods? I know they are more powerful than Skyfathers, but how much more? Are they Celestial Tier, Uni Abstract tier, Multi Abstract Tier?
 
Does anyone know the issue where Jane Foster Thor blocked a prolonged attack from Shuma Gorath? I need to evaluate it and see if Shuma was weakened or if there was some other factor that would prevent it from being a blatant 1-A feat. I've seen the out of context scan, but just need the source to verify it
Same issue where Dormammu struck Shuma in the eye, so Doctor Strange (Vol. 1) #388; 2018.
 
I'll be addressing this at least partially as part of my Thor Mythos reboot. I think there's a lot of variability within Elder Gods, honestly, just like how not all regular gods are the same power just by virtue of their race. The top tiers are multi-abstract level for sure though (specifically referencing the Utgard Gods and Tiwaz, given how Utgard-Loki casually created a realm in the Mystery that transcends Multi Eternity). I haven't looked as much into Set or Khonshu but from what I understand they're incredibly strong as well. Utgard Elder Gods have a reality fiction level of transcendence over typical Skyfathers, though, so they're absolute monsters.
How powerful are Elder Gods? I know they are more powerful than Skyfathers, but how much more? Are they Celestial Tier, Uni Abstract tier, Multi Abstract Tier?
 
Also, sorry (kind of) if I'm clogging this thread with updates on the Thor Mythos project, but I'm super excited about the stuff I found.

Base Thor ended up with seven and a half PAGES of straight links of Low 1-A to 1-A+ feats and fights. The dude is even more of a beast than I ever expected before starting this revision.
Would you believe me if I said this is my most anticipated CRT right now
 
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