Alright, I'm gonna reiterate my replies since I feel like a lot's being slept on...
Within one of Dr. Vulko's notes, it's strongly implied that Connectar, which is the primary energy source of Concordia holds "limitless power", and later states the Bonds of family, friendship and love produce Connectar along with the Uni-Tree. Per the
Tiering System FAQ, infinite power of one thing is generally described to be
High 3-A.
The Bonds are also stated to transcend the world, and everything exists precisely because everything in the world is born from the energy of the Bonds due to one's 'connections' with someone. The entire
Super Mario Cosmology is currently 2-A, and
affecting one to infinite 4-dimensional spacetime continuums is well within the Tier 2 range. By this logic, it should mean:
- The Uni-Tree and the Bonds are at the very least High Universe level seeing as how they're producing Concordia with limitless power
- The Bonds transcending the world and everything in the world existing because of the Bonds places them at Universe level+ to Multiverse level+
The OP is right on Bonds meeting criteria from the Universal Energy Systems...
...and it fits even more criteria which was posted later on in this thread. To correctly reiterate the third qualification in this part the OP listed, as I stated before in my previous post
here, the UES page says:
This section of the page clearly tells us
visual evidence of amplification isn't considered necessary; just that they have to demonstrate that they can channel their power through their own bodies in a way that quantifiably enhances them or otherwise allows scaling of their supernatural powers through their physicals, and there should be evidence that an increase in power / energy should correspond to a proportional increase in the potency of their physical statistics. The blog and the OP listed a few instances of the Bonds being used to enhance others and allow users to channel that power through their bodies:
- Bowser and his minions are stated to gain strength from Bonds in Brothership.
- We are also shown that they have the ability to amplify the power of both physical and non-physical/magical attacks. For instance, Mario and Luigi are able to infuse their hammers with Bonds to deal damage in the thousands on Reclusa's ~52560 HP (1086+1740+2404+4066+6659+8892+9137+8601+9975). If you don't attack with bond power, you'll only do around 80 damage per hit.
- Earlier in the game, after Mario and Luigi battle Gorumbla, Wilma, his Aunt, gives him a "Tough Love Punch" after infusing herself with Bond energy. Snoutlet notes her to be even stronger than Mario and Luigi when they aren't amplified at that point of the game, Wilma is also able to build warp pipes that work due to Connectar, a form of Bonds, further establishing Chakron's statement.
- In terms of magic, Mario and Luigi can use a Bros Bomb attack, which combines Bonds with both Fire and Ice to deal significant damage, along with Battle Plugs.
All these instances meet that part of the UES standards of the page; furthermore, DDM stated another rule from the page in this
reply:
This is proven when the Mario Bros beat
Glohm Bowser and
Glohm Gorumbla because when the Glohm leaves them upon their defeat, they revert back into their base forms and statistics while unconscious; not to mention the Bros are battling them with and WITHOUT the Bonds. With all these indicators combined, this must prove
THE BONDS ACT AS A UES; even if it doesn't, the evidence of them acting as a stat amp is so blatant it's hard to ignore and not place on the profiles.
The "
eradicating all Bonds from the multiverse" part is lacking context; the full statement from Shun is actually this:
| Everyone carries some Glohm with them. Dark feelings... Loneliness... Disconnectedness... Reclusa's a monster that turns lonely feelings into energy. And he's been around since long before any of us were born. He hatches from an egg and fills the world with loneliness... When his power is up, he recharges in his egg. If we don't stop him... he'll keep doing that, again, and again. |
But this
DOESN'T mean Reclusa
DOESN'T scale to the Bonds or his dream manipulation; in fact, Reclusa implied he
previously broke everyone's connections in many other worlds and
all that awaited them was a slow demise. The Glohm is the exact same substance Reclusa used to make the dreams, and it's also the same substance that was used to empower characters like Bowser and Gorumbla, whom Mario and Luigi defeated. The Soli-Tree is basically a warped, evil, dark version of the Uni-Tree;
it was formed by Reclusa after he hatched from his egg when he first encountered the Mario Bros, and mind you, this is the exact same egg he recharges in.
Before anybody states
Creation Feats need proof that they scale to physicals, I heavily implore you to watch the fights between Glohm Bowser and Glohm Gorumbla; they're shown to use techniques like Glohm-infused
punches and
shell attacks. Are they displaying
explicit Tier 2 feats like universe/multiversal destruction or creation during these fights? Of course not, but this is generally how a lot of pages on this wiki operate:
- Sonic and Son Goku haven't displayed Low Multiverse destruction on a constant everyday regular basis, yet there's at least one or a few instances of them scaling to characters on these tiers or have displayed one or a few instances of things like shaking the Macrocosm.
- As someone who's worked on both the Hellboy and Spawn franchises/verses, while characters like Liz Sherman or Satan haven't constantly displayed Low 1-C or 7-B feats, they still sit on those tiers because they've performed the feat at least once.
None of these instances I listed are treated as outliers by the wiki, and we shouldn't be doing the same thing to characters like Mario, Luigi, and Reclusa in this thread. (And honestly, Idc if this is whataboutism because that's not the point).
