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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Nighting4l33yes said:
they dont make up the universe. they will if its destroyed or something. also what is this sentence meant to prove actually?
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You: They exist at all points in time
Herta: Actually they specifically only exist at the end of the universe, with their memory being separate from themselves, which that extends into the past.

Also it’s pretty much impossible for the Universe to not already be memory. If it weren’t Memory then we wouldn’t be seeing Fuli, because we’re told that the Fuli we know is the memory Fuli has stretched into the past… but if that’s true, then the Universe is already memory.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
Let me enlighten you.
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so through your logic, cyrene is both cyrene and fuli simultaneously and while her physical body is next to us, she is also fuli gazing at amphoreus and us simultnaeously. because keep in mind she is referring to fuli as a seperate entity from her and talks about their actions also seperately.

even through this you still have to accept that fuli is outside of space-time. lol.
 
Spinoirr said:
Anyways, what new powers does Silver Wolf gain now so far?
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Going entirely off of the videos, I'm larping 4.X at the moment:

Likely resistance to fate manip if you believe the script manipulates fate or fate is set in stone in HSR. I definitely think it could be argued.
Likely an upgrade to her Aether Editing which may constituent either a footnote or an upgrade in hax.
 
Nighting4l33yes said:
so through your logic, cyrene is both cyrene and fuli simultaneously and while her physical body is next to us, she is also fuli gazing at amphoreus and us simultnaeously. because keep in mind she is referring to fuli as a seperate entity from her and talks about their actions also seperately.

even through this you still have to accept that fuli is outside of space-time. lol.
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Because that was NEVER Fuli to begin with 😭 Cyrene is meant to be Amphoreus’ Fuli the same way Yao Guang is Planarcadia’s Nous

Fuli only actually gazed at us in 3.7 after Irontomb nuked everything and we used it re-create the Universe
 
SuperNova55555 said:
Because that was NEVER Fuli to begin with 😭 Cyrene is meant to be Amphoreus’ Fuli the same way Yao Guang is Planarcadia’s Nous

Fuli only actually gazed at us in 3.7 after Irontomb nuked everything and we used it re-create the Universe
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?!

i did NOT disagree with this. i even said cyrene is not fuli. what on earth are you arguing?
 
Mbpoops said:
So you cant provide the scan
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jesus christ man u cant google hsr wiki remembrance?

"When Herta, Genius Society #83, had her third audience with Nous, she confirmed the true nature of the Path of Remembrance: It is causality that transcends time. The "Master of Anāsrava" known today is but a shadow of memory. Its master, a Pure Child of Anāsrava, will look back in time from the last moment of the universe, closing the loop of causality with all that is remembered, and ascend to godhood."
 
Also thanks to the video are Sparkle and Sampo confirmed Emanators now? It does explicitly show them alongside the text:
'the cartridge is no more than a seed thrown down by the god on a whim.' - Of course implying they received something too, just like Silver Wolf who we now know is an Emanator.
 
Nighting4l33yes said:
jesus christ man u cant google hsr wiki remembrance?

"When Herta, Genius Society #83, had her third audience with Nous, she confirmed the true nature of the Path of Remembrance: It is causality that transcends time. The "Master of Anāsrava" known today is but a shadow of memory. Its master, a Pure Child of Anāsrava, will look back in time from the last moment of the universe, closing the loop of causality with all that is remembered, and ascend to godhood."
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So its just.. acausality type 1, not actually transcending time in a literal sense but having a special affinity with time
 
Mbpoops said:
Something fuli already has…
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vsbattles.fandom.com

Fuli (Honkai: Star Rail)

Fuli is the Aeon that presides over the Path of Remembrance. Intellection equals existence. Thus, memory is the evidence of existence. THEY are the Aeon who records all that has been forgotten and prepares for the rebirth of the universe. Tier: Low 1-C Name: Fuli, Cyrene (Past self) Titles: Aeon...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
 
Mbpoops said:
So its just.. acausality type 1, not actually transcending time in a literal sense but having a special affinity with time
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Yes. She is born in the future, then sends it’s memory to exist in the past, and as memory can be equivalent to existence, that memory eventually becomes Fuli at the end of time, closing the causality loop.
 
Mbpoops said:
So its just.. acausality type 1, not actually transcending time in a literal sense but having a special affinity with time
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unless i am misunderstanding t1 acausality only covers independence from causality whereas fulis existence is described as memory that propagates backward through time under a path that transcends causality itself i dont think thats fully describing the situation. fuli and the path are operating as non-linear causal structures across the timeline aka being outside of it.

for the time being i am not pushing for any changes in acausality. though i do think there'd be a case for 2 or 4. but not enough evidence for the time being
 
Nighting4l33yes said:
unless i am misunderstanding t1 acausality only covers independence from causality whereas fulis existence is described as memory that propagates backward through time under a path that transcends causality itself i dont think thats fully describing the situation. fuli and the path are operating as non-linear causal structures across the timeline aka being outside of it.

for the time being i am not pushing for any changes in acausality. though i do think there'd be a case for 2 or 4. but not enough evidence for the time being
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Theres a whole thread going over why types 2 and 4 dont work
 
vsbattles.com

Bro, who keeps giving Honkai dudes these hax

Continuing on from this thread in an attempt to fix this verse, I present to you some horrid cases of generally miscellaneous hax (mostly Aeons) that should absolutely not be there. Case 1#: Aeon NEP Since the scans are missing unfortunately, I'll have to provide them here. The main issue is...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
i said there could be a case but there's not enough evidence. there could be more in the future. i dont necessarily agree with all of nova's arguments there. tbh it's a complicated situation cuz hoyoverse is all over the place. sometimes this wiki's definitions just dont cover everything
 
SuperNova55555 said:
You: They exist at all points in time
Herta: Actually they specifically only exist at the end of the universe, with their memory being separate from themselves, which that extends into the past.

Also it’s pretty much impossible for the Universe to not already be memory. If it weren’t Memory then we wouldn’t be seeing Fuli, because we’re told that the Fuli we know is the memory Fuli has stretched into the past… but if that’s true, then the Universe is already memory.
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Speaking of memory, it reminds me of one of the texts in Genshin that explains something like this
「记忆」即是「规划」，
称量的天平象征常理。
金色的双子携手，
银白之树抽芽。

你依记忆中的点点滴滴，
「宇宙」凭此安立。

“Memory” is “planning,”
The weighing scale symbolizes reason and order.
The golden twins walk hand in hand,
The silver-white tree begins to sprout.
From the fragments held within your memory,
The “universe” is thus established.
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Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past.

Doesnt this work for like.. any hoyo character..? At least Su/vita otto kiana and terminus
 
Mbpoops said:
Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past.

Doesnt this work for like.. any hoyo character..? At least Su/vita otto kiana and terminus
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No. They have to be the exact same being, just across multiple times.

If we take Terminus for example, it’s not actually the exact same being, but only different parts of one being spread across time. So like, if I cut off my arm and throw it a couple seconds back in time, is that Type 3? Nope.

You could make an argument about Cocoon or a derivative aspect of it specifically though. At least, if it projects itself across all time simultaneously. But intrinsically it shouldn’t have Type 3 if it is beyond Time since Type 3 requires you to be within time in some aspect.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
No. They have to be the exact same being, just across multiple times.

If we take Terminus for example, it’s not actually the exact same being, but only different parts of one being spread across time. So like, if I cut off my arm and throw it a couple seconds back in time, is that Type 3? Nope.

You could make an argument about Cocoon or a derivative aspect of it specifically though. At least, if it projects itself across all time simultaneously. But intrinsically it shouldn’t have Type 3 if it is beyond Time since Type 3 requires you to be within time in some aspect.
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Ah i see i see
 
Researcher's Voice: And the doubts weren't unfounded. The battlesuit's development was based on wormhole traversal principles, requiring its wielder to maintain an unbroken will from past to future - what we call spatiotemporal consistency.

Researcher's Voice: To put it simply, imagine countless versions of yourself, fighting side by side across overlapping timelines. You must carry your past, and the future you will push you forward.

---

"Helia": That battlesuit was never a gift, but an eternal torture.

"Helia": Every single moment, I must bear the weight of my past, present, and future, until I turn to ashes. I must continue fighting against myself, as any hesitation brings devastating backlash.

"Helia": Again and again, I recalled the most desperate moment, the moment of losing her. I nurtured my mind with hatred, and crafted flesh and blood from hatred, so that I could fully embrace free will and harness the power to transcend time and space.

"Helia": After putting on that battlesuit, every day, every moment, I've been in unspeakable pain... But what exactly is causing me this pain?

"Helia": Is it my eyes that are drenched in blood? Is it my limbs that are severed by sharp blades? Or the grotesque thing that beats in my chest, one that keeps dripping liquids and cutting my flesh?

"Helia": No, no, those things don't cause me pain.

"Helia": When the fangs and claws of pollutants pierced my chest, I didn't think it was painful. When this battlesuit let me fight against Calamities across countless spacetimes simultaneously, I thought I could take it.
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Does this even grant you anything or just a cool battlesuit mechanic?
 
Mbpoops said:
Shes one of the reasons the cosmology is ****** 💔 honestly polka shoulda slimed the whole genious society cause zandar made that ******* imaginary tree theory
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Fraudka Kakabum ain't sliming anyone but old men and nearly dead robots

"Shit a single Zandar fragment is telling me not to interfere with Amphroreous? I better pack up and leave, before i catch his robot hands"
 
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