Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Voidnether]

Your scan contradicts herta’s anaology btw because branches are the present meaning the future hasnt happened yet. Elio could only summon SW if the future already existed so again pick your poison

meaning the future hasnt happened yet.

How the **** did you come to this conclusion when this was nowhere stated, EVER

 

[SuperNova55555]

mind u no instant involved another aeon

??? Have you read Gold&Gears?

how so?

Because my point literally revolves around the fact Yao Guang is limited.

what makes u think his attempts are actually working? the entire point of the game is that even if the destination is predetermined, how and why we get there can be different to everyone. btw we've only seen him like 2 times overall. why do u want everything answered in the 4th year of the game's release?

You know that those alternate timelines happen right…? The Universe has ended multiple times and every time that happens Terminus goes back so new possibilities and alternate futures can be chosen to avoid it.

You know that’s the whole point of Finality… ye?

When you were the one saying they're bound by possibilities yet not specifically specifying what possibilities?

Me: They’re bound by possibilities
You: They’re bound by X type of possibilities

Notice how I’m still correct?

 

[Mbpoops]

Also that has nothing to do with what i said. I was talking abt hsr both wanting and killing mwi at the same time you cant have both

 

[Mbpoops]

How the **** did you come to this conclusion when this was nowhere stated, EVER

Did you play 3.7? Herta verbatim says “each branch is the present”??????

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

I wonder

 

[Voidnether]

??? Have you read Gold&Gears?


Because my point literally revolves around the fact Yao Guang is limited.


You know that those alternate timelines happen right…? The Universe has ended multiple times and every time that happens Terminus goes back so new possibilities and alternate futures can be chosen to avoid it.

You know that’s the whole point of Finality… ye?

Me: They’re bound by possibilities
You: They’re bound by X type of possibilities

Notice how I’m still correct?

Do you actually think if a character is completely unbound by possibilities here as a general case, you'd immediately think they'd be unbound by an uncountable infinite amount of possibilities extending to transfinite amounts of possibilities that extends to large cardinals? Like genuinely "Notice how I'm still correct?" and the shit is basically implying "you must be unbound by Von Neumann Universe amounts of possibilities or you're still bound" THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Did you play 3.7? Herta verbatim says “each branch is the present”??????

It’s highkey more productive arguing with a dry wall than with Nether. I’d much rather Cas just push their 3-C atoms to me again.

 

[Mbpoops]

Do you actually think if a character is completely unbound by possibilities here as a general case, you'd immediately think they'd be unbound by an uncountable infinite amount of possibilities extending to transfinite amounts of possibilities that extends to large cardinals? Like genuinely "Notice how I'm still correct?" and the shit is basically implying "you must be unbound by Von Neumann Universe amounts of possibilities or you're still bound" THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

Genuienly wtf are you talking about

 

[Mbpoops]

It’s highkey more productive arguing with a dry wall than with Nether. I’d much rather Cas just push their 3-C atoms to me again.

@CastoriceTheFifth i apologize

 

[SuperNova55555]

Do you actually think if a character is completely unbound by possibilities here as a general case, you'd immediately think they'd be unbound by an uncountable infinite amount of possibilities extending to transfinite amounts of possibilities that extends to large cardinals?

Only Nether could unironically produce this type of comment

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

??? Have you read Gold&Gears?

very much so. and nowhere in there did nous predict the ascension of another aeon. or anything actually involving one afaik.

Because my point literally revolves around the fact Yao Guang is limited.

sure, i agree. and so you should agree that by extension, her subordinate, fu xuan is also limited and so are her divinations and inquiries in the nature of the aeons. even though, nothing of what she said implied that the fate of the aeons is bound to the tree.

You know that those alternate timelines happen right…? The Universe has ended multiple times and every time that happens Terminus goes back so new possibilities and alternate futures can be chosen to avoid it.

that's a hypothesis as well. not firmly established.

No bro. Hsr tried to posit both MWI (branching timelines) and quantum collapse as both existing in the same continuity. THAT IS LOGICALLY AND FACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE. If a quantum collapse happens those timelines are dead you cant have both so its either there are infinite timelines or theres 1 and the constantly contradict eachother each patch

this has a bunch of workarounds btw with either the soq, the timeline pruning, floating memoria and so on.

 

[Voidnether]

Did you play 3.7? Herta verbatim says “each branch is the present”??????

And how does that imply the future haven't existed yet? WHERE

 

[Voidnether]

Only Nether could unironically produce this type of comment

Your logic is fr way worse than an elementary schooler because being bound by infinite possibilities is still Resistance to Probability Manipulation in a sense that it's not bound by finite possibilities, it's this SIMPLE

 

[SuperNova55555]

very much so. and nowhere in there did nous predict the ascension of another aeon.

Holy strawman. Who ever talked about the ascension of an Aeon lmao. I’m talking about any Aeonic thing in general.

sure, i agree. and so you should agree that by extension, her subordinate, fu xuan is also limited and so are her divinations and inquiries in the nature of the aeons. even though, nothing of what she said implied that the existence of the aeons is bound to the tree.

No because we know in what way they don’t know the Aeons.

that's a hypothesis as well. not firmly established.

We have Acheron telling us this. We have literally everyone else telling us this. And we literally see Terminus use their powers the exact way they tell us he uses them.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Your logic is fr way worse than an elementary schooler because being bound by infinite possibilities is still Resistance to Probability Manipulation in a sense that it's not bound by finite possibilities, it's this SIMPLE

You don’t even get why I’m making fun of you

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I’d much rather Cas just push their 3-C atoms to me again.

I'm telling you. You aren't ready for HSR atoms

 

[Mbpoops]

this has a bunch of workarounds btw with either the soq, the timeline pruning, floating memoria and so on.

the soq works because its genuienly just a different cosmological structure everything else makes no sense because nous is nuking them. You cant have both MWI and quantum collapse being alive in the same cosmology it doesnt work you either A have infinite timelines/possibilities or B have one from a quantum collapse

 

[Voidnether]

You don’t even get why I’m making fun of you

"They're still bound by possibilities bro because they're still bound by infinite possibilities, you must be unbound by the totality of possibilities extending up to Von Neumann Universe amounts of possibilities or they're still bound"

 

[Mbpoops]

the soq works because its genuienly just a different cosmological structure everything else makes no sense because nous is nuking them. You cant have both MWI and quantum collapse being alive in the same cosmology it doesnt work you either A have infinite timelines/possibilities or B have one from a quantum collapse

We dont complain abt hi3 doing this in chapter 13 because it was retconned hsr is trying to have both at the same time which is scientifically impossible

 

[Voidnether]

Might as well make someone who's unbound by Probability Manipulation to be defaulted to Low 1-A just because the totality of possibilities that they're not bound to using your logic as a "general assumption" should include said shit (VNU amounts of possibilities)

 

[Mbpoops]

Might as well make someone who's unbound by Probability Manipulation to be defaulted to Low 1-A just because the totality of possibilities that they're not bound to using your logic as a "general assumption" should include said shit

Cocoon and kevin upscale

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Do you actually think if a character is completely unbound by possibilities here as a general case, you'd immediately think they'd be unbound by an uncountable infinite amount of possibilities extending to transfinite amounts of possibilities that extends to large cardinals? Like genuinely "Notice how I'm still correct?" and the shit is basically implying "you must be unbound by Von Neumann Universe amounts of possibilities or you're still bound" THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

Ok so?
Cause I'm genuinely curious
One
Where was it stated Aeons are unbound by possibilities?
2.
Where's the proof HSR works like HI3 does?

Both games contradict eachother
You can't have a quantum collapse if there's infinite possibilities

You're basically saying that HSR simply allows that

Man I pray HI3 adds stuff.

Also
Calling the imaginary tree the universe and iron tomb Nuking the universe
YET Aeons could only nuke 2/3rds?
Pick your poison or prove how that makes sense
You can't.
Cause in no logical way does it add..

Also
Not very telling?
I guess Honkai impact needs to once more save star rails bad writing..

 

[SuperNova55555]

Nether started going on his tangents again

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Holy strawman. Who ever talked about the ascension of an Aeon lmao. I’m talking about any Aeonic thing in general.

yes, i edited to include any aeonic thing as well but u replied too fast. which again, he did. but for the sake of it, let's review his instants from the wiki too:

• First Instant — The moment when Telora Farnsha and Korapao fight, marking the beginning of the "Borderstar Trade War."
• Second Instant — The moment when Rubert I awakens from its slumber, marking the beginning of the "First Mechanical Emperor's Wars."
• Third Instant — The moment when Polka Kakamond would plunge her scalpel into Rubert I's chest, marking the "fall of Rubert I."
• Fourth Instant — The moment when Irontomb is born, marking the start of "the War Among the Aeons." However, Herta rewrote the anchor of the Fourth Instant, making the Trailblazer's choice a "variable" in the Instant.

no aeons here.

No because we know in what way they don’t know the Aeons.

they don't even know the nature of the paths bro. they aint know SHIT about the aeons either.

We have Acheron telling us this. We have literally everyone else telling us this. And we literally see Terminus use their powers the exact way they tell us he uses them.

when did acheron out of all people say this?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

tummy+thighs combo=high 1-C gamer girl

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

the soq works because its genuienly just a different cosmological structure everything else makes no sense because nous is nuking them. You cant have both MWI and quantum collapse being alive in the same cosmology it doesnt work you either A have infinite timelines/possibilities or B have one from a quantum collapse

we can have both...... we already know the pruning mechanism that can work around this "problem"..... we just haven't been told how yet

 

[Mbpoops]

yes, i edited to include any aeonic thing as well but u replied too fast. which again, he did. but for the sake of it, let's review his instants from the wiki too:

• First Instant — The moment when Telora Farnsha and Korapao fight, marking the beginning of the "Borderstar Trade War."
• Second Instant — The moment when Rubert I awakens from its slumber, marking the beginning of the "First Mechanical Emperor's Wars."
• Third Instant — The moment when Polka Kakamond would plunge her scalpel into Rubert I's chest, marking the "fall of Rubert I."
• Fourth Instant — The moment when Irontomb is born, marking the start of "the War Among the Aeons." However, Herta rewrote the anchor of the Fourth Instant, making the Trailblazer's choice a "variable" in the Instant.

no aeons here.

Now lets see, yaoshi vs jingliu? Fuli becoming the 4th finality? Seems to be 2 aeons already

 

[SuperNova55555]

yes, i edited to include any aeonic thing as well but u replied too fast. which again, he did. but for the sake of it, let's review his instants from the wiki too:

• First Instant — The moment when Telora Farnsha and Korapao fight, marking the beginning of the "Borderstar Trade War."
• Second Instant — The moment when Rubert I awakens from its slumber, marking the beginning of the "First Mechanical Emperor's Wars."
• Third Instant — The moment when Polka Kakamond would plunge her scalpel into Rubert I's chest, marking the "fall of Rubert I."
• Fourth Instant — The moment when Irontomb is born, marking the start of "the War Among the Aeons." However, Herta rewrote the anchor of the Fourth Instant, making the Trailblazer's choice a "variable" in the Instant.

no aeons here

And if you would actually read any of those, you would realize that there are multiple Aeons involved within them.

Also, please consider the narrative implications of Aeons not abiding by Instants. And also please consider the holistic impact of it all; i.e how much you have to sway the general meaning of multiple statements to forcefully fit your interpretation.

they don't even know the nature of the paths bro. they aint know SHIT about the aeons either.

That’s a blatant misreading of the text.

They tell you they don’t know the future of Aeons because they have too many possibilities.

Nothing in that statement is talking or referring to an Aeons’ ontic status; in fact, it tells you they don’t know much because they know the particular reason why they are unknowable—i.e that they have too may possibilities to calculate.

when did acheron out of all people say this?

3.8 Quest. In fact, Acheron is the first person in the series to tell us about Terminus “ascending again” at the “end of the universe”

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

we can have both...... we already know the pruning mechanism that can work around this "problem"..... we just haven't been told how yet

No you can't.

 

[Mbpoops]

we can have both...... we already know the pruning mechanism that can work around this "problem"..... we just haven't been told how yet

How do you work around a higher dimensional being cutting away at timelines??????????? This is pure headcanon you csnt have both its scientifically impossible and even if there was a workaround nous would snip it away

 

[SuperNova55555]

The Universe has infinite possibilities, and Aeons and Paths are constants born out of the universe and that dictate the Universe, making their possibilities infinite.

Mortals cannot comprehend infinity, nor infinite possibilities, thus the future of Aeons is uncertain to them. Nous, being a God and an infinite being of the Universe itself, is capable of comprehending infinity and the infinite possibilities, making them the only being who can conceive the future of an Aeon. And in fact, they are the reason why Aeons and Paths are defined as such, because it keeps Zandar’s theories locked in the Circle of Knowledge (which is why Zandar wants to nuke it)

This is, very obviously, what the author is telling us, and is obviously also the thematic meaning of Aeons as a whole and to their relationship to the Universe.

Everything else requires not only headcanon and additional justification, but it also takes away from the narrative significance of the entities within HSR.

Please stop larping.

 

[Mbpoops]

The Universe has infinite possibilities, and Aeons and Paths are constants born out of the universe and that dictate the Universe, making their possibilities infinite.

Mortals cannot comprehend infinity, nor infinite possibilities, thus the future of Aeons is uncertain to them. Nous, being a God and an infinite being of the Universe itself, is capable of comprehending infinity and the infinite possibilities, making them the only being who can conceive the future of an Aeon. And in fact, they are the reason why Aeons and Paths are defined as such, because it keeps Zandar’s theories locked in the Circle of Knowledge (which is why Zandar wants to nuke it)

This is, very obviously, what the author is telling us, and is obviously also the thematic meaning of Aeons as a whole and to their relationship to the Universe.

Everything else requires not only headcanon and additional justification, but it also takes away from the narrative significance of the entities within HSR.

Please stop larping.

nah bro acausality type 5 aeon and BDE1 trust

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

**If the increase of entropy is a fundamental law of the universe, then the heat death would be the inescapable destiny of the material world. So, why is it that we bother to struggle to survive? Expansion, fusion, and then annihilation. If we wish to welcome the new, then we must first embrace the end."
— From a scientist just before pressing the button for nuclear detonation, 2152 AE
The birth of the universe is a mistake. If civilization is a cancer emerging quietly from the boundless stars, then war is the only common language known to all intelligent life.
To correct this mistake and to clean up this tainted universe, Nanook became the avatar of entropy and ascended to godhood while denying all gods.
Destruction is not a process, but the outcome. On the path THEY promised, all Paths and Aeons will terminate in the heat death of the universe.**

Honestly
Nanooks description quite literally destroys higher dimensional BS for Aeons
HooH and IX I can give a slight pass
But any other? No.


Heat Death

Material world

Kinda funny that those two words are in the same paragraph
It makes sense as the IT (universe in HSRs whatever) is only physical


Where was this 11D universe people were larping about?

Aeons downscaling?

 

[SuperNova55555]

nah bro acausality type 5 aeon and BDE1 trust

Yes bro, Trailblaze and the Path System being an allegory for which Destiny and Path the Universe itself can take in the future is totally, completely unrelated to anything, and Aeons are actually just hyper-trans-dimensional chinese cultivators who summon transfinite avatars and play games in infinite timelines and shit

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Now lets see, yaoshi vs jingliu? Fuli becoming the 4th finality? Seems to be 2 aeons already

that's not a part of nous' instants

And if you would actually read any of those, you would realize that there are multiple Aeons involved within them.

Also, please consider the narrative implications of Aeons not abiding by Instants. And also please consider the holistic impact of it all; i.e how much you have to sway the general meaning of multiple statements to forcefully fit your interpretation.

......? there’s a distinction between predicting actions and resolving outcomes. Nous instants show a final state but there’s no indication it models the aeons' internal decisionmaking process nor does it gurantee their appearance. In other words it knows what happens, not how it happens. That suggests Aeons are not fully calculable entities even for Nous and no just bcz it knows the outcome it doesnt need it knows the action itself. knwing the final state doesn’t imply access to the intermediate causal chain it can mean the system resolves endpoints without simulating the internal mechanism

3.8 Quest. In fact, Acheron is the first person in the series to tell us about Terminus “ascending again” at the “end of the universe”

this is not what she meant. dahlia said this too. this has to do with the fact that terminus ascended once in the beginning of the universe, became the pack of cats and is now moving backwards through time aka it's going to ascend in the "future" to destroy everything.

The Universe has infinite possibilities, and Aeons and Paths are constants born out of the universe and that dictate the Universe, making their possibilities infinite.

Mortals cannot comprehend infinity, nor infinite possibilities, thus the future of Aeons is uncertain to them. Nous, being a God and an infinite being of the Universe itself, is capable of comprehending infinity and the infinite possibilities, making them the only being who can conceive the future of an Aeon. And in fact, they are the reason why Aeons and Paths are defined as such, because it keeps Zandar’s theories locked in the Circle of Knowledge (which is why Zandar wants to nuke it)

This is, very obviously, what the author is telling us, and is obviously also the thematic meaning of Aeons as a whole and to their relationship to the Universe.

Everything else requires not only headcanon and additional justification, but it also takes away from the narrative significance of the entities within HSR.

Please stop larping.

this chatgpt ass generated text... just because you don't agree with one interpretation, which in star rail and other hoyo games those are purposely vague and not straightforward, it doesn't mean yours is the right nor do you get to have an attitude about it.

 

[Mbpoops]

Yes bro, Trailblaze and the Path System being an allegory for which Destiny and Path the Universe itself can take in the future is totally, completely unrelated to anything, and Aeons are actually just hyper-trans-dimensional chinese cultivators who summon transfinite avatars and play games in infinite timelines and shit

Einstein: "putting it in transfinite terms the tree is the highest transfinite cardinal being infinitely transfinite. of course that would be the case if i didnt include path space"

 

[SuperNova55555]

terminus ascended once in the beginning of the universe

This is all I needed to hear. Genuinely go play the game again.

Terminus: The Aeon that presides over the Path of Finality shall be born whenever any one of the Theory of Four Apocalypses could possibly unfold, and move backward in time.

 

[Le'garde273]

Please stop larping.

 

[Mbpoops]

terminus' whole thing is going back to the beginning of the universe and turning into his 1000 armed form wdym he ascended at the beginning also thats another herta nuke

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Choke me with your thighs