[0-0-7] Inventor of the more dementeder... match - Rimuru Tempest vs Rick Sanchez

[Nonynho]

• Both sides have access to an SSD with all Chess books ever written up until 2026
• Both sides had prep time
• Base Rick used
• They are playing at home in chess.com with a neutral arbiter beside each (for flavoring sake, Le Batteur is beside Rimuru and Le Juge is beside Rick, with H-1A+ ∞layer sticks)
  • Their PC have 1Gbps ethernet connection and 64gb of RAM
  • They'll play a best of 3
  • In the first game, they'll both open with the Bongcloud

A slime-

The smartest man in the universe-

Incon- @Nonynho, @ShionAH, @Jepilstiltskin, @AstraphelNoctis4, @Hecky2222, @BonjourGnome, @AppleMaker

 

[RaspberriesRasputin]

Rimuru should take the cake via hax and Ciel ig

 

[Nonynho]

Rimuru should take the cake via hax and Ciel ig

lmfao

hax can't be used here, or else Batteur deletes his ass

 

[RaspberriesRasputin]

lmfao

hax can't be used here, or else Batteur deletes his ass

Ohhhhhhh let me reread the thing so I’m not confused

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Rimuru vs Rick Sanchez, eh? More like Stockfish vs Magnus Carlsen but super super extremely buffed.

I can see Rick saying something like this: “Chess isn't about intelligence, Morty. It's just pattern recognition with a superiority complex, and you're losing because you keep making the same dumb mistakes. Winning in chess doesn't make you a genius, it just means you sucked less this time. Now shut up, Morty, and watch me crush this idiot.”

 

[RaspberriesRasputin]

Hmmmmmmmm my bet is still the same ngl but for a different reason……. Cause my gut feeling told me so

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

lmfao

hax can't be used here, or else Batteur deletes his ass

Oops, I thought Rimuru's personal AI is gonna help him here. No more “Stockfish” thing, then.

 

[Nonynho]

Rimuru vs Rick Sanchez, eh? More like Stockfish vs Magnus Carlsen but super super extremely buffed.

I can see Rick saying something like this: “Chess isn't about intelligence, Morty. It's just pattern recognition with a superiority complex, and you're losing because you keep making the same dumb mistakes. Winning in chess doesn't make you a genius, it just means you sucked less this time. Now shut up, Morty, and watch me crush this idiot.”

well, nothing i read indicates that he can solve chess on the fly
and by all we know Rick won't be using the given SSD with the books so...

 

[Nonynho]

Oops, I thought Rimuru's personal AI is gonna help him here. No more “Stockfish” thing, then.

That is not hax, it is literally his own mind lol

 

[Nonynho]

.

Thing is:
If Rick solves chess, this is an incon
if he reads the books, he is smart enough for incon to be possible
if he doesn't do neither of those (very likely) he is intelligent enough for this L to be add-able to both profiles

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

well, nothing i read indicates that he can solve chess on the fly
and by all we know Rick won't be using the given SSD with the books so...

He was able to recognize the Devil and knowing he's trapped in a spiral even without any prior information, which shows just how literal the series is when portraying his intellect, essentially limitless. Of course this is not exactly Chess feats relevance, but the intention is that, no matter the scenario or situation, he can solve it without even needing prior knowledge.

He has surpassed human invention, and that includes chess. This means he can quickly learn and adapt to it in a very short time. Chess revolves around memorization and prediction, and if there's any character who demonstrates those traits at an extreme level, it's Rick. He thoughts and considers every possibility, even ones he hasn't directly encountered. His predictive ability goes far beyond what Rimuru is shown to be capable of, let alone planning ability.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

That is not hax, it is literally his own mind lol

I must've misread the message, the outcome didn't change though.

 

[Nonynho]

He has surpassed human invention, and that includes chess. This means he can quickly learn and adapt to it in a very short time. Chess revolves around memorization and prediction, and if there's any character who demonstrates those traits at an extreme level, it's Rick. He thoughts and considers every possibility, even ones he hasn't directly encountered. His predictive ability goes far beyond what Rimuru is shown to be capable of, let alone planning ability.

This is not indicating at all that he should be able to solve chess (calculating 10^120 possibilities) up in the fly
And Rimuru not only has the capability of solving chess, but by absorbing the SSD he's immediately also skilled af, so sheer analytical prediction ain't giving Rick a W today, specially because Rimuru's also very good at this and can see through his tactics in, now, 3 different ways

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

This is not indicating at all that he should be able to solve chess (calculating 10^120 possibilities) up in the fly

Yes, it doesn't, because it instead indicates near-limitless possibilities. Notice how he “predicts” every possibility (even ones that should be impossible) and even outcomes he hasn't explicitly thought of? This isn't something you can measure with numbers.

And Rimuru not only has the capability of solving chess, but by absorbing the SSD he's immediately also skilled af

Rick doesn't even need to learn chess, and he's already solved it. The mechanics of chess aren't that complex, especially for someone like Rick, who you know... can adapt to anything without prior information? This is the same person who discovered a new element in the universe without any prior knowledge.

There isn't really a clear explanation for how he does it, he just does. Which is essentially a core aspect of the show.

 

[Nonynho]

Yes, it doesn't, because it instead indicates near-limitless possibilities. Notice how he “predicts” every possibility (even ones that should be impossible) and even outcomes he hasn't explicitly thought of? This isn't something you can measure with numbers.

this is not displayed either by his PnA section (which should have this detailed as Information Analysis or Analytical Prediction, none of which he has access to in this match because he only has the first one in his equipment tabber) or in his intelligence section, where the closest to this was heistotron's case where it was 10325 layers... not close to 10^120 possibilities in any parameter.
Hell, mf lost against Morty in checkers with no prep, nothing indicates what you claim at all

Rick doesn't even need to learn chess, and he's already solved it. The mechanics of chess aren't that complex, especially for someone like Rick, who you know... can adapt to anything without prior information?

Again, not reflected by PnA or Intelligence sections. Not to the degree of solving chess, at least

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

this is not displayed either by his PnA section (which should have this detailed as Information Analysis or Analytical Prediction, none of which he has access to in this match because he only has the first one in his equipment tabber) or in his intelligence section, where the closest to this was heistotron's case where it was 10325 layers... not close to 10^120 possibilities in any parameter.
Hell, mf lost against Morty in checkers with no prep, nothing indicates what you claim at all

It is displayed (specifically on his Intelligence section) though, what are you even saying? I know reading is overrated nowadays, but come on.

Just when he walked into the room Rick was able to solve the murder case of a god[84] that spanned across space and time throughout billions of years, deducting that the murder method was changing every single cell of the victim one by one[84] despite the suspect using a paradoxal time travel to make sure that the crime was not committed yet.[84] Rick predicted he would be erased from the multiverse eventually because to survive he has to think of everything including things he haven't thought of such as a ship he specifically and purposefully didn't build then forced himself to forget about the plan so that it would be waiting for him outside reality when the time comes[68]. Set up a lenghty manhunt with cosmic universes across the reality and non reality which lead up to him eventually manipulating them all just because he wanted Morty to admit that he took Rick's screwdriver.

 

[Nonynho]

I know reading is overrated nowadays, but come on.

people really go for ad hominen these days, god damn

let's break it down

Just when he walked into the room Rick was able to solve the murder case of a god[84] that spanned across space and time throughout billions of years, deducting that the murder method was changing every single cell of the victim one by one[84] despite the suspect using a paradoxal time travel to make sure that the crime was not committed yet.[84]

Rick knows a whole bunch about time travel and about biology. In the scans we see that he deducted the "murder crime" by just thinking about what would be able to deal with this god's immortality, and he got surprised by the guy's time paradox idea, which he probably dealt with using his time travel knowledge.
This should be covered by Analytical Prediction or Information Analysis on a degree relatable for chess' complexity to be used here.

Rick predicted he would be erased from the multiverse eventually because to survive he has to think of everything including things he haven't thought of such as a ship he specifically and purposefully didn't build then forced himself to forget about the plan so that it would be waiting for him outside reality when the time comes[68].

This is literally just self-memory manip in combination with preparation, the latter of which being great af and not used here because of his incompetence
This should be covered by Analytical Prediction or Information Analysis on a degree relatable for chess' complexity to be used here.

Set up a lenghty manhunt with cosmic universes across the reality and non reality which lead up to him eventually manipulating them all just because he wanted Morty to admit that he took Rick's screwdriver.

Another showcase of preparation, this time combo'd with SI
This should be covered by Analytical Prediction or Information Analysis on a degree relatable for chess' complexity to be used here.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

people really go for ad hominen these days, god damn

I wouldn't go down this route if you hadn't claimed that said feats is not displayed.

This is literally just self-memory manip in combination with preparation, the latter of which being great af and not used here because of his incompetence

On what part of “predicted everything, even ones he haven't thought of” you couldn't understand? Yes, that scan includes self-memory manip, but the fact that you ignored everything else in it actually surprised me. Truthfully.

 

[Nonynho]

I wouldn't go down this route if you hadn't claimed that said feats is not displayed.

what about don't go "down this route" ever? fallacies like that lower the quality of the debate and just makes it seem annoying and less and less worthy of time and i guarantee it's not just for me. Tone down.

On what part of “predicted everything, even ones he haven't thought of” you couldn't understand? Yes, that scan includes self-memory manip, but the fact that you ignored everything else in it actually surprised me. Truthfully.

With an undisclosed amount of time to think(/not think lol) about this plan, how does this relate at all with the matter at hand? It shows he's got an amazing amount of things planned and spends time thinking about being prepared for whatever the s*, but it does not relate to what is going on right now, because "thinking about things i haven't thought with an undisclosed amount of time" is not enough to calculate 10^120 possibilities in the fly like, at all

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

With an undisclosed amount of time to think(/not think lol) about this plan, how does this relate at all with the matter at hand? It shows he's got an amazing amount of things planned and spends time thinking about being prepared for whatever the s*, but it does not relate to what is going on right now, because "thinking about things i haven't thought with an undisclosed amount of time" is not enough to calculate 10^120 possibilities in the fly like, at all

The text specifically refers to him predicting everything as a means of survival, since life itself is ultimately a threat to him. There's an immense level of danger in life (almost anything can be lethal) and the show reinforces this as part of its core theme. It's effectively limitless, which is further supported by how he can account for highly improbable scenarios, like being trapped with a non-canonical version of himself (hence “even things he hasn’t thought of”). And the wording also emphasizes that everything quite clearly, especially by including outcomes that Rick hasn’t explicitly considered. You can't meassured this down with some finite numbers.

It shows he's got an amazing amount of things planned and spends time thinking about being prepared for whatever the s*

Which is exactly why I brought up that scan in the first place. He planned for everything (including things he hasn't even thought of), so something like “playing a simple game of chess with my life on the line and still winning easily because I already accounted for it” isn't really out of reach for Rick.

 

[Nonynho]

The text specifically refers to him predicting everything as a means of survival, since life itself is ultimately a threat to him. There's an immense level of danger in life (almost anything can be lethal) and the show reinforces this as part of its core theme. It's effectively limitless, which is further supported by how he can account for highly improbable scenarios, like being trapped with a non-canonical version of himself (hence “even things he hasn’t thought of”). And the wording also emphasizes that everything quite clearly, especially by including outcomes that Rick hasn’t explicitly considered. You can't meassured this down with some finite numbers.

All of that was with an undisclosed amount of time for planning, thinking about it or not, remembering it or not.
It does not serve as basis to claiming "he's gonna solve within seconds a game with 10^120 possibilities" because the key word is seconds, up in the fly, instantly, and similars, which this does not serve as enough evidence to prove would be a possibility in the situation he's in rn

Which is exactly why I brought up that scan in the first place. He planned for everything (including things he hasn't even thought of), so something like “playing a simple game of chess with my life on the line and still winning easily because I already accounted for it” isn't really out of reach for Rick.

If that was the case, then he wouldn't lose in checkers against Morty, which he did in canon
Also, his life isn't on the line, only if he cheats lol
If the loser were to die, i'd put that explicitly in OP

And yeah, he's overprepared for threats to his life, but nothing is indicating he's able to use this overpreparing to solve chess, nor solve it by himself, and he's losing because he doesn't use the prep correctly according to @ShionAH (whose presence i'm missing, here)

 

[Nonynho]

forgor to mention with all that

i'm adding myself for Rimuru's side

Hmmmmmmmm my bet is still the same ngl but for a different reason……. Cause my gut feeling told me so

reading the thread, still voting the same?

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

All of that was with an undisclosed amount of time for planning, thinking about it or not, remembering it or not.
It does not serve as basis to claiming "he's gonna solve within seconds a game with 10^120 possibilities" because the key word is seconds, up in the fly, instantly, and similars, which this does not serve as enough evidence to prove would be a possibility in the situation he's in rn

Which is why I said “he's already solved it”, I never argued he's gonna solve it the exact moment they play the game.

If that was the case, then he wouldn't lose in checkers against Morty, which he did in canon
Also, his life isn't on the line, only if he cheats lol
If the loser were to die, i'd put that explicitly in OP

I think you don't get my point. The scan is quite explicit, he accounted for everything when it comes to surviving in life. Whether probable or improbable, he's already considered it. The reason he lost to Morty in checkers can be explained simply that it wasn't a life-threatening situation. In other words, he wasn't taking it seriously at all.

Meanwhile, the context here is fundamentally life-threatening. Rick would've accounted for that, just like he accounted for highly improbable scenarios, such as being trapped with a non-canonical version of himself. It's extremely unlikely, but he still considered it.

 

[RaspberriesRasputin]

forgor to mention with all that

i'm adding myself for Rimuru's side


reading the thread, still voting the same?

Yeah it’s still the same

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I think you don't get my point. The scan is quite explicit, he accounted for everything when it comes to surviving in life. Whether probable or improbable, he's already considered it. The reason he lost to Morty in checkers can be explained simply that it wasn't a life-threatening situation. In other words, he wasn't taking it seriously at all.

Meanwhile, the context here is fundamentally life-threatening. Rick would've accounted for that, just like he accounted for highly improbable scenarios, such as being trapped with a non-canonical version of himself. It's extremely unlikely, but he still considered it.

???? How the actual fishsticks is a chess match a "fundamental life-threatening event"?...

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

???? How the actual fishsticks is a chess match a "fundamental life-threatening event"?...

Oh, I don't know, dearie. Does this not count as life-threatening? You tell me.

They are playing at home in chess.com with a neutral arbiter beside each (for flavoring sake, Le Batteur is beside Rimuru and Le Juge is beside Rick, with H-1A+ ∞layer sticks)

And I've already said this earlier, Rick would've already accounted this prior the match. It's not really far-fetched that there would be a scenario in his head like: “playing a simple game of chess with my life on the line and still winning easily because I already accounted for it”

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Anyway, this is starting to feel circular. There's nothing more I can add that would change your mind, even with the evidence already presented. So I'll just cast my vote for Rick (since I've already gave you my two-cents in all this) and let's leave it at that.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Welp, I see nothing that indicates Rick would stillmate, so voting Rimuru. (I am sure Alex would too if he weren't banned)

 

[ShionAH]

In the scans we see that he deducted the "murder crime" by just thinking about what would be able to deal with this god's immortality

He actually solved it the moment he walked in

not used here because of his incompetence

What

Let me get to this, yall alr started voting DAMNNN???

 

[ShionAH]

Anyways, Space Cruiser can analyze the entire Infinite Multiverse very easily. He has several other devices that are also capable of doing that.

Rick gets drunk, sleeps, forgets about the match, remembers at the last minute, grabs a random device he made 5 years ago, solves Chess and incons this lol.

 

[ShionAH]

Welp, I see nothing that indicates Rick would stillmate, so voting Rimuru. (I am sure Alex would too if he weren't banned)

Anyway, this is starting to feel circular. There's nothing more I can add that would change your mind, even with the evidence already presented. So I'll just cast my vote for Rick (since I've already gave you my two-cents in all this) and let's leave it at that.

Yeah it’s still the same

forgor to mention with all that
i'm adding myself for Rimuru's side

Anyone changing their opinion because of that?

 

[RaspberriesRasputin]

Anyone changing their opinion because of that?

No and isn’t that like a hax? The device thingy?

Cause Rimuru has Ciel which is apart of his soul meaning it might not count as a hax in my opinion who knows.

 

[RaspberriesRasputin]

My Answer is still the same

 

[ShionAH]

No and isn’t that like a hax? The device thingy?

Wtf you mean no? If both can solve chess it’s obviously and incon like any other match

Its allowed he has time and cruiser is his car, nothing optional

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Wtf you mean no? If both can solve chess it’s obviously and incon like any other match

Here is the thing, we don't believe that Rick can solve chess based on his current intelligence description/feats.

 

[RaspberriesRasputin]

Wtf you mean no? If both can solve chess it’s obviously and incon like any other match

Its allowed he has time and cruiser is his car, nothing optional

READING CAPS on plz.

No means in this situation Legit means no that my opinion hasn’t changed

 

[ShionAH]

Here is the thing, we don't believe that Rick can solve chess based on his current intelligence description/feats.

How is analyzing and scouting Infinite amount of Universes not enough?

 

[ShionAH]

No means in this situation Legit means no that my opinion hasn’t changed

Which confused me as the thing I sent is enough to solve chess which should logically make this an incon

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

How is analyzing and scouting Infinite amount of Universes not enough?

Please show where that statement is in the intelligence description, and please tell me how this is related to intelligence that is relevant for chess.

If anything, it would be closer to the "checkers", the same game he lost to "Morty" too.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

How is analyzing and scouting Infinite amount of Universes not enough?

Apparently, it will never be enough. I mean, if “predicting” both probable and improbable scenarios (even ones he hasn't explicitly thought of) is somehow considered “not enough”, then how could that feats be any of different? Chess is treated like a benchmark for “god-tier” intelligence, as if you're considered completely incompetent without having chess feats directly being shown on the camera. Basically, they only accept chess feats related.