Invincible Season 4 General Discussion Thread

[Tapkmiz]

So the general consensus is show> comic scaling at this point?

The ever so fraudulent Omnipotus standing just outside the window

 

[Saqphire]

Thragg beaten up the fraud allegations

He had allegations???

 

[Tapkmiz]

I just wonder if they're going to cut the whole "37 Viltrumites can rip the planet in half" statement from Thragg. With the direction the shows going omitting lines from the comics and Kirkmans visceral hatred of powerscaling in general I say there is a very high chance its absent next episode.

I don't think they will, but I dl think they'll replace it with something less impressive like laying waste. The threat has a clear purpose so I don't think they're gonna omit that line altogether

 

[Damage3245]

He had allegations???

Thragg had some considerable aura debt prior to this episode, but he paid it back with interest.

 

[Tapkmiz]

I think people just forget the seemingly underwhelming villain thing is done like 1:1 to the comic version. It makes him killing Thadeus effortlessly and stomping Nolan and Mark all the more effective.

 

[ReturnofKhadz]

1. Mark saying "We can't!" shouldn't be taken seriously to invalidate the feat. Nolan is not delusional enough to send them to their deaths

I thought Mark shouted that cuz he didn’t want to blow up the planet, not that he was saying this cuz he wasn’t confident he was strong enough to. I’m surprised there’s any other interpretation to this small line

 

[Electronic74947]

......ISL, even the dead bodies survived

 

[Saqphire]

I thought Mark shouted that cuz he didn’t want to blow up the planet, not that he was saying this cuz he wasn’t confident he was strong enough to. I’m surprised there’s any other interpretation to this small line

You’d be surprised lmao I’ve seen people in this thread use it to downplay the feat

 

[Qawsedf234]

......ISL, even the dead bodies survived

Well yeah.

If the Earth blew up now, the average person would only receive 9.7529412e+17 Joules of energy. Forming a ring around the planet you're only talking about 9-B to 8-C levels of energy.

 

[Saqphire]

Well yeah.

If the Earth blew up now, the average person would only receive 9.7529412e+17 Joules of energy.

Source?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Source?

2.487e+32 Joules * (2 m^2 / 5.1e+14 m^2) = 9.7529412e+17 Joules

It's just inverse square law

 

[Saqphire]

2.487e+32 Joules * (2 m^2 / 5.1e+14 m^2) = 9.7529412e+17 Joules

It's just inverse square law

That’s assuming the planet explodes at baseline planetary tho when it’s 99% of the time far higher due to kinetic energy from the mass of the blast

 

[ReturnofKhadz]

AMA with the co-showrunner in a few hours. Drop y’all’s questions now if you want

https://www.reddit.com/r/Invincible/s/n35BC84fez

I already posted a question pertaining to the Viltrum feat and to clarify how much ray and Viltrumites did respectively. You can probably find it quick on the thread rn

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

AMA with the co-showrunner in a few hours. Drop y’all’s questions now if you want

https://www.reddit.com/r/Invincible/s/n35BC84fez

I already posted a question pertaining to the Viltrum feat and to clarify how much ray and Viltrumites did respectively. You can probably find it quick on the thread rn

This is against the rules btw

 

[Electronic74947]

This is against the rules btw

What if i asked why thragg is now the last airbender

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

What if i asked why thragg is now the last airbender

i guess jokes are fine or anything not for scaling

 

[Electronic74947]

i guess jokes are fine or anything not for scaling

It wasn't a joke, it's very important to whether his profile should have air manipulation duh

 

[Tipper17]

This is against the rules btw

Also don't think they'll care that much to answer

Ngl I find Kirkman intent vs portrayal in regards to Viltrumites strength and capability of planet bust be painfully inconsistent show wise

Not to say I don't buy them being planet they are but i feel there's a severe inconsistency in it

 

[ReturnofKhadz]

This is against the rules btw

oh no!!!

 

[Electronic74947]

I saw a couple questions asking about the viltrum bust anyways

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

It wasn't a joke, it's very important to whether his profile should have air manipulation duh

then suffer in hell for all eternity

 

[Saqphire]

This is against the rules btw

Technically it isn't. But whatever statement he responds with cannot be used as evidence for CRTs as that's from a leading question

Never mind me, the way @ReturnofKhadz phrased it wasn't leading

 

[Electronic74947]

then suffer in hell for all eternity

nooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Electronic74947]

Technically it isn't. But whatever statement he responds with cannot be used as evidence for CRTs as that's from a leading question

could just change it to "Why did nolan drag his son into flying into the exploding planet. Does he want revenge on debby for paul? Is he stupid?"

 

[Electronic74947]

Well yeah.

If the Earth blew up now, the average person would only receive 9.7529412e+17 Joules of energy. Forming a ring around the planet you're only talking about 9-B to 8-C levels of energy.

Yeah but we're trying to wank the feat Q, smh take the hint







/j if that wasn't obvious

 

[Saqphire]

could just change it to "Why did nolan drag his son into flying into the exploding planet. Does he want revenge on debby for paul? Is he stupid?"

"Why didn't Debbie join in on the destruction of Viltrum"

Mfw Debbie did more damage on Nolan than Viltrum's durability did

 

[Electronic74947]

"Why didn't Debbie join in on the destruction of Viltrum"

Mfw Debbie did more damage on Nolan than Viltrum's durability did

lol

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Also don't think they'll care that much to answer

Ngl I find Kirkman intent vs portrayal in regards to Viltrumites strength and capability of planet bust be painfully inconsistent show wise

Not to say I don't buy them being planet they are but i feel there's a severe inconsistency in it

Nolan moving a planet but struggling to lift a Viltrumite spaceship with help

 

[Reyne]

I assume good nonleading questions would be-

How did the Viltrumtes move that planet closer to its sun?

What did Mark mean when he said "we can't" before the destruction of Viltrum?

 

[Qawsedf234]

A leading question is saying "How long did it take Omni-Man to move the planet closer to the Sun". You've already suggested that Omni-Man moved the planet; you just want a timeframe. If you're question is open ended and doesn't have a directive built into it, it's fine to ask even if the root cause is power scaling. Well as long as the person is willingly taking in questions and has reason to be authoritative of the work.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

The Viltrumite purge is the shit that had zamasu wanting to kill all mortals

 

[Hellbeast]

Same episode said Mark would die from tunneling through the Earth. Which Mark agreed with

Clearly that’s PIS to ensure the episode happens tho lol. Even a mountain level mark could tunnel out

and why Nolan needed the infinity ray to drill a hole through the planet.

The same infinity Ray that can destroy stars but not solo Viltrum

So her statement isn't that good. Her goal was also to build an army of lava demons to take over the world and not solo it, so overall I don't see that as a Low 5-B statement.

True but the demons who’ve spent ages fighting her and know of her believe she could do this, meaning it’s likely a decent statement for support

So the general consensus is show> comic scaling at this point?

I’d say so

Allen claimed that the Viltrum Empire blew up Unopa back during the season 1 finale so there's a narrative here

I noticed that too, even with how many Viltrunites are there thayd be solid

 

[Telomera]

The same infinity Ray that can destroy stars but not solo Viltrum

I think the simplest, most reasonable and intuitive way to explain the Infinity Ray stuff is that the Infinity Ray overpenetrates planets, and as a result, it doesn't transfer enough of its energy to destroy it. This is like how bullets make small holes in thin pieces of paper despite being able to make bigger holes in thicker targets due to different amounts of kinetic energy being transferred into the target. The Infinity Ray would transfer more kinetic energy into a thicker target like a star than it would into a thinner target like a planet.

And the reason it's able to destroy stars isn't necessary due to raw power but due to an ability to cause a chain reaction.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Clearly that’s PIS to ensure the episode happens tho lol. Even a mountain level mark could tunnel out

I mean its an anti-feat no matter what. The fact Nolan required the laser rather than just ramming through the planet only supports the statement even more.

The same infinity Ray that can destroy stars but not solo Viltrum

Which means that the Infinity Ray effects stars differently than it does a planet. A star is heavier, and the collapse is likely to cause it to go supernova, while Viltrum's solid core was likely just going to reform without further destabilizing the planet.

True but the demons who’ve spent ages fighting her and know of her believe she could do this, meaning it’s likely a decent statement for support

They made a single statement in passing and her plan was to take over the Earth with an army of Magma dudes. If she could do this at any moment, she probably doesn't require an army to accomplish anything.

I don't mind saying that Omni-Man, the disk, and the ram combined support a Tier 5 rating, but the arguments presented above are not strong supporting evidence.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Space Racer forgetting he can double tap the planet. Shameful smh

 

[FusionPrime0]

AMA with the co-showrunner in a few hours. Drop y’all’s questions now if you want

https://www.reddit.com/r/Invincible/s/n35BC84fez

I already posted a question pertaining to the Viltrum feat and to clarify how much ray and Viltrumites did respectively. You can probably find it quick on the thread rn

I asked what would happen if Thragg got hit by a shot from space racer's gun in a pretty open ended way. Also most of the questions are powerscaling related questions so we'll probably get something from the Q and A.

 

[57Dev]

I asked what would happen if Thragg got hit by a shot from space racer's gun in a pretty open ended way. Also most of the questions are powerscaling related questions so we'll probably get something from the Q and A.

He would die.

 

[Hellbeast]

I think the simplest, most reasonable and intuitive way to explain the Infinity Ray stuff is that the Infinity Ray overpenetrates planets, and as a result, it doesn't transfer enough of its energy to destroy it. This is like how bullets make small holes in thin pieces of paper despite being able to make bigger holes in thicker targets due to different amounts of kinetic energy being transferred into the target. The Infinity Ray would transfer more kinetic energy into a thicker target like a star than it would into a thinner target like a planet.

I’m fine with this, seems like a good explanation

I mean it’s an anti-feat no matter what. The fact Nolan required the laser rather than just ramming through the planet only supports the statement even more.

And it’s irrelevant no matter what unless you genuinely believe the setting is below the AP you’d need to tunnel from the crust.

Nolan’s death by hitting the core statement doesn’t even exist in the show so what are we doing here

Which means that the Infinity Ray effects stars differently than it does a planet. A star is heavier, and the collapse is likely to cause it to go supernova, while Viltrum's solid core was likely just going to reform without further destabilizing the planet.

Yeah this was mentioned by another connenter and it makes sense

They made a single statement in passing and her plan was to take over the Earth with an army of Magma dudes. If she could do this at any moment, she probably doesn't require an army to accomplish anything.

I don't mind saying that Omni-Man, the disk, and the ram combined support a Tier 5 rating, but the arguments presented above are not strong supporting evidence.

I mean it’s one argument alongside the ones you yourself mentioned are fine lol, it’s really not a deal breaker for me either way if you consider it or not.

I simply thought it’d be worth noting, not that I’d stake a tiering on it

 

[Qawsedf234]

And it’s irrelevant no matter what unless you genuinely believe the setting is below the AP you’d need to tunnel from the crust.

AP wasn't the issue as stated in the show. It was stamina and length of time. It's a direct anti-feat and backed by Nolan's actions with space racer.

Nolan’s death by hitting the core statement doesn’t even exist in the show so what are we doing here

I never brought up the core statement. You're arguing against a straw man here. The statement is did use was the one made in Hell that Mark never went against.

 

[Tapkmiz]

I think regardless of the tunneling-out-of-hell antifeat it's pretty clear that, at least at their peak, Viltrumites are meant to sit around the general planetary ranges in power per the narrative, given we have several of those feats in this season alone. I believe that's more than enough to justify the antifeat not dragging everyone all the way down to like 8-A