Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 4 is Real

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Regulus power, with someone with a brain would be very broken, unfortunately regulus is a literal man child.

His power is a reflection of himself, his ability stops time, which also is a reflection his mentality which is also stopped in time, he is incapable of maturing and is basically what would happen if you gave a child godlike power.

Also yes episode was good, next week should be the cave scene, should be fun.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Regulus power, with someone with a brain would be very broken, unfortunately regulus is a literal man child.

His power is a reflection of himself, his ability stops time, which also is a reflection his mentality which is also stopped in time, he is incapable of maturing and is basically what would happen if you gave a child godlike power.

Also yes episode was good, next week should be the cave scene, should be fun.

its really fun when its time to mix abilities of different characters and i use his authority on someone with a functioning brain

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Is Sub Rel Subaru being nuked

 

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[Lgamer099_99]

so do you guys don't buy the ram would defeat regulus thing since you all seem to believe vague would lose against him?

 

[VortechsTG]

so do you guys don't buy the ram would defeat regulus thing since you all seem to believe vague would lose against him?

No? =/=

 

[Fezzih_007]

so do you guys don't buy the ram would defeat regulus thing since you all seem to believe vague would lose against him?

No.
Ley statement is him being delusional.

 

[Zabazab]

Ley statement is him being delusional.

I wouldn't be so sure. Lye seems to agree with Rem's memories, and Tappei himself said Ram was stronger than Regulus.

Pure, noble, and perfect. A fully perfected being without any faults.

That was what the memories slumbering inside Lye said. After coming exceedingly close to getting killed without being able to do a thing, he agreed it was a fair evaluation. Lye couldn’t hold a candle to Ram’s true power. If Ram truly got serious, she could probably wring the neck of any Sin Archbishop with ease.

Maybe Regulus could have given her a run for her money with his absolute authority, but… “There’s no way that idiot could kill Sister. Even if she didn’t manage to kill him outright, she would just drop him down the Great Waterfall or something and end it that way.”

Even if Regulus couldn’t be killed, there were plenty of ways to contain him. Just like the Witch of Envy. Even the Three Great Heroes couldn’t kill her, so she was still sealed away in a shrine here.

The current Lye was unbelievably proud of Ram and of how wonderful she was.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Tappei himself said Ram was stronger than Regulus

Stronger than his physical strength or authority?

 

[Zabazab]

Stronger than his physical strength or authority?

Presumably "Who Would Win", since Reinhard can't harm Regulus normally but is stronger because he would win. The old 2014 top 5 was [Reinhard, Ram, Regulus, Sekhmet, and Puck in his true form. These guys are like dangos under Reinhard, but each one can drop the White Whale alone], and didn't include characters yet to appear.

 

[Lgamer099_99]

I wouldn't be so sure. Lye seems to agree with Rem's memories, and Tappei himself said Ram was stronger than Regulus.

yeah that's the thing, I think there is a strong narrative in the author mind that Ram and Vague would just physically "defeat" Regulus by that method.

 

[VortechsTG]

Stronger than his physical strength or authority?

Just overall as a fighter. Ley's logic that she would just chuck him off the great waterfall doesn't really work for me tbh unless she is genuinely just faaaaaar more physically powerful than Reinhard and would throw him furthur faster. It's not like that's the only way she can win though. I mean you have to imagine she'd pretty quickly figure out how Regulus' authority works once she sees clairvoyance doesn't work and given she's far smarter than anyone who has encountered Regulus so far. From that point on its just a matter of figuring out about the wives. But, again, she's hyper-intelligent. She will know how to push Regulus' buttons to make him self-sabotage. Actually, she would naturally push his buttons by her own nature. And if she ever does get hit she has some crazy regen. He basically has to destroy her brain to kill her and prevent a full recovery.

 

[VortechsTG]

yeah that's the thing, I think there is a strong narrative in the author mind that Ram and Vague would just physically "defeat" Regulus by that method.

Why do you keep talking about him like this? Vague is not on her level in any capacity whatsoever aside from having greater regen and accelerated development.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

unless she is genuinely just faaaaaar more physically powerful than Reinhard

That’s enough for me. Ram > Reinhard here we come

 

[Zabazab]

I mean, Reid used the Dragon Sword to kill the previous Oni God. And the first thing Rem thought when she met Reinhard as a child was "So there are others like Nee-sama?"

 

[Fezzih_007]

I wouldn't be so sure. Lye seems to agree with Rem's memories, and Tappei himself said Ram was stronger than Regulus.

I know, I just not really sure If this method that Ley said would really work? Like, unless Ram blitz him hard, and they already next to the great waterfall, Ram attacks should't really faze Regulus.

Or maybe I understimating Regulus incompetence.

Is just Ley is saying this based on Rem memories, the Ram glazer, after getting trounced by her. I have hard time talking this serious. Tapei statement does make more believable tho.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I think Ley was referring to a certain spot of the city states where a certain if story recently took place

 

[Zabazab]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Clind

 

[Fezzih_007]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Clind

Looks very good.

 

[Zabazab]

The reveal about his nature happened in the middle of working on him, so a lot changed.

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Why do you keep talking about him like this? Vague is not on her level in any capacity whatsoever aside from having greater regen and accelerated development.

Because since the very beginning (check my original threads) the strongest of each nation are underrated, they are constantly hyped on the level of reinhard and Reid, was one of the first to suggest un upgrade for Cecilus and I still see him being underrated. Instead of thinking how would Vague win, when with Ram we got a pretty meh but supported victory against regulus according to characters, and when Vague is stated to be way more of a menace to regulus, I just think we are going against statements and narrative and that Tappei would write a PIS way to make him win over the character just like Ram. But that's my opinion, and wanted to see what you guys thought about Rem and then share my view

 

[Zabazab]

when Vague is stated to be way more of a menace to regulus

Subaru also said Shaula was harder than Regulus, while she's around the level of Arakiya or Olbart at most.

Being conservative and using WoG and narration first and foremost, the top 10 is probably something like

1. Sword Saint Reinhard van Astrea
2. Witch of Envy Satella
3. Sword Saint Reid Astrea
4. Oni God Ram
5. Sin Archbishop of Greed Regulus Corneas
6. Witch of Sloth Sekhmet
7. Divine Dragon Volcanica
8. Blue Lightning Cecilus Segmunt
9. Admirer Halibel
10. Mad Prince Vague Adgard (canon)

 

[VortechsTG]

Why are we still rating Volcanica so low now that we know Sekhmet inherently counters him as an authority user? And meanwhile Reid needed the dragon sword to even damage him.

 

[Zabazab]

now that we know Sekhmet inherently counters him as an authority user?

Do we know this?

Reid needed the dragon sword to even damage him.

Is this confirmed?

 

[VortechsTG]

Do we know this?

Yes.

Is this confirmed?

I think I've misinterpreted this somewhat but in any case Reid tried to kill Volcanica and couldn't. I was under the impression this was with the dragon sword but maybe not. If we say it isn't, he managed to leave a scar on Volcanica but couldn't kill him. Even if we were to suppose that Volcanica's offensive capabilities alone are similar to Sekhmet's the fact that he is unkillable for almost anyone is a huge asset. Satella is above Reid for the same reason. Otherwise, he is clearly more powerful than her.

Edit: It does in fact look like the description of the dragon sword in the arc 5 wn mentions it being wielded against Volcanica, but it seems like that was cut in the ln. Perhaps this is a retcon?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Yes.

could you drop the scan?

 

[Zabazab]

Yes.

While I didn't ask for a scan when I asked, I would like one if the answer is in fact "yes".

but in any case Reid tried to kill Volcanica and couldn't.

I don't think Volcanica would be an easy opponent for Reid, I think it'd cost Reid blood and sweat to beat them, but I think framing it as Reid being unable to kill Volcanica would be inaccurate. While Reid frequently attacked Volcanica to try and eat them, we don't know why their clashes never ended in a dead body. It could be a whim, or it could be that Volcanica's meat wasn't worth the insane effort required to kill them, or it could be that Hoshin would get Reid to call off eating their ally.

 

[Zabazab]

Satella or Emilia: Which half-elf should I pretty-up first (both will be done, promise)?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Satella or Emilia: Which half-elf should I pretty-up first (both will be done, promise)?

Garfiel’s keys

 

[Zabazab]

Garfiel’s keys

Check now. Better?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Check now. Better?

Satella

 

[MrTayman616]

Check now. Better?

It should be Arc 5, Arc 8 and Arc 9 (or just something else like "latest" or "current") imo.

Requires a CRT though.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

It should be Arc 5, Arc 8 and Arc 9 (or just something else like "latest" or "current") imo.

Requires a CRT though.

minor changes can be made without CRTs iirc

 

[Zabazab]

Attack Potency: Unknown physically; at least Country level,[Note 2] likely far higher with her powers (The Witch of Envy clashed evenly against Reinhard van Astrea, reaching a stalemate against him in an endless battle[8] where any momentary lapse in concentration would prove fatal for the hero.[38] However, neither could show their true power as the Witch was a half-asleep, incomplete manifestation while the Sword Saint was weakened by injuries and miasma.[8] Even so, both were still so powerful that they could instantly end any fight against any opponent other than eachother,[39] and merely the aftershocks of their battle would certainly destroy the world in seven days.[40] During the Great Calamity, Satella fought against Reid Astrea who had unsheathed the Dragon Sword,[41] the strongest Dragon Volcanica, and the Sage Flugel all at once, and she would have defeated Reid if he had fought her alone[42])

 

[Zabazab]

Witch of Envy sandbox. She's a lot more important, so I figured I'd link it here for suggestions while it's still unfinished.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Witch of Envy sandbox. She's a lot more important, so I figured I'd link it here for suggestions while it's still unfinished.

Way better AP section

 

[MrTayman616]

merely the aftershocks of their battle would certainly destroy the world in seven days.

It's not that their battle will destroy the world in "seven days" but that it'd be wiser to stay away from sand dunes and around it for seven days as the fight could expand beyond the place.

The same thing the scan there says, and the same thing Aldebaran told to the shopkeeper.

Aldebaran's plan would took seven days itself as well, basically making it impossible.

(she would have defeated Reid if he had fought her alone)

Might be better to include it's kinda based on compability rather than being superior in strength.

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Witch of Envy sandbox. She's a lot more important, so I figured I'd link it here for suggestions while it's still unfinished.

I think her Stamina should be infinite, or at least possibly infinite. Limitations of Reinhard doesn't apply to her for the statement after all.

Range: (She summoned Subaru to Lugunica from Japan, a different world)

This text doesn't really say that but just Subaru's "possibly" guess + Satella being the one to summon Subaru is just heavily implied at most, no?

Deconstruction, Absorption, & Fusionism (Matter, Mind, Soul, & Concept; being broken down into concepts)

I'd still argue against "Concept" like in this thread. How it "felt" for Subaru is not reliable for something like this.

Corruption (Type 2), Madness Manipulation (Type 2 — 1 Layer; (Satella, as a Witch, is unaffected her own and her fellow Witches' miasma)

Why is this layered?

 

[Zabazab]

It's not that their battle will destroy the world in "seven days" but that it'd be wiser to stay away from sand dunes and around it for seven days as the fight could expand beyond the place.

Their battle will destroy the world. The scan says that their battle has become a cause of the world's end, and has therefore become something Aldebaran must stop (after dealing with Subaru, who is also a cause). It's the whole reason that there is the seven day time limit, Reinhard VS Satella is the countdown, and there was no time limit before their fight started. This is repeated again here.

I think her Stamina should be infinite, or at least possibly infinite. Limitations of Reinhard doesn't apply to her for the statement after all.

I suppose. I was wary since I can't say she has endless mana or anything.

This text doesn't really say that

Yeah, I saw a while back that the text was talking about Subaru's isekai status, and the "it" does not refer to Satella. The thing the scan should be replaced with is her shadow hand reaching out to Subaru in episode 1.

"Concept"

In due time. The line exists in volume 25 too and got screwed up by yenpress, you see.

Why is this layered?

Subaru can withstand the miasma of six Witches at once, but went insane after approaching Satella's seal.

 

[MrTayman616]

Their battle will destroy the world. The scan says that their battle has become a cause of the world's end, and has therefore become something Aldebaran must stop (after dealing with Subaru, who is also a cause). It's the whole reason that there is the seven day time limit, Reinhard VS Satella is the countdown, and there was no time limit before their fight started. This is repeated again here.

It's not literally seven days. Seven day and seven night just refers to it continuing endlessly, no?

Not to mention, many statements refuse this to be the case anyway.

Subaru can withstand the miasma of six Witches at once, but went insane after approaching Satella's seal.

Satella was also there along with the six witches, so this doesn't make sense.

It seems to be based on the amount of miasma there ig?

In due time. The line exists in volume 25 too and got screwed up by yenpress, you see.

Wasn't it still talking about the feeling of it?

It shouldn't be explained by Subaru but as an absolute fact as Subaru or him narrating it isn't reliable to conclude conceptualization.

 

[Zabazab]

It's not literally seven days. Seven day and seven night just refers to it continuing endlessly, no?

Not to mention, many statements refuse this to be the case anyway.

It is literally seven days. Aldebaran says that since they're evenly matched, Reinhard VS Satella would last forever, continuing for a thousand days and nights. He then says that that's only when speaking of Reinhard and Satella themselves, and that the battle won't get to continue that long since they'll destroy the world in seven days, long before then.

Satella was also there along with the six witches, so this doesn't make sense.

If Satella is aware of the intensity of her miasma then she can avoid killing Subaru with it.